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Gawker: Rob Ford Crack Video Likely “Gone”

Editor writes that he's been told the video allegedly showing Toronto's mayor smoking crack is no longer available.

A screenshot of Gawker's Rob Ford Crackstarter campaign

A screenshot of Gawker‘s Rob Ford Crackstarter campaign.

Gawker editor John Cook—who was the first to publish a story about a cellphone video which apparently shows Toronto mayor Rob Ford smoking out of a crack pipe while making racist and homophobic slurs—is now reporting that the video is no longer available.

Cook first described the video in a post published on May 16; that was followed a few hours later by a report from the Toronto Star, in which two of that paper’s reporters described watching the same video. The video’s owner was demanding a six figure sum (first $100,000, then $200,000) in exchange for the footage, both outlets said—an amount the Star declined to pay and that Gawker couldn’t raise on its own. This was followed, in case you haven’t been following all the twists in this particular bit of insanity, by a crowdfunding campaign to raise the money. Seemingly to their surprise, Gawker actually succeeded in raising $200,000 from the public, and has since been trying to reconnect with the video’s owner, via the intermediary who first got in touch with them.

For a while there was silence. And then last Friday, Cook wrote in a post this evening, he heard from the intermediary, who got in touch to say that he had finally heard from the video’s owner. The update? “It’s gone. Leave me alone.”

Cook is attributing this to two things. One is his sense that the video’s owner did not anticipate the epic controversy that would result when news of the video broke. (Um, really?) The second is anger in the Somali community based in Etobicoke, where the video was reportedly shot, in the wake of the Toronto Star‘s rather notable emphasis on the national origins of the people apparently involved. The combination of those two factors, Cook writes, “led the owner of the video to go to ground and soured the owner’s relationship with the intermediary.” He adds that “I have heard independently from others familiar with the goings-on in Toronto that leaders in its Somali community have determined who the owner is and brought intense pressure to bear on him and his family.”

Cook also points out that saying the video is “gone” leaves things up in the air, as it’s unclear whether that means the video was destroyed, obtained by another purchaser, collected by police, or handed over to somebody else for safekeeping. For his part Michael Cooke, editor of the Toronto Star, told a reporter just yesterday that he believes “the video is slowly making its way to daylight.”

Gawker, writes its editor, is still hoping the video will surface, and is still offering the proceeds of its Crackstarter campaign in exchange for the footage. If that doesn’t happen “soon,” however, the website will instead direct the money to a local non-profit that works on substance abuse issues.

So, essentially: a crowdfunded campaign to buy a video showing Toronto’s mayor allegedly smoking crack from unidentified people who have a lot to risk if they are publicly exposed has hit a roadblock. Shocking, we know.

Comments

  • disqus_yYexgb4OlP

    spell check the second last paragraph. *WEBSITE*

    • TorontoistEditors

      Whoops! Thank you. Better now.

  • Testu

    I love that Gawker, the geniuses that leaked the story in the first place, are calling out The Star over their failure to buy the video.

    Absolutely amazing.

    And cue the inevitable “well, you see, the video never existed, Ford’s meltdown and the mass exodus from his office were just coincidental” posts.

    • ZachSwan

      Nope. The video existed. It was just never intended to be seen up close in the daylight where people would get to see the talented work of someone from Toronto’s film industry.

      • Testu

        So, you also subscribe to the “Ford’s meltdown and the mass exodus from his office were just coincidental” theory then?

        • ZachSwan

          Would you want to work in that kind of environment? Half the city swearing up and down that your boss is a crackhead? Press camped out at your office and jumping in your face every time you leave your cubicle to go to the can? Guilty or not, working for His Worship is no longer a positive on a resume. Why waste time? Move on.

          • Testu

            No, I certainly wouldn’t. Nor would I want to work for someone who repeatedly ignores all advice and instead of putting this thing to rest on day one with a clear, concise, unmistakable denial (true or otherwise) decided to let it fester for a week.

            The reasoning for the time-line of Ford’s reaction has been the subject of much speculation and innuendo as well. Leaks to the press about what happened during that week are certainly interesting.

          • ZachSwan

            Either way, I hope the video shows up soon so a definitive answer can be had and we can all move on.

          • Nick – Toronto

            Why can the video “not showing up” not also be a definitive answer (that the video never existed)?

          • OgtheDim

            Cause people have seen it (one of whom took down Ornge so hardly a liberal patsy), his staff and Ford himself seem to think it exists, it was offered to the Sun, among others, and even so, Ford isn’t answering the darn question.

          • Nick – Toronto

            OgtheDim

            Are you really that moronic? Look at it this way (I will keep it simple for you.)… The Star had a chance to obtain the one piece of evidence that would have put the final nail in Rob Ford’s, whom has been their sworn enemy since the moment he took office, coffin and they didn’t take it???? That alone tells me the video never existed. As for the reporters, they are employees of The Star and thus have to jump when their boos tells them “Fabricate a story to try and discredit Rob Ford again.” Journalism jobs are very hard to come by so you dance to your boss’s tune. How about this, why don’t the 2 Star reports take a lie detector test?

