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What’s Next for Ontario Politics (We Hope)

Our wishes for each of the province's main parties, now that the election is done.

Kathleen Wynne announcing the June 12 election.

Ontario has elected, in defiance of most predictions, a Liberal majority. We will have four years of stable government, and Kathleen Wynne will have the chance to show us the kind of premier she really wants to be—as opposed to the cagier kind many think she has been until now, fighting to keep her minority government alive. If Wynne has been holding back—if, as many progressives and urbanists hope, she has been restraining herself on some issues (ranging from Toronto transit to sex-ed policy)—now she will have the chance to pursue those issues more aggressively.

The outcome is useful, in this way, for the NDP and the Progressive Conservatives as well: they each have the opportunity to define themselves more clearly. Free of the hedging that comes with minority governments, the Liberals can define themselves by their governance; the NDP and Tories can do so by the nature of their opposition, and in their approach to rebuilding their respective parties.

What do we hope for in this new political era?


THE LIBERALS


The last three years in this province have been a non-stop orgy of pandering by every single party, and it has been exhausting—and worse, it has been timid. The Liberals have consistently kicked the can down the line on dealing with the budget deficit, but financial scandals and underdeveloped economic plans notwithstanding, Ontarians have decided that the Liberals can be trusted to handle those problems without checks and balances.

The Liberals now have to justify that trust. Kathleen Wynne has made good progress in beginning to counter the excesses of Liberal corruption, but she needs to redouble her efforts. She will certainly have public support in this regard: the Liberal scandals may not have gotten electoral traction, but nobody thinks they were not an issue. And Wynne has a fair amount of personal political capital, since it is fair to say that her popularity was responsible for at least part of the Grits’ stunning success. She has to use it, and if necessary (as it probably will be), use it against elements within her own party that are entrenched in its power structure, to clean house and establish new standards of accountability.

Just as importantly, we hope now that the Liberals choose to govern like a party that doesn’t have to worry about the next election for a few years, and deliver ambitious, substantive policy: a real transit plan for Toronto and other municipalities, not the watered-down version we got in the election platform. A real answer to our affordable housing crisis. A real solution to Ontario’s slowly collapsing manufacturing sector—one that doesn’t rely on endless subsidies to car companies. Actual implementation of the pension program that was the cornerstone of the Liberals’ budget draft.

None of these are easy issues to tackle, but then again, nobody made these people run for office. The Liberals have an opportunity to govern, without fear of reprisal, for several years. They need to make the most of it.

Finally, the Liberals must live up to their promise to allow cities to used ranked ballots in municipal elections. Electoral reform was the best thing the Liberals put on the table. They cannot take it off now.


THE NDP


“It is about economic justice. It is about redistributing the wealth,” Rosario Marchese said following his defeat in Trinity-Spadina—and this is desperately relevant, because the Ontario New Democratic Party has been running away from itself for years.

Everybody is talking about how the Tories were embarrassed in this election, but the New Democrats are the real losers here. Andrea Horwath held the balance of power in the previous minority administration, and chose to call an election with a new, untested premier still carrying the baggage of a decade of Liberal governance, cronyism, pandering, and corruption. But she didn’t take the first opportunity she had to bring down this untested premier, in the face of all these scandals. She waited. She waited until the Liberals unveiled a budget that was very friendly to many of the NDP’s political priorities—a budget many in her party were inclined to support, and many unions asked her to support. She blew the call on choosing how and when to bring down the government, and then she blew the election she had chosen to instigate.

Horwath can talk all she wants about how she increased the NDP’s vote share by a whopping 1.5 per cent: this is meaningless, because you don’t call an election for the sake of 1.5 per cent of the vote, especially if you are ostensibly a progressive party taking the risk that you will hand power to conservatives in the process. You do it because you think you have a chance to become the dominant party of the left and centre-left in this province.

Except that isn’t the campaign Horwath chose to run. Instead, she pushed the NDP so deeply into the centre that her political rhetoric became, on an economic level at least, right-wing populism: talking about “rebates” for every citizen, promising to find “efficiencies” in government.

Nobody needs the NDP to talk about these things. We need the NDP to talk about people who need help. About people who have been left behind. About communities in need. We need a party that says “screw the money, we’re the richest society that’s ever existed in every practical sense that matters, we have to find a way to make things better for everybody.” We need, frankly, ambitious and unapologetic socialists who can serve as this province’s conscience. That doesn’t mean that New Democrats can’t also be brainy wonks who want to examine the nuts and bolts of policy (we can always use more of those in every party). But we need them to stand up for what’s right.

We don’t have that now. Horwath did not indicate any willingness to resign as party leader once the results were in, and there are plenty within the party who want her gone. It is entirely possible that a civil war is brewing within the NDP’s ranks. For their own benefit, and the benefit of the province, they need to figure out who they are and who they should be: they need to rediscover their basis in social justice, they need to find a place for genuine urbanism within their platform, and they need to do these things sooner rather than later.


THE PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVES


This was an embarrassing and entirely deserved loss. Tim Hudak ran on lies, and easily debunked lies at that, and the province’s voters called him on it. It was a slash-and-burn campaign chock-full of name-calling and hypocrisy.

Substantively, the Tories’ problem is this: they have forgotten that they are not just conservatives but Progressive Conservatives. Ontario is not Stephen Harper Reform territory, and was never likely to embrace that particular approach to right-wing politics. The reason the Tories keep losing is because voters suspect—correctly—that the party has become too radical for their tastes. Ontario is growing more diverse and more urban, and Tory policies keep failing to take heed of these developments. (This election has also torpedoed the notion that the Tories can win an election by targeting a number of key ridings and forgetting everybody else.)

Logistically, there is the ongoing challenge that anybody who is talented and politically conservative in this province will prefer to work for the federal Conservative party rather than for its provincial counterpart—the Tories have an upwards skill-leak, and this may not be rectified until the current federal government is ousted.

And that is a problem, because Progressive Conservatives are necessary. The Tories don’t own the concept of fiscal responsibility—although they like to pretend they do—but we need a party that can take a look at the ambitious spending plans of left-wing parties and say, “Fine, but how do we pay for it?” The Liberals will need fiscal critics as much as they need social critics, and we need a viable conservative party to play that role in the legislature.

That is how the Tories can become relevant again. Stop going to war against the unions, and instead try to work with them again. Stop pretending that every public sector cut only affects a nebulous somebody-else. Instead, be the party that takes the bold ideas of other parties and figures out how to make them work—and how to govern