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How Toronto Voted For Mayor

UPDATED

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Which wards voted for which mayoral candidate. Map by Marc Lostracco/Torontoist.


The City of Toronto has released their full, official election results. Despite Rob Ford’s election night assertion that Toronto is united, not divided, the voting statistics suggest a different, and stark, picture: downtown wards overwhelmingly backed George Smitherman, and suburban wards overwhelmingly backed Rob Ford. [UPDATE, OCTOBER 28, 2:00 PM: A map showing how strong each ward's winning candidate's support was is below. 2:15 PM ...as is a version of the map above that's optimized for colourblind readers.]
Here’s the way the vote for mayor went in each of the city’s forty-four wards:


Ward 1, Etobicoke North
Rob Ford: 9,435 (69.1%)
George Smitherman: 2,131 (15.6%)
Joe Pantalone: 742 (5.4%)
Total votes: 13,652
Ward 2, Etobicoke North
Rob Ford: 14,325 (79.6%)
George Smitherman: 2,098 (11.7%)
Joe Pantalone: 864 (4.8%)
Total votes: 17,996
Ward 3, Etobicoke Centre
Rob Ford: 12,913 (65.2%)
George Smitherman: 4,704 (23.7%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,563 (7.9%)
Total votes: 19,812
Ward 4, Etobicoke Centre
Rob Ford: 14,573 (68.1%)
George Smitherman: 4,728 (22.1%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,457 (6.8%)
Total votes: 21,415
Ward 5, Etobicoke-Lakeshore
Rob Ford: 13,789 (56.4%)
George Smitherman: 7,673 (31.4%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,170 (8.9%)
Total votes: 24,452
Ward 6, Etobicoke-Lakeshore
Rob Ford: 11,915 (57.3%)
George Smitherman: 5,894 (28.4%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,110 (10.2%)
Total votes: 20,785
Ward 7, York West
Rob Ford: 7,041 (57.7%)
George Smitherman: 2,233 (18.3%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,640 (13.4%)
Total votes: 12,206
Ward 8, York West
Rob Ford: 5,303 (47.6%)
George Smitherman: 2,509 (22.5%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,439 (12.9%)
Total votes: 11,149
Ward 9, York Centre
Rob Ford: 7,045 (57.1%)
George Smitherman: 2,155 (17.5%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,948 (15.8%)
Total votes: 1,2343
Ward 10, York Centre
Rob Ford: 9,772 (57.7%)
George Smitherman: 4,458 (26.3%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,494 (8.8%)
Total votes: 16,944
Ward 11, York South-Weston
Rob Ford: 9,619 (59.7%)
George Smitherman: 3,511 (21.8%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,920 (11.9%)
Total votes: 16,112
Ward 12, York South-Weston
Rob Ford: 7,536 (55.7%)
George Smitherman: 2,747 (20.3%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,979 (14.6%)
Total votes: 13,538
Ward 13, Parkdale-High Park
Rob Ford: 7,679 (34.7%)
George Smitherman: 10,232 (46.2%)
Joe Pantalone: 3,599 (16.3%)
Total votes: 22,127
Ward 14, Parkdale-High Park
Rob Ford: 4,788 (27.6%)
George Smitherman: 7,949 (45.9%)
Joe Pantalone: 3,882 (22.4%)
Total votes: 17,336
Ward 15, Eglinton-Lawrence
Rob Ford: 8,928 (52.8%)
George Smitherman: 4,282 (25.3%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,388 (14.1%)
Total votes: 16,897
Ward 16, Eglinton-Lawrence
Rob Ford: 8,074 (40.8%)
George Smitherman: 9,505 (50.0%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,772 (8.9%)
Total votes: 19,810
Ward 17, Davenport
Rob Ford: 6,006 (41.7%)
George Smitherman: 4,407 (30.6%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,975 (20.7%)
Total votes: 14,399
Ward 18, Davenport
Rob Ford: 3,973 (27.5%)
George Smitherman: 5,697 (39.5%)
Joe Pantalone: 3,756 (26.0%)
Total votes: 14,422
Ward 19, Trinity-Spadina
Rob Ford: 4,630 (22.2%)
George Smitherman: 9,732 (46.6%)
Joe Pantalone: 5,801 (27.8%)
Total votes: 20,882
Ward 20, Trinity-Spadina
Rob Ford: 5,476 (23.2%)
George Smitherman: 13,151 (55.7%)
Joe Pantalone: 4,129 (17.5%)
Total votes: 23,614
Ward 21, St. Paul’s
Rob Ford: 5,818 (32.2%)
George Smitherman: 8,979 (49.7%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,602 (14.4%)
Total votes: 18,056
Ward 22, St. Paul’s
Rob Ford: 7,903 (32.3%)
George Smitherman: 13,411 (54.8%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,443 (10.0%)