            It’s so obvious the video never existed; only those who are filled with hatred towards Rob Ford would believe the lies The Star and Gawker (nice publicity they got out of this) made up of a video.

          • gnarlk

            dave williams ladies and gentlemen, he has more time on his hands and disqus accounts than all you “lousy pinko morons” can possibly keep up with. too bad he can’t think up new insults or arguments for each character change, but you have to admire the moxy.

          • Nick – Toronto

            Nice comeback and a great way to avoid the logic I laid out for you. I guess you now realize the video never existed.

          • gnarlk

            dave, nick, xxx, marc-whatever your name is please do whatever remains of your sanity a favour and go to bed, shut off your computer and stop caring what other people do or think. you’ve made this whole argument so personal that it’s gone beyond hilarious to just pathetic. i await your next “you’re stupid, how about learning to read? it’s all a vendetta” type retort. you’re a human treadmill.

          • XXX

            And that’s how a leftist thinks ladies and gentlemen, after it becomes clear that they’re cherished beliefs are nothing but indefensible innuendo they seek to shut down debate. Transparency is anathema to the left.

          • gnarlk

            holy shit! i didn’t see that response coming. how do you pull such fresh right wing talking points out of that genius cornhole of yours?

          • OgtheDim

            Transparency would be Rob answering the question.

            “Did you smoke crack while in office?”

            He won’t do that.

          • OgtheDim

            What logic?

            U said that you believe people act one way so therefore the tape does not exist.

            The rest of us pointed out occurrences that indicate the tape does.

            Ur not using logic.

            U are making assumptions.

          • Brock

            It does not appear that a tape existed.

          • torontothegreat

            Logic? LOL

            Wait, I forgot that fallacious logic “is a thing” too.

          • Luckysod

            Sadly, sir, Rob Ford is his own worst enemy in this. He didn’t do or say a thing to assure Torontonians that he’s never smoked crack. Nor has he done a thing to show us that he is an effective mayor with a grasp of the substantive issues facing the city. He just bleats on about taxpayers as if we weren’t also citizens, as if we didn’t know that it is taxes that pay for our civilization. He’s small-minded, lazy, flithy rich, and a proven liar. He’s cunning but not intelligent. Not deserving of your support, if you really think about it.

          • OgtheDim

            So what you are saying is becaue you think the Star would pay any amount of money for something, therefore this thing doesn’t exist.

            And anybody who doesn’t think that is a moron.

            Ur logic is flawed.

            You are assuming people think like you.

            Bad idea.

            Oh, and BTW, other that think it exists.

            The Toronto Sun

            Mark Twohey (Ford’s former chief of staff)

            Ford himself (said so in a meeting)

            The G&M

            Global TV

            CBC

            CITY TV

            So, the whole grand leftie conspiracy thing, its a little whacked.

          • Brock

            The whole thing is just poor reporting.

          • p duern

            Would rather work for Ford than the Toronto Star. I’m no good at making up fairy tales.

          • Bwin

            You just did.

          • Brock

            Touche.

        • lieberal clown

          I subscribe to the theory that anything the Toronto Star and Gawker say is absolutely true regardless of what the actual evidence shows

          • Testu

            That’s probably unwise in cases where evidence exists that directly contradicts a story/allegation.

            This however, is not one of those cases.

          • MxDx

            i dig this shapeshifting idea Dave. you don’t want our enemies to be onto us too much. you truly are wise and worthy to be the bearer of his word….

      • medammit

        LMAO… well put :)

      • Mark

        Which is more likely: Someone orchestrated an elaborate conspiracy to take down a small time politician in Canada. Spending a ton of money to do so. Aided by the press, who put their jobs and reputation on the line making things up?

        Or that Rob Ford just up and smoked some crack?

        I’ll go with number two.

        Occam’s razor, people.

        • ZachSwan

          Are you serious? First, he’s far from a small-time politician – he leads the government entity with
          the 8th largest budget in the country, larger than 4 provinces and all
          the territories. Since day one, His Worship’s opponents have sworn up and down that they would do ‘anything to bring him down.’ They’ve lived up to that with non-stop attacks, unprecedented in the history of Canadian politics. One of the most highly paid lawyer’s in Canada took on a lawsuit PRO BONO initiated by a far left activist who rummaged around to find the smallest technicality that they could attack him on, just to try to bring him down. How much did that cost? There are more than enough rich people and organizations with grudges to fund the faking of a video that only has to fool someone on an iPhone screen in the back seat of a drug dealer’s car. As the centre of the film industry, there is more than enough talent here to execute on such a plot.

          And really, what rational-thinking person could believe that all it took to bring down Rob Ford was a couple of crack dealers with a grudge given the failed efforts of the media and other arguably more successful citizens over the past few years to accomplish the same?