Total votes: 24,454
Ward 23, Willowdale
Rob Ford: 10,959 (49.2%)
George Smitherman: 8,055 (36.2%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,181 (9.8%)
Total votes: 22,264
Ward 24, Willowdale
Rob Ford: 9,670 (52.6%)
George Smitherman: 6,181 (33.6%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,565 (8.5%)
Total votes: 18,391
Ward 25, Don Valley West
Rob Ford: 9,865 (46.4%)
George Smitherman: 9,138 (43.0%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,639 (7.7%)
Total votes: 21,241
Ward 26, Don Valley West
Rob Ford: 8,322 (41.8%)
George Smitherman: 8,272 (41.5%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,647 (8.3%)
Total votes: 19,915
Ward 27, Toronto Centre-Rosedale
Rob Ford: 7,068 (25.1%)
George Smitherman: 17,335 (61.5%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,909 (10.3%)
Total votes: 28,176
Ward 28, Toronto Centre-Rosedale
Rob Ford: 4,937 (23.7%)
George Smitherman: 12,513 (60.1%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,414 (11.6%)
Total votes: 20,819
Ward 29, Toronto-Danforth
Rob Ford: 6,493 (36.3%)
George Smitherman: 7,658 (42.8%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,863 (16.0%)
Total votes: 17,899
Ward 30, Toronto-Danforth
Rob Ford: 5,106 (25.8%)
George Smitherman: 10,492 (53.0%)
Joe Pantalone: 3,341 (16.9%)
Total votes: 19,797
Ward 31, Beaches-East York
Rob Ford: 7,942 (43.7%)
George Smitherman: 6,459 (35.6%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,889 (15.9%)
Total votes: 18,165
Ward 32, Beaches-East York
Rob Ford: 7,639 (32.4%)
George Smitherman: 11,812 (50.1%)
Joe Pantalone: 3,440 (14.6%)
Total votes: 23,576
Ward 33, Don Valley East
Rob Ford: 7,525 (52.3%)
George Smitherman: 4,465 (31.0%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,435 (10.0%)
Total votes: 14,388
Ward 34, Don Valley East
Rob Ford: 8,581 (51.6%)
George Smitherman: 5,403 (32.5%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,669 (10.0%)
Total votes: 16,626
Ward 35, Scarborough Southwest
Rob Ford: 9,390 (55.8%)
George Smitherman: 4,288 (25.5%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,880 (11.2%)
Total votes: 16,835
Ward 36, Scarborough Southwest
Rob Ford: 9,606 (52.8%)
George Smitherman: 5,682 (31.2%)
Joe Pantalone: 2,096 (11.5%)
Total votes: 18,201
Ward 37, Scarborough Centre
Rob Ford: 10,809 (58.3%)
George Smitherman: 4,892 (26.4%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,695 (9.1%)
Total votes: 18,548
Ward 38, Scarborough Centre
Rob Ford: 10,509 (57.4%)
George Smitherman: 5,107 (27.9%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,427 (7.8%)
Total votes: 18,297
Ward 39, Scarborough-Agincourt
Rob Ford: 9,519 (63.7%)
George Smitherman: 3,438 (23.0%)
Joe Pantalone: 853 (5.7%)
Total votes: 14,954
Ward 40, Scarborough-Agincourt
Rob Ford: 10,094 (59.1%)
George Smitherman: 4,208 (24.6%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,410 (8.3%)
Total votes: 17,086
Ward 41, Scarborough-Rouge River
Rob Ford: 11,382 (62.0%)
George Smitherman: 4,638 (25.3%)
Joe Pantalone: 949 (5.2%)
Total votes: 18,363
Ward 42, Scarborough-Rouge River
Rob Ford: 10,071 (49.2%)
George Smitherman: 6,798 (33.2%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,259 (6.1%)
Total votes: 20,474
Ward 43, Scarborough East
Rob Ford: 8,818 (55.7%)
George Smitherman: 4,557 (33.2%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,332 (6.1%)
Total votes: 15,818
Ward 44, Scarborough East
Rob Ford: 12,660 (58.1%)
George Smitherman: 6,262 (28.8%)
Joe Pantalone: 1,916 (8.8%)
Total votes: 21,780

UPDATES

OCTOBER 28, 2:00 PM: And by request, here’s a map showing how heavy the support was for the winning mayoral candidate in each ward. The lighter the shade of a ward, the closer the race was between Rob Ford and George Smitherman:

Election2010results_weighted2.gif
Map by Marc Lostracco/Torontoist.


There are plenty more maps being shared in the comments below—and Patrick Cain has been racing with us to put together some maps of his own, based on the same data.
OCTOBER 28, 2:15 PM: Also by request, a version of our lead ward map made for those who might be colourblind:

Election2010results2.gif
Map by Marc Lostracco/Torontoist.


Additional number-crunching by Michael Chrisman, Emily Shepard, and Harry Choi.
ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED OCTOBER 28 AT 12:22 PM.

Comments

  • mikeyteeth

    The pink part is where the subway is.

  • http://undefined JBeebe

    Thanks for the compelling graphic and raw data.
    I think the map actually understates the level of division in the city. From a high of 80% in ward 2 to a low of 22% in ward 19, Ford’s support is highly correlated to geography.
    Would it be possible to colour code the map from dark blue to dark purple depending on the level of support in each ward. This would be an exceptionally compelling visual.
    thanks

  • http://www.jillmurray.com Jill Murray

    Here’s to you, 1998 amalgamation!

  • Dry Brain

    As the tweeting masses are pointing out, this looks almost exactly like an overlay map of the pre- and post-amalgamation city.
    Even more amazing, the gap in most wards between Smitherman and Ford was huge. The only exceptions are wards 25 and 26, where the race was tighter.
    I’d say this is illustrated proof that amalgamation is still a massive fuck-up. Old Toronto and suburban Toronto, value judgements aside, simply want different things. We should be separately-governed municipalities joined by a strong regional coalition.

  • mark.

    WOW! I honestly thought/hoped it wasn’t such a city-suburb split but it truly is. Except for a few exceptions, there weren’t many wards where Ford or Smitherman wasn’t the clear winner. Whoever said geography was dead…!?

  • http://undefined linnyqat

    HA! Nice.

  • Moonmoth

    Agreed. And David Miller paid the price for Harris’s decimation of the GTA & environs. Everyone seems to have a very short memory.

  • http://undefined JC

    That would be great, but I think the fact is that much of suburban Toronto were paying for developments downtown.
    They didn’t see developments, they saw “wasteful spending”. At a time like this, the best thing to do would be to progressively develop out to the suburbs (with, say, Transit City?), so that they wouldn’t mind paying the “$60 Vehicle Registration Tax and Land Transfer Tax”. Now only if it were as easily done as said.

  • http://undefined Ben

    And a superciliously compelling visual would show a weighted breakdown of votes, but broken down at the polling station level, rather than the ward level.

  • http://undefined deadrobot

    Wow, the entire cIty voted Ford?
    #redgreencoloublind

  • http://undefined smasharts

    And interestingly, but not surprising, is that RF came in 3rd in Ward 19 – Trinity-Spadina, and neck and neck with Joey Pants in Ward 18 Davenport.

  • http://undefined tweed

    i’m not sure if this is what you meant, but the land transfer tax is WAY more than $60. a $250k property (*good luck finding THAT!) = $4450 in land transfer tax.

  • http://undefined tweed

    sorry, the TO land transfer would be half of that, $2225

  • http://undefined uskyscraper

    Surprised that Don Valley West went for Ford. I guess the “Don Valley” part (east of Bayview) outvoted the “West” part (Lawrence Park).

  • CanadianSkeezix

    I’m a downtowner, and I don’t have a lot of patience for this blaming of amalgamation. It reeks of American-style demands by wealthy enclaves to be freed from larger municipalities. One’s city is one’s city and building artificial municipal boundaries isn’t the solution to democratic decisions one doesn’t like. Besides, before amalgamation, Metro Toronto was responsible for all the big ticket municipal issues; even if amalgamation had never happened, a Rob Ford at the head of Metro could still eliminate streetcars, Jarvis Street bike lanes, etc.
    Having said that, the map shows a clear suburban/downtown divide (although the Lastman/Hall and Miller/Tory elections are often remembered as giving rise to similar suburban/downtown divides, they weren’t as pronounced as in 2010.

  • http://undefined JC

    Sorry, there should’ve been either a comma in between the two taxes or a “the” in front of the Land Transfer Tax. I was trying to echo Ford’s recent interview where he keeps repeating “the $60 Vehicle Registration Tax and the Land Transfer Tax” as if the two things always go together.
    However, my initial point was that the city probably gets a big chunk of their funds from the suburbs and puts much of it downtown for development, so if the suburbs were separated again, TO’s development would slow down. That same huge chunk decided to vote for Rob Ford last Monday.
    I think it’s only logical and natural for a city to grow from downtown outwards, but the suburbs grew impatient.

  • http://undefined Dry Brain

    A municipal boundary is by its very nature artficial. Why don’t we just call all of the GTA “Toronto”? Or all of the golden horseshoe?
    Downtown isn’t a wealthy enclave either, there are plenty of parts of old Toronto that are decidedly down-at-heels, and plenty of suburban areas quite well-off. Municipal governments work best when their mandate is smaller.
    And a Rob Ford as head of Metro couldn’t eliminate streetcars, especially given that Rob Ford as mayor of Toronto probably won’t be able to. You also refer to Jarvis Street bike lanes as a “Big ticket” municipal issue. Not really. That’s a very, very local issue.

  • http://undefined Geoff

    This is a significantly different picture than the Lastman/Hall race in 1997.
    Wikipedia only has the breakdown by ward, but I remember a graphic (from the Star?) which had the winner by polling station. There was a rough east-west line through the whole municipality; everyone north of it voted Lastman, everyone south of it voted Hall.
    So I don’t think the results can be fully explained as some cultural difference between downtown and the suburbs.

  • http://undefined mark.
  • http://undefined dowlingm

    Where are the spoiled/refused vote tallies on the city’s offical declaration?

  • http://undefined tweed

    yeah, i totally agree.

  • http://undefined mendel

    I did up an overlay of the pre-amalgamation Toronto: http://twitpic.com/31momc

  • http://undefined Corey

    this map is really difficult to view if you’re colour blind. just sayin’.

  • http://undefined dowlingm

    Ward 29
    Total poll Fragedakis 7930 Pitfield 4966
    Poll 1 – Governor’s Bridge Fragedakis 9 Pitfield 130
    Guess no Dippers allowed across the DVP?

  • http://undefined The Junkyard Triangle

    I can understand neglected Ward 17 wanting a change from City Hall and voting for Ford, but the voters also re-elected deadwood Cesar Palacio. Looks like another four years of sinkholes and closed pools for Davenport.

  • http://undefined spacejack

    I don’t think it’s all that useful to blame amalgamation. The city’s been amalgamated for a lot longer than its brief de-amalgamated existence. North York was the first, around 1980, the other boroughs became cities one by one years later… not sure how long it was fully de-amalgamated for, but not very long at all. To anyone who’s lived here through all of this, the idea that amalgamation was a near-apocalyptic event sounds completely insane.
    IMHO two things won this for Ford:
    a) No competition. I think Pantalone was the smartest, most pragmatic and likely the best candidate. But this is not, nor has it ever been a very leftist city. I’ve been derided by Montrealers, Vancouverites, East-coasters and even foreigners all my life for coming from the “conservative, puritan, business capital of Canada where the bars close early”. A few years of centre-left mayor Miller doesn’t change this. We are not Montreal.
    b) The media and the general use of gutter language to “critique” Ford. Pantalone was exactly right when he said Ford was a creation of the Star. The “fat, white, racist wife-beater” line used continually as the main case against Ford for Smitherman backfired completely. When you use “criticisms” like this, it says “I’ve got nothing else.” (More eloquently explained here.)

  • http://undefined roolb

    Interesting. Ford is third in Ward 19 (someday they gotta get around to giving these wards different names, rather than just using the name one twice). But it must be noted that he got 22.2% to the vote there, and low as that sounds, Smitherman got even less in seven western wards. Ford not getting creamed quite as badly downtown as Smitherman did in Etobicoke helps explain his win.

  • http://undefined smasharts

    Hey! That’s the other Davenport you’re talkin’ bout! Don’t get ‘em mixed up! Ward 18 can still hold their chins high-ish.

  • Robin Rix (Guest Contributor)

    Actually, I’m surprised that Smitherman did so well. Ward 25 was prime Lastman territory, Tory took it almost 2:1, and even Pitfield eked out a win.
    I’m equally surprised that Ford did so well in Ward 26, the other half of DVW. Federally and provincially, this is Liberal heartland.

  • http://undefined Jon_Ore

    With respect, what does it really mean to say that “the suburbs” got impatient? (Meaning to say people who live in the suburbs; commenters frequently forget that we’re talking about real people here and not vague geographical demographic figures.) I think it’s a fair criticism if people who live outside the downtown core have to pay thousands of dollars a month in taxes for projects that have little to no impact on them.
    That’s not to say that there isn’t a measure of citizens’ duty to the city, but for the many people who live with families in the suburbs, and who may work in Missisauga or further outside, they may have other concerns with a more direct impact on their lives.
    The original comment about different wants between the suburbs and the downtown core is accurate. But I’d add that more than the two parts of the city wanting different things, often they are simply *affected* by different things. Seeing one group’s set of concerns taking precedence of their own is never pleasant – some compromises must be made, regardless of who initiates it.

  • http://undefined Marc Lostracco

    I’m fixing this. Thanks for pointing it out.

  • Robin Rix (Guest Contributor)

    While the political junkie side of me loves poll-by-poll results, the other (better?) side of me worries that they come dangerously close to undermining the secret ballot.
    I suppose that counting all advance polls together mitigates the concern somewhat, but still.

  • http://undefined CanadianSkeezix

    Your assertion that municipal governments work better when their mandate is smaller is an opinion and a theory. I believe (also an opinion and a theory) that it is far more complicated than that. As for enclaves, I didn’t say downtown was a wealthy enclave. I said whining about amalgmation reminded me of one of the worst aspects of American municipal politics.
    As for Metro, the TTC was fully within the jurisdiction of Metro. And Jarvis Street, as with all arterials, was a Metro road. The old City of Toronto couldn’t even enact parking regulations on Metro roads.

  • http://undefined dylansmith

    Here is the above map overlayed with a map of the city’s subway lines. This speaks volumes.
    http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3391/mayoralelectionbywardsu.jpg

  • http://undefined CanadianSkeezix

    No Greeks either.

  • http://undefined Robin Rix (Guest Contributor)

    sorry, that last sentence should read:
    I suppose that counting all advance votes together as one poll mitigates the concern somewhat, but still

  • http://undefined CanadianSkeezix

    Seriously, though, while there likely are socio-economic reasons for the difference in the results between Governor’s Bridge and the rest of Ward 29, the fact that Governor’s Bridge is next to Pitfield’s Leaside stomping grounds (Leaside not being in Ward 29) may also explain the difference.

  • http://undefined rek

    How sad. Ford told them not to think of downtown as part of their city, but as some sort of Other, and they listened.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    My ward (24) got a lot more Smitherman/Pantalone support than I would have imagined.
    I do find the subway overlay map from dylansmith very interesting, to say the least.

  • http://undefined rek

    Considering how voter turnout grew, I would love to see a map of voter turnout by ward if such data exists. Did the threat of a Ford mayorship bring out record numbers of Smithermaniacs, or did the Fordites come out in droves to spite the Downtown Elitists? (Or both?)

  • http://undefined JC

    I think you hit the nail on the head. I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to blame anyone or anything. But it seems I did forget that these are real people living there.
    What I meant to say was that the needs of those that don’t live downtown weren’t being focused on, for too long. And maybe Ford seemed to be the only one who really cared.
    I hope Ford can find a compromise between short-term fixes and long-term developments. It’s unfair for half of Toronto to have to pay for projects that have no impact on them, but stopping development entirely (or attempting to put money toward projects without widespread impact, like a subway to Scarborough TC, for example) doesn’t sound like a wise plan to me.

  • http://www.torontoist.com David Topping
  • http://undefined The Junkyard Triangle

    I really like that, “The Other Davenport”. It’s a lot easier to explain than “I live between The Junction and The Junction Triangle”.

  • http://undefined deadrobot

    You’d never get this kind of service at NOW!
    Thanks!

  • http://undefined JC
  • http://undefined Darryl

    That assertion is no theory. It’s inherent in the idea of democracy. That’s why there hasn’t been a lasting “true” democracy since ancient Greece.
    Think about it. Ask any political scientist or look it up yourself. Calling it a theory is like saying they haven’t proven gravity works.
    The proof is all around us.

  • http://undefined joeclark

    Even strong protans won’t be seeing a lighter blue. It surprises me anyone had trouble with the map. In the future, just use the Brewer palette.

  • tapesonthefloor

    Shit, I don’t see any colour at all on that page.

  • http://undefined Jenelle DaSilva-Rupchand

    I live in a suburban area. I spend more or less half my time here and half downtown, and I can understand the different viewpoints. From what I gather, people here do feel shafted when it comes to more noticable improvements and developments.
    They again and again see the City “stealing” their hard-earned money and not seeing the return expected from the amount of taxes they pay. Do these wards get street festivals the way core neighbourhoods do? Does Jane and Finch get a beautiful square or parkette like those granted to downtown? Does a suburban ward get buses than run more often than once every half hour? You can’t expect suburbanites to care about what downtowners care about when they aren’t even given what downtowners get in the first place.
    Regarding the comments about the wards that voted for Smitherman being along the subway line: I wonder if there were a few subway lines running in the northwest quadrant of Toronto, a big chunk of the city lacking in rapid transit, less people in the nearby wards would have voted for Ford.
    I’m not saying everyone in the suburbs are suddenly going to care about bicycle lanes just because they are installed on every street. But there is little there to encourage caring about progressive city issues in the first place.

  • http://undefined MER1978

    Where’s the Transit City / Mayoral Results overlay map?
    I think it’s interesting all these comments about people living in the burbs paying for downtown improvements… aren’t almost ALL of the new Transit City lines in the burbs?

  • http://undefined substatica

    Interactive Map of the results courtesy of Toronto based ComponentArt,
    http://dv.componentart.com/toronto2010/

  • http://www.newmindspace.com Kevin Bracken

    Had to add a little dick humour in here:
    http://newmindspace.com/images/gettingfucked.gif

  • thelemur
  • http://undefined scrivie

    The “other Davenport” (aka Ward 18) still voted for Palacio-endorsed Bailao though.

  • http://undefined CanadianSkeezix

    Platitudes like “it’s all around us” don’t really prove anything. And the suggestion that the last real democracy was ancient Greece is an interesting … theory.

  • http://undefined CanadianSkeezix

    Platitudes like “it’s all around us” don’t really prove anything. And the suggestion that the last real democracy was in Ancient Greece is an interesting … theory.

  • http://undefined CanadianSkeezix

    Sorry, it kept eating my response, so I inadvertently double-posted.

  • http://undefined Marc Lostracco

    Thanks, Joe. I have a menubar app that I use called Colour Oracle…but I have to remember to get in the habit of always checking.

  • http://undefined uskyscraper

    Yes, but the die-hard Tory fans, like my parents, were easily convinced to vote Smitherman in the interest of, when all else fails, voting for the smartest guy in the room. Their small-c conservative interests were outweighed by their concern about Ford’s policies or lack thereof.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    Amazing! Thank you.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    Very good perspective. I’m new to the “suburbs” of Toronto, but in my short time there (1 year) I can agree with most of what you’re saying.

  • rek

    What the hell is “Silverlight”?

  • http://undefined smasharts

    Damn! I was hoping no one would notice. Nonetheless, Bailao isn’t a RF’er as far as I can tell.

  • http://undefined The Junkyard Triangle

    That’s great.

  • Mr. Palmer

    What the maps don’t show, but the numbers do is that, sadly, even where there was lots of smitherman support, there was also lots of ford support. He scored at least 6,000 in every ward except one, most were 8-13,000. That’s pathetic. While I understand that means many people see the need for change, it bothers me that they think ford will deliver it and they excuse his horrid faults, even pretend they don’t exist. What are they (ford supporters) clinging to? How could someone lie to themself like this, how do you convince yourself that this guy will bring about the change you desire? At every turn he’s shown that he’s dishonest, bigoted, can’t control his temper and has no idea how to lead this city, but he utters the word “change” and all that shit goes out the window, all of a sudden he’s your man? I don’t understand how that thought process goes. Not that there’s any comparison between the two, but Stalin also said he’d change things and he did, but not for the better. That’s an extreme example, but there are parallels, ie, the change the both of them speak of is not change anyone in their right mind could want.

  • http://undefined substatica

    Silverlight is akin to Adobe/Macromedia Flash.

  • http://undefined The Junkyard Triangle

    Plus she was the protege of that other waster, Mario Silva.

  • http://undefined deadrobot

    On my iPad, I can’t see the difference. On my PC monitor, I can *just* barely tell the difference. I suspect it’s a brightness setting thing too.

  • http://undefined linnyqat

    Trés Perez!

  • http://undefined MCPH

    Here’s the LOLmap version of that map. Apologies to Marc Lostracco.
    http://twitpic.com/31na7p

  • http://undefined CanadianSkeezix

    Looking at the poll-by-poll results in my ward (Ward 29), it also appears that there may be a split between the more ethnically diverse parts of the ward (where Ford support was stronger), and the gentrified (largely white) portions (where Smitherman support was stronger). I think it’s way too superficial to chalk this up simply to a dichotomy between downtown and suburban voters.

  • http://undefined EY Paul

    Ward 31 is another surprise, given the ease that Janet David was returned. From looking at the polling stations though, the closer to the corner of Coxwell and Danforth, the more likely to vote for Smitherman. Cross the O’Connor bridge into Parkview Hills and beyond, and it’s Ford all the way.

  • http://undefined Majken

    It looks to me like a vote for or against the TTC. The areas that voted Smitherman are well served. The areas that voted Ford are not.
    Yes, along the Sheppard line and part of Yonge voters went Ford, but I thought about it, too. The subway needs to be extended to Downsview, and people are fed up with commuting on the overcrowded Yonge line.

  • http://undefined BRIBOK

    Ward 6 is incorrect. It has the wrong results.

  • http://piorkowski.ca/ qviri

    You could just as easily — and pointlessly — chalk it up to density.

  • http://www.torontoist.com David Topping

    I just checked the City’s official ninety-nine page PDF, and as far as I can tell, the numbers currently in the piece are correct. Is there some other primary document I didn’t know about that refutes the City’s own?

  • http://undefined CanadianSkeezix

    Not necessarily. Some of the highest density areas in my end of the city (Thorncliffe Park and the Cosburn Corridor) went for Ford.
    But you are correct that there are no simple cleavages.

  • http://undefined Lila

    I think an overlay between this map
    http://torontoist.com/2010/08/researchers_map_a_divided_toronto.php
    and the voter split would be interesting. It’s clear just from looking at the subway map that the overlays are astounding.

  • rek

    Evidently they’d rather drive everywhere.

  • http://undefined Fragile Voice

    I don’t know about you, if you look at the graphics close enough. It looks like central Toronto and Smitherman flipping the middle finger to the rest of the almagamated city. The downtown area still got to have the last laugh at least.

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  • http://undefined rich1299

    Contrary to perception, on a per capita basis parks and recreation spending very near equal between the suburbs and the old city of Toronto. I forget where the article is I read this in but it was based figures during the past few years, the old city of Toronto actually got slightly less spent on it than the suburbs but it wasn’t much of a difference. We get the same sort of everyday services where ever in the city we live, in fact didn’t garbage collection or snow clearing or something like that actually increase in some of the suburbs after amalgamation?
    The only thing as someone living in the suburbs that pissed me off was listening to many downtowners advocate for zone fares on the TTC. They get all the great transit infrastructure downtown while we get crap out here, I get that it has to do with density to a degree but streetcars could be installed on Islington and Kipling south of Bloor easily if the will was there, and we have to spend much longer on the TTC getting where we’re going and now you expect us to pay more for the privellege of having crappy transit? I don’t think so, at least not until we get the same sort of transit infrastructure downtown has, and we’ll come close if Transit City is ever completed in its entirety, all 8 lines, not just the 4 underway.
    Anyways I was surprised at the voting in my ward, I thought it’d be very close and that Smitherman might take it but Ford got more than double the votes Smitherman did in ward 6. To me at least I see the issues of my ward having more in common with the sorts of issues in downtown wards, transit and bike lanes being two biggies plus my ward would’ve benefited from Smitherman’s plan to extend the Bloor line to Sherway mall.

  • http://undefined rich1299

    Btw I loved all the maps, very interesting and they show that this city is very much divided.

  • http://undefined Arthur

    From my own experience there is a bit of a cultural war happening in the NW part of the city, lots of elderly WASPs vs. newly arrived South Asians / Afgan. The high voter turnout for Ford in the NW could reflect that trend.
    Most new immigrants do not settle in the downtown core, it’s too expensive, most settle at the ends of the transits lines where rent is cheaper or in Mississauga / Brampton.
    The transit fight could be a reflection that elder people in the NW see improvement in transit as bringing in more new immigrants.

  • http://www.michaeljeremybrown.ca/ Michael Brown

    Ford has hardly ever dipped into his $50k office budget and after 10 years as a councillor that is close to 1/2 million bucks. Doug Ford is going to donate his $100k salary to charity, so by the time 2014 election rolls around the Ford family will have single handedly saved the city very close to 1 million dollars (even if RF takes his Mayor’s salary and spends all his office budget over the next 4 years)…How easy it will be for Doug Ford to bombast the lefties on council who oppose halving the number of councillors…”if I can donate my time to serve my city, surely you socialists can take on a full day’s work to help balance the books”

  • http://undefined MER1978

    I have trouble understanding how throwing all of it on his VISA somehow makes the purchases themselves smart spending.

  • http://undefined demo

    I would like to suggest that the split was not along suburban/urban lines, but by property owners versus renters. Renters are less concerned about property taxes but more interested in the value of municipal services that they receive. On the other hand property owners pay taxes and are more concerned about the value of services that they receive in return for what they pay. People living in The Kingsway or Bayview Village are just as urbane and sophisticated as someone living on Queen west. It has little to do with suburban versus elite. The difference is that property owners are on the nut for $6000 to $12000 per year (depending on the value of their homes). David Miller spent years as an activist spender and tax payers were getting sick of seeing their cash being spent on things that benefited few or were of perceived limited value. The strike last year may have been the trigger/last straw. Ford/Smitherman are both flawed but Ford represents the antithesis of Miller to taxpayers. Smitherman took too long to seperate himself from Miller…and when he did it came off as insincere. IMHO

  • http://undefined linnyqat

    As someone pointed out elsewhere, the city would save money if Doug Ford refused his salary, rather than donating it for a big fat tax receipt and the good-guy optics that accompany his magnanimous gesture. It’s great to support charity and everyone should donate and/or volunteer to be sure. But this is also a transparent and self-serving attempt to manipulate the admittedly easily-manipulated “Ford Nation”.

  • http://undefined linnyqat

    I’m sure there are a lot more renters in downtown than in the suburbs, but those who do own pay a LOT more in taxes than their suburban neighbours. That’s why people move to the suburbs, right?! Because it’s too damn expensive to live in the city, unless you want to buy a postage stamp condo like mine (410 square feet). There are a lot of condo owners living downtown who are paying property taxes, and the people who own homes are paying two or three times* the property taxes of people in the suburbs for the same amount of space, so I don’t know if I buy this theory.
    * This figure pulled randomly right out of my late-night ass.

  • http://undefined MER1978

    Renters might not pay property tax directly… but unless landlords out there aren’t making any money at all from the rent paid by tenants… uhhh they are paying it.

  • http://undefined Michael

    I see and appreciate both points of view. I live in the “burbs” and travel downtown once or twice a week for business meetings. While my taxes are relatively high compared to the services that I receive in my neighbourhood, I directly benefit from a strong and vibrant downtown core. Without that core I would not have the career opportunities and potential that I now enjoy. I love living out here with lots of green space and quiet streets but close enough to the core to benefit from the myriad of shopping, entertainment and cultural opportunities there. I have the best of both worlds and I’m willing to pay for that. For those of you that are not, it is a big country and a free country; you can move to wherever it makes you happy.

  • http://undefined JBeebe

    First, props to Torontoist and everyone commenting! The graphic and discussion are far more sophisticated and thoughtful than what appears in The Star today.
    Second, I think the question of what is the cause of the political rift is worth exploring more deeply. Maybe a guest column by someone thoughtful and than discussion.
    Personally,I think it must go beyond the “issues” to include “cultural” factors. But that is a hypothesis that needs testing against data. There is tons of data out there on ethnicity, income, age, etc. that would be worth exploring. I don’t know if it is possible to find other “softer” data on attitudes towards government, economics, tolerance, etc.
    Thanks for getting the discussion going. The more data we have the more effective we can be in building support for a stronger city.
    Cheers

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    I can’t speak for all suburbs, but as someone who recently moved to the Bayview/Steeles area, I can tell you that my property taxes and price of house was/is more then my previous place in Leslieville. It all seemed very relative (to me anyhow, but I’m not an expert in real estate).

  • http://undefined linnyqat

    Oh. Well, another outta-the-ass theory bites the dust.
    (Seriously, though, I always thought lower cost of homes was one of the major reasons people moved to the burbs.)

  • http://piorkowski.ca/ qviri

    “But I thought about it, too”! On the ward-level maps, the higher density areas wash out with the rest of the ward.
    (I’m not actually advocating this seriously.)

  • http://piorkowski.ca/ qviri

    Which would be fine if they didn’t also want and/or need to drive into downtown.
    Perhaps a fence is a bit extreme, but it’s a bit of a shame we can’t do pre-amalgation-city- or ward-level traffic and road management.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    Don’t get me wrong, it could very well be in other areas, I’m only speaking for Ward 24. Now that I think about it, the median income in my ward is one of the highest in Toronto. Your theory could still totally hold water, but we need a real estate professional to give an opinion first I think.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    Many people saw the same horrid faults in Smitherman too. Not unwarranted either.

  • http://www.torontoist.com David Topping

    Patrick Cain’s done another breakdown of Ford’s support—this time, poll-by-poll.
    Worst polls in the whole city: the Village’s, the Islands’, and U of T’s.

  • http://undefined EricSmith

    I see that the CAMH’s Queen St. Mental Health Centre voted more strongly for Ford than the surrounding area did. I can’t think of anything to say about that.

    It’s not a health-care correlation, as far as I can see, because the nearby St. Joseph’s Health Centre doesn’t seem to have budged the Ford numbers in its polling area. A retirement residence next door to it was solidly Ford, though. Old people for Ford? Not all of them: a centre for geriatric care in darkest northern Scarborough is an island of love for Smitherman.

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  • http://undefined BRIBOK

    ‘Girthers’ say Rob Ford not eligible to be Mayor of Toronto: http://onionto.wordpress.com/

  • http://undefined rapi

    would be interesting to see the results without all the etobicoke wards….

  • Nick

    Oddly enough, the wards that voted for Ford are the ones that he tried to get rid of city-provided sidewalk snowplowing for.

  • http://undefined EricSmith

    Snow plowing? What voter’s going to want to think about that? The election was held in the fall, not in the winter, silly.

  • http://undefined EricSmith

    Snow plowing? What voter’s going to want to think about that? The election was held in the fall, not in the winter, silly.

  • http://undefined rek

    You can’t drive on sidewalks, so is it that odd?

  • hohoholdthepayments, mel

    Is there a concentration of low IQ, bigoted people living in the suburbs?:-D

    • saywhat?

      Yes, or course. Suburb means brainless in latin

    • hansmoleman

      is there a concentration of cock loving, tree hugging jobless bums who feel they have a right to other people’s money downtown?

  • Brent Gulanowski

    Suburbans love cars and dislike the city. Urbanites love the city and dislike cars. They are very different. Mike Harris is to blame. The megacity was Toronto’s undoing. Who knows, maybe Harris even realized that the outer districts would outnumber the centre and fuck them over. Toronto will be paying for it for decades, if not forever.

    • nitemayr

      It may have been by design.

    • hansmoleman

      fuck “toronto”. you aren’t the center of the universe because you live in some run down ghetto downtown neighbourhood. fuck st. lawrence “market”, and the waterfront, and all the other shit that the council wastes money on.

  • Jillian

    These findings make me so mad, fuck suburbs!

  • Tyler

    Smitherman’s section totally looks like a middle finger, as if to say “Toronto, you’re f_cked”.

    Great foreboding. .

  • hansmoleman

    stupid cunt