          I find it quite miraculous that despite the lawsuits, reporters skulking around in the Mayor’s backyard, and daily attacks, it would be low-level crack dealers who were able to capture perfectly framed (and in the words of the Star) well-lit cell phone video (no easy feat) of just the mayor during which he attacks all the perfect hot-buttons for his opponents: liberals, minorities, and his beloved football players all in 90 consecutive seconds of footage. Remarkable. If it’s true, those drug dealers should receive the order of Canada for the talents and contribution. What they would have done would be akin to an amateur ball player getting called up to the majors in the final game of the world series and hitting a championship winning grand slam home run in the bottom of the ninth.

          More than a little too perfect to be true.

          • wsam

            Rob Ford looks like an angry manatee

          • tyrannosaurus_rek

            “Since day one, His Worship’s opponents have sworn up and down that they would do ‘anything to bring him down.’”

            Cite your source for that quote.

          • ZachSwan

            It’s not intended as a direct quote. The punctuation was used for emphasis of that part of the message.

          • tyrannosaurus_rek

            Then cite something tangible showing ‘opponents’ have taken such an oath.

          • ZachSwan

            No thanks. I don’t feed trolls.

          • Brock

            Some people are slow. Don’t expect the left ever to understand.

          • Brock

            Only the closed minded think that a video exists.

          • dsmithhfx

            The video that David Price said he knew where it was being kept?

          • Brock

            Speculation, by the left media to keep the story alive.

          • dsmithhfx

            Nope, a direct quote from a source.

          • dsmithhfx
  • Craig Burley

    Let’s all laugh at the Star. They shot too high and missed completely.

    • Brock

      The Star failed again.

      • dsmithhfx

        Failed at what?

        • Brock

          Printing a story with a source.

          • dsmithhfx

            Wrong again, Journalism 101 flunkie.

  • Tired of Crackpots

    Wow, the video disappeared because the Star called Somali drug dealers Somali drug dealers. You couldn’t make this shit up. Or maybe you could.

    • atorontoguy

      ‘Keeping up with the Fords’ was never my favorite show … but it did have some good twists and turns … I’m sure they’re thinking of a sequel.

    • ziggy

      apparently the Star can

  • atorontoguy

    I wonder if Rob is ‘scared straight’ … that could be one positive out of this mess …

    • OgtheDim

      Doubtful.

      Every single example of his life points to a man who indulges to create and show self worth.

    • tyrannosaurus_rek

      If he is, it will be short-lived. Rob is not known for his ability to commit to personal improvement.

    • tyrannosaurus_rek

      If he is, it will be short-lived. Rob is not known for his ability to commit to personal improvement.

  • eternaloptimist1971

    From the moment it was revealed that Mayor #RobFord had blurted out the location of the alleged video, it was only a matter of time before him or one of his flunkies moved in and bought, then destroyed. The Ford Bros are probably telling the truth when they say “there is no video tape”, because there isn’t one any more.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Walter-Lis/571716919 Walter Lis

    Just wondering if the smartphone was “backuped” on someone’s computer or even a “cloud” version on someone’s server.

    • Bwin

      The clip of Ford in the Smartphone video could have been emailed or sent by text to the whole world. I don’t believe that the clip is “gone.” The owner of the phone simply deleted it with out emailing it to himself? Not likely.

  • Anthony

    Toronto Star has the money they are just pathetic! The Star owns Harlequin Romance is a big money maker for The Star. The Star is the biggest newspaper in Canada yet those assholes are so cheap they refuse to purchase the video. I hope someone gets that video out to the public that asshole Rob Ford needs to be exposed for the lying drug addict he is!

    • Testu

      There’s an unwritten rule about the Canadian press not paying for stories, sort of a point of honour for them.

      That said, I’ve seen it suggested that The Star actually did offer $40k for the video, but the offer was rejected.

      • Wuh

        Yeah, it’s called typical Canadian cheapness. It’s what the country is known for, doesn’t need to be written.

        • Testu

          Like I said, a point of honour.

    • Nick – Toronto

      How could The Star purchase something that obviously never existed?

      • dsmithhfx

        Obviously, it did exist. Hopefully, it still does and will eventually find its way out. Information wants to be free.

  • deaconblue59

    I guess we know now why the Ford brothers where so confident that they stated the video didn’t exist. Gawker doesn’t suggest it but someone may have reached out to the drug dealers bosses and the video went away. I think the cops should be investigating links to organized crime.Would anybody be surprised if those who smoke crack with drug dealers know people actively engaged in that business. Add to that the power of an elected official and the potential for influence is huge. I don’t think this goes away

    • dsmithhfx

      “I think the cops should be investigating”

      They’re “investigating” their next pay raise — they’ve earned it!

  • gogu

    Orrrrr how about this one. maybe there was no video. how about that. The gawker guy is 200k richer. Probably laughing his ass off at the losers who donated…by the way the star is by far the worst newspaper in canada..

    • Testu

      That took longer than expected.

      So, you subscribe to the “Ford’s meltdown and the mass exodus from his office were just coincidental” theory then?

      • XXX

        Yeah evidence is only for conservatives we are silly like that.

        • Testu

          You may be very silly, I’m not one to judge.

          So far the only evidence publicly available is the Fords’ reactions to the allegations. I suggest that it speaks for itself.

          Neither innocent nor smart men ignore their staff and let a story like this gain momentum for a week only to make an awkwardly worded semi-denial after the damage is done. The fact that Towhey, Rob Ford’s right hand man called the police over a related matter during that week and was subsequently fired also suggests a grain of truth to the allegations.

          • XXX

            All your words prove nothing. You might as well claim unicorns are real.

          • Testu

            Words will never prove anything, that’s not how words work.

            The Fords’ reactions however are a matter of public record. One day the source of the original story may well be too. Whether it is or not won’t change what the Fords have actually done since this began.

          • XXX

            Oh we are talking about the public record now? Here’s the public record: Defamation suit? Dismissed, COI? Not Guilty, Campaign Audit? Committee will not proceed, Drug Allegations? A bunch of hearsay. Here’s a thought for all you dim witted Lieberal losers, just beat him in an election. Straight up. That’s all. But I know deep down none of you ass hats believe that you can do that, so this is all you have just a bunch of fairy tales you tell each other…

          • Testu

            That turned personal pretty fast.

            You’re absolutely right, each of those items and the cases surrounding them are a matter of public record. For example, he was not found not guilty in his COI case, it was found that while he had violated the rules, council did not have the ability to levy the penalty against him that they had, and so the subsequent case was invalid. His excuse for having clearly violated the rules was that he did not know them, and he had specifically rejected the resources provided to learn them.

            Please, if you’re going to rail on about the public record, get your facts straight before jumping to personal attacks.

          • XXX

            “Please, if you’re going to rail on about the public record, get your facts straight before jumping to personal attacks.” Wow, just… wow. In the context of accusations that our mayor is a drug addict or worse on the word of three “journalists” with no hard evidence you make a statement like that? You have absolutely no sense of irony at all do you? And the fact that judge found that council did not have the ability to levy the penalty against Ford means that there were no rules for him to violate. It is what lawyers call a nullity, so if you are going to post here get your facts straight.

          • Testu

            So, Rob Ford didn’t violate COI regulations by speaking and voting on a matter directly relating to himself? That is some brilliant legal reasoning. However it’s also totally irrelevant to the matter we’ve been discussing.

            I’m also not sure how you’re connecting your personal slurs against people you disagree with in the comments section of a news site, with a story about what two journalists saw and their news organization deemed newsworthy. Read the articles, no one at the Star has alleged that Rob Ford is a drug addict.

            Can you pick an identity on this site, stick with it, and have a discussion in good faith?

          • XXX

            He didn’t violate COI by speaking and voting on having to repay money that he never received in the first place, it’s actually remarkably simple legal reasoning that should have been apparent to every lawyer that participated in the matter beginning with Janet Leiper.

            The grammar is so bad in your second paragraph that I don’t even know what you are taking about.

            I have only posted on the Torontoist under the alias XXX, you seem incapable of grasping the fact the the mayor may have a number of supporters that post here. That affinity for conspiracy theories may explain why you and other regulars here were so easily duped by the unsubstantiated rumors circulated by Gawker and the Star. Sad.

          • Testu

            I apologize for that, something is causing Disqus to display replies as coming from other accounts until I refresh the page. Your latest reply appeared to be from OgTheDim, which I thought was odd.

          • atorontoguy

            Leave unicorns out of it. :-) There is still a lot of stuff to come out. Somewhere down the line Towhey will talk, I’m pretty sure, if he hasn’t already what with all the leaks. Even the Sun reported the leaked stories from the Ford staff. This story is not yet dead … but it seems impossible to predict what will happen next …

          • dsmithhfx

            As we have learned, they don’t build subways…

        • OgtheDim

          Like all that “birther” stuff you mean?

          • XXX

            You do know that Toronto is in Canada right?

        • Zoom Slider

          Guess we should bring back the mandatory long-form census then!

        • Crowie

          “Yeah evidence is NOT for conservatives we are silly like that.”

          Fixed that for you.

    • dsmithhfx

      Except those two Star reporters watched it. Three times. So there’s that.

      • gogu

        Lets be honest, newspapers (specifically the star) which has had vendetta against ford since he was campaigning, could easily lie. And people quitting is because they don’t want to be part of scandal. Which so far has no actual proof.

        • Testu

          Let’s be honest, you have no clue how journalism works or the value of a solid journalistic reputation versus one irrevocably soiled by literally fabricating a story.

          There is absolutely no chance the The Star or the reporters involved would kill their credibility and remove any chance they have at working in the industry again over a “vendetta”. It certainly wouldn’t be profitable to do either, no matter how many papers this story has sold.

          • atorontoguy

            Holyday himself has come out and said he believes Doolittle is telling the truth about the video. This ‘attack the Star’ attitude comes directly from Ford. The Globe and the Post are reporting on the scandals too. The Sun would have reported it too. As their reporter Don Peat said.

          • gogu

            Ahahhh well in this case the star has lost what ever credibility it had left. Since it failed to provide actual proof. I rather read the sun.

          • Testu

            You mean the same Toronto Sun that passed on the video thinking it was a prank but outright stated they would have run with the story had they known?

            http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/toronto-sun-editor-was-given-pitch-for-ford-video-but-declined/article12218301/

            That The Sun?

          • Nick – Toronto

            Testu

            You try to come across as “educated”, but the fact is you are as dumb as the south end of a north bound dog.

            Ever heard of Janet Cooke? She was a journalist for The Washington Post who won a 1981 Pulitzer Prize for “Jimmy’s World,” an article about an eight-year-old heroin addict living in urban Washington, DC. The story proved to be 100% fabrication! You can educate yourself here: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1144&dat=19810415&id=0GgdAAAAIBAJ&sjid=JV0EAAAAIBAJ&pg=1253,6640294

            Reporters lie, misrepresent and take words out of content all the time!!! Instead of coming here spreading your ignorance why don’t you go off somewhere and get educated.

          • Testu

            What is it with the pro-Ford contingent here bringing up education after a couple of rounds of argument? I’ve made no claims about my education, or yours for that matter. If you disagree with me try to do it without jumping straight to insults.

            I’m not claiming that journalistic fraud has never occurred. No one here has claimed that. I’m stating that the record of both The Star and the two reporters involved in the story is so far unblemished. And regardless of whatever “vendetta” you might think they have against the Fords, there is no reason personal, professional or monetary for them to destroy their careers and the reputation (and financial stability) of The Star by fabricating a story which could have been easily denied and actually disproved the day it launched.

          • Nick – Toronto

            Testu

            (a) Janet Cooke had a “unblemished” record until she was caught.

            (b) Gawker, an unknown self-described gossip website got lots of free publicity from this as well as $200K.

            (c) The Toronto Star gained financially from this (though their reputation / credibility took a major hit).

            Education doesn’t always come from sitting in a classroom, there’s something called “street smarts” and using your own head as oppose to simply following the crowd as you are doing. Trying THINKING for yourself and looking at the fact, the major one being there’s no video!!!

          • Testu

            And again with the insults, thanks for the helpful tips about “street smarts” and education. Since we’re two strangers on the internet and have no clue whatsoever about each others personal experiences or knowledge, how about you just drop that particular angle?

            I assure you I am thinking for myself. Just because an opinion appears to be popular (or disagree with yours) doesn’t mean people who have come to it are “following the crowd”.

            If you want to stick with your belief in a massive and seemingly nonsensical media conspiracy against a guy who, while interesting, is not actually all that important, go for it.

          • tyrannosaurus_rek

            “(b) Gawker, an unknown self-described gossip website got lots of free publicity from this as well as $200K.”

            False and false. Gawker is hardly unknown, and from the start the $200,000 fund was pledged to a charity if the video could not be purchased with it.

            “(c) The Toronto Star gained financially from this (though their reputation / credibility took a major hit).”

            The Star gains financially from all newsworthy events, as long as they have coverage in their pages. And they are hardly alone in covering this story.

          • wsam

            It is really disgusting how the media works itself into a
            frenzy just because Rob Ford gets drunk at a Leaf game and then screams at some lady that she should go to Iran and get raped. And then lied about it. Or he has a DUI in Florida. And lied about it. Or got caught with weed. And lied about it. Or he slammed the head of one of the kids on his football team into a
            toilet (why he switched to coaching Don Bosco). And lied about it. Or flipped some lady the finger. And lied about it. Or texts while driving. And lies about it. Is noticeably high at public events. And lies about it. Or that he barely shows up at the office. And lies about it. Or that he smokes crack and hangs
            out with young guys who murder people. And lied about it.

          • Brock

            It is clear the Star has committed Journalistic Fraud in this case. They have no defense.

          • dsmithhfx

            So why doesn’t Rob sue them? Or submit to a drug test? Or even denied he has never smoked crack while mayor?

          • XXX

            “the fact is you are as dumb as the south end of a north bound dog.”

            I don’t even know what this means and it made me laugh out loud… These lemmings would believe that Obama is a good POTUS if the Star told them to. You can’t fix stupid…

          • Testu

            Hey now re: POTUS, didn’t you just post this: “You do know that Toronto is in Canada right?”

            Come on, man.

            Then again apparently I’m as dumb as a dog’s ass, so take that as you will.

          • XXX

            Context: Noun
            The circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.
            The parts of something written or spoken that immediately precede and follow a word or passage and clarify its meaning.

          • Testu

            Thank you Merriam-Webster. Now please explain the context in which “These lemmings would believe that Obama is a good POTUS if the Star told them to.” makes any sense. Even as an attack on people who believe the reporting in The Star it’s no more relevant than the birther comment you replied to.

            I think I’m done with trolling for the night. Thanks for the fun.

          • gnarlk

            why do i picture you hunkered down in your tinfoil enclosed bunker laughing at everything your various personae writes?

          • XXX

            Because you have an overactive imagination, just like a reporter for the Star or Gawker!

          • rich1299

            The fact that you have to go back 32 years to find a case of a journalist fabricating one story speaks volumes. I have no doubt you could prove 32 cases of Rob Ford lying within just one year.

        • rich1299

          There is lots of proof that Rob Ford is a chronic liar, there is absolutely zero proof that the Toronto Star lies in its news articles. The Star has far more credibility than Ford and there are mountains of cold hard evidence to back that claim. How many times now has Rob Ford denied allegations against up to, and in at least one case (his DUI charge which even after being shown the charge sheet from Florida showing the charge was a DUI Rob Ford claimed he was charged with failing to provide a breathalyzer test), even after the cold hard facts that he was lying was presented? Honestly too many times to count though I’m sure someone would be willing to put the time into counting them all.

          Why should a chronic liar like Rob Ford be given the benefit of the doubt? I agree its not enough to convict him of possession of crack in a court of law, though people are convicted on much less all the time it still shouldn’t happen. But it amazes me that anyone could still believe anything Rob Ford says. It was perhaps one thing before he was mayor when a lot of people could claim ignorance since they ignore what actually goes on with various councillors at city hall, RF’s history of being a chronic liar is in the public record from the time he was first elected a city councillor, but these days as mayor his chronic lying has been well documented in all the major media including TV if that is your only source of information so there is no more excuse.

          No one can seriously, or at least not honestly, claim Rob Ford is a more reliable source of truthful information about anything than the Toronto Star. Just like with what Rob Ford says as a politician every news article the Star prints is subject to scrutiny. If they had ever lied in a news article it would be public knowledge just like Rob Ford’s long history of lying is public knowledge. They may get some details wrong from time to time but when informed of such wrong details they do print a correction and besides getting a detail wrong is nowhere even close to lying in a news article. Rob Ford doesn’t just get some details wrong from time to time its unknown if he ever tells the truth.

          • wsam

            Rob Ford looks like an angry manatee

          • dsmithhfx

            An angry, horny, drunk manatee on crack?

        • dsmithhfx

          The people actually quit. What proof do you need of that?

    • atorontoguy

      Weird how people think the reality show that is the Ford legacy is all made up by the media. Conflict of interest, drunk at leafs game, drunk at a bar, grabbing Thomson at a political function, Ainslie wanting him out of another function for drinking, calling out a streetcar driver, using the cellphone while driving and giving someone the finger while driving, reading while driving, his sister’s boyfriend wanting to kill him, his sister’s ex-husband shooting his sister, calling out orientals, calling out gays, calling out cyclists, calling councillors liars, calling Luby a waste of skin, calling Mammoliti a Gino-boy, calling reporters maggots, calling all the Bosco football players losers, Doug being into drugs as a young man… yep, all made up by the media … just a nice clean-cut average Etobicoke family …

      • Testu

        I’m pretty sure at this point most of these people don’t actually care if it’s true or not, the apparent conspiracy is the media having the gall to report on this stuff in the first place.

        Compared to previous mayors, who managed not to have major public scandals surrounding their professional and personal life in the news once a month, it looks like the media are picking on the Fords.

        The fact that it’s because the Fords brazenly ignore all press and communications advice from their staff is largely lost on Ford Nation.

        • atorontoguy

          Agreed. I think a lot of this rage is fuelled by the rise of talk radio in the past few decades. Talk radio or ‘trash talk radio’ like I like to call it, just seems to want to undermine everything. Although, it is hard to look away from this train wreck …

          • Marc

            But he will win again.

          • atorontoguy

            Nah

      • andrew97

        How the fuck did Smitherman lose to this guy?

        • Testu

          He had the eHealth thing clinging to him and he is gay. That basically made Ford the only candidate for a number of people.

          • rich1299

            What always annoyed me about the eHealth “scandal” that was stuck on the Libs was that about 1/2 of the $1 billion figure being tossed around was lost by the Harris/Eve’s PCs who got nothing at all for all the money they spent on it. At least the Libs got it working and its a great benefit to the health of Ontarians and has likely saved my life, or at least avoided a nasty bad reaction to a med, its a long story but I was out cold when brought to the ER but because my medical records were part of eHealth the ER Drs avoided using a common med that would’ve had a bad reaction due to one I was already taking. Plus the money was constantly reported as being lost, it wasn’t lost it was the amount the auditor figured the gov’t paid more than it should’ve for the services received.

            The Harris/Eves PCs wasted $500 million with nothing to show for it and they got off scott free, the Libs wasted $500 million but got a functioning ehealth system out of it but got stuck with all the blame for the money wasted by both the PCs and themselves.

            There is still a lot of bigotry in Toronto as well, even today in 2013 teenagers are still being kicked out their homes in Toronto when their parents find out they’re LGBT. Its off topic but I’ll never understand why the parents of those teens who’ve kicked out of their homes for being LGBT aren’t charged with failing to provide the necessities of life by the police is beyond me. At the very least such parents who renounce their LGBT children should be paying that child’s way in the world regardless including their shelter, food, clothing, and educational costs. As it is too many of these LGBT teens kicked out of their homes have to resort to the sex trade just to survive.

        • Riverman

          I think the good people of Toronto were just tired of the city being run by lefties. A fat buffoon was their only choice.

          • atorontoguy

            I didn’t vote for him. He hadn’t walked into a camera by then … I didn’t know we’d have so much to laugh at … or cringe over … we need a counter fat-buffoon candidate for the next election … mike duffy? … nope … slurpy?

          • Testu

            Hey, how did a reply to one of my comments by you suddenly turn into a reply by “XXX”? Same with a couple by “gogu”? And another of which became “lieberal clown”. I think I saw one turn into “Marc” too.

            Are you guys sharing a computer or something?

        • OgtheDim

          Smitherman provided no vision.

          Ford provided an idea.

          Simple idea beats “trust me” ever time.

          Now, in the next election, it will be “trust me I’m Rob Ford”: vs. either a vision or a simple idea.

          And Rob will be actively ducking debates and the media.

          I’m trying to figure out if he seriously believes he can avoid answering the question about did he use cocaine while in office for the rest of his political life. Is he that naive?

        • Brock

          Smitherman is a known crook and druggie.

          • dsmithhfx

            Don’t go too far off script, kid. You’ll only get into trouble.

          • andrew97

            Said without a trace of irony! Impressive.

        • malna

          Ehealth, basically, but a couple other platform/supporter issues as well. Rob Ford’s presence as the opposition is the only reason someone that messed up a program like Ehealth to the degree it got messed up could ever consider running for a major political position again.

  • Gage

    real talks…

    Ford became aquantices with “questionable” people via eagles.. youth AT RISK in this area (don bosco) are somali and jamaican
    he s gone on record stating some kids would be in jail or even dead if notfor him this is true 100%

    the individuals responsible forthe video wanted to make a quick buck they do not hate ford but did not care either (somalis)

    as far as i know they allowed it to fruition to see how much money they could get. but in the end they realise they had too much on their plate.toronto star has been pushing the idea of crack cocaine yet the video was not purchased by the star and is now unavailable for gawker to purchase. the star did not want to spend money.

    they used the video to their advantage

    • gage

      they saw the content of the tape and fabricated a story that they deemed true.. crack coot. gawker because

      the star had no intenns of purchasing the video, g because they know its no good. not for crack cocain. gawker didnt know when they had enough money the somalis declined because it would expose the truth. instead it is gone meaning no one will see it because it has no value anymore.

  • Gage

    ford has past charge for marijuana his staff bugging him not for cocaine. he doesnt smoke cracckk. the star is trying to sabotage him, ford is not guilty, but is by no means a saint also everyone has a reputation ford and the star cannot do or say everything they want to.

    Legalize it. peace.

    go ford nation!

  • Gage

    also if u even got to see it you would notice its a bubbler and not a crack pipe. i know this is 1 reason why star did not buy gawker had donations not their own money

    • dsmithhfx

      You’ve seen the video?

    • vampchick21

      I’d like to second dsmithfx…..you have seen the video, enough times to see exactly what it is that Ford is smoking from?

      • Gage

        i cannot incriminate ill just say that the video is not new and he got lucky that it was only kids yes the news said men but they only 24 this whole thing was a dumb fiasco and u can ask around if u know who to talk to

        • vampchick21

          Again, so you saw the video?

        • tyrannosaurus_rek

          24 year olds are not kids, they are adults.

        • Zoom Slider

          You’re doing a pretty good job of incriminating… hey, if you know who to talk to, why not have them give statements to the police? Should clear everything right up.

  • Gage

    with video gawker would look like crimesolver or perhaps victims and star would look like a joke and liars this is why they say its gone bcuz too many problems star decided crack more devistating than weed rob already arrest for weed and it did nothing. somalis and star lied, gawker did not know, somalis have change their minds but star is till lying because the video will never be shown. real story

    • tyrannosaurus_rek

      Word salad.

    • bobloblawbloblawblah

      I know! Why not get rid of the spacing between some of the words. That would be fun and make it even harder to read your already hard to read posts!

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    This is why I never trust someone else’s crack dealer.

    • Gage

      yes unconventional but how many city mayors ble to engage with at risk youth? u can argue hes a bad role model maybe, but he was still involved in the community and he really has helped alot. another reason tape is gone is bcuz alot of guilt was thrown at them they messed up

      • OgtheDim

        Engage?

        As more then one person has said, if you’re not a young guy interested in football or dealing crack, he ain’t interested in you.

        He shows ZERO interest in youth beyond that.

        • Gage

          do you know whatat risk youth means? a young person who muststrive harder than others to avoid failure in life. single parent kids who only know sports or drugdealing…cmon man are you stupid or ignorant?

          • vampchick21

            And do you understand what OgtheDim stated? That Ford is only interested in at risk youth who want to play football. Did you ever think that there are an entire group of at risk youth who have zero interest in football or other sports?

          • Zoom Slider

            Specifically at-risk MALE youth who want to play football (and are good at it).

            At-risk girl who likes chess? Maybe next time.

            Plus, Gage, calling them kids “who only know sports or drugdealing”…. that’s YOU being ignorant. Pushing that view of those kids is what got Rob Ford fired as a coach.

          • vampchick21

            Some girls like football…..

          • Zoom Slider

            Of course! But Rob Ford has no use for such kids, is my point.

          • Brock

            Ford was actually using football as a vehicle to steer these kids in the right direction. How many mayors or people for that matter put their money where their mouths are? Obviously you have a personal bias against the man, but do not knock his charitable work. It should be commended.

      • wsam

        He was only involved with Don Bosco because he got kicked out of the other school for slamming one of his player’s heads on the toilet. And he is not interested in helping the kids he coaches he is interested in being a football coach, most likely for the ego pay-off.
        Don Bosco is the only school which will take him. Now they won’t.

  • medammit

    one word INNOCENT, and Toronto should be thankful for Ford really putting it on the map… FORD FOR PRIME MINISTER, move aside harper make way for ford!!!

    • tyrannosaurus_rek

      Thankful that Ford’s given Toronto the reputation of a crack den? It’s going to taken years (and lots of money) to fix the damage he’s done with this scandal.

    • tyrannosaurus_rek

      Thankful that Ford’s given Toronto the reputation of a crack den? It’s going to taken years (and lots of money) to fix the damage he’s done with this scandal.

  • Gage

    moral of story is rob fords unconventional and sometimes unethical tendensious make him a target. he trusts the wrong people, in work and personal life. like everyone he has problems but hes a great man and was a great coach and it hurts to hear half truths. that being said i have no business airing anyones dirty laundry but u have heard council say he has a substance problem. Toronto should decide what is deemed a substance not the stupid star they are liars and yes i believe him when he say they conspire against him to an extent it is very true i smoke marijuana and i dont think it a substance it is not synthetic

    • bobloblawbloblawblah

      Your argument, such that it is, would go a lot further with a healthy dose of punctuation and a bit of spell checking.

  • Gage

    bubber or not hes a good man hes not a crackhead!

  • Gage

    i wish rob ford would be honest and this all go aawy for him he is hiding info from wrong people is reputation is on the line yes but it is better than being a crackhead when he denies everything he makes everyone think it true itnot true!!!

    • OgtheDim

      Punctuation.

      Consider it as a necessity, not just a choice.

      • dsmithhfx

        Probably a fictional persona working out of DW et al’s boiler room. Too many big (albeit frequently misspelled — perhaps intentionally) words.

        • tyrannosaurus_rek

          Exactly my thought. Dave gets banned and Gage shows up.

  • wsam

    I am beginning to feel this whole Rob Ford thing is like Toronto’s version of George W Bush invading Iraq. Right now we are still arguing whether the invasion was a brilliant success and mission truly was accomplished, or if there still remains some mopping up to do. Soon we will move on to arguing whether the Shias and Sunnis are really tearing the country apart in a bloody civil war versus apologists arguing the violence is not really that bad, or not happening, or loudly shouting ‘mission accomplished’ over and over again in an attempt to drown out their blatant idiocy in trusting Rob Ford, I mean George W Bush.
    Meanwhile the truth is obvious for anyone not psychologically vested in the success of Rob W Ford.

  • Marie Schmidt

    I wonder if Ford didn’t pay a hefty sum to obtain and destroy the video himself!

    • dsmithhfx

      Maybe the cops did it for him. Budget time’s a coming up.

      • malna

        When does the police submit their requested budget and when does the city budget committee get back to them?

        I’m assuming of course, this would be the budget for the 2014 year?

  • videowhatvideolol

    De-amalgamation is the only choice at this point considering Rob and Doug Ford’s core support refuses to waver. I don’t want to be associated with these idiots. My Toronto does NOT include these stupid satanic snot sniggy’s.

    • Dave

      Look, there’s still a majority of us in the 416 suburbs – myself included – who don’t support these idiots, either. Don’t throw us all under the bus. I certainly didn’t vote for the Ford sideshow. A strong candidate can easily overpower the stubborn 30-35 percent that calls iteslf Ford Nation. Remember, his base remains strong but he’ll be hard-pressed to gain any new supporters this time around.

  • drunkwithpower

    Looks to me like the cops are involved somehow. None of this is passing the sniff test.

  • Bronson

    Rob Ford can only blame himself for this.
    If he acted like a professional and stopped bulling people and stopped being stubborn and began acting befitting of his position as mayor no one would have any ammo to use on him, I somehow I think Rob likes all this media attention and people fighting back and forth on social media.
    He and his brother have a soap box to stand on with two hour radio show weekly.
    I mean these guys must be in their glory playing the lefty mob is after us and they get to flap their pie holes on a controlled radio show giving them the upper hand by screening out anyone who is going to have a go at them in favor of the bum kissers who will get through to shine them on.
    In the meantime Toronto is a laughing stock all around the world.
    When is the dog&pony show going to end. :(

  • Houdini

    Very convenient that the offending video magically disappeared.

    I honestly think this story could use an alternate perspective. Before we continue demonizing Rob Ford for his rock-puffing ways, perhaps we should take a moment to look at things from the viewpoint of someone close to Mayor Ford:

    http://youtu.be/rOtqSdVL73U

    Pretty convincing, no?

    • malna

      Not gonna lie, that video hit the right spot for whatever reason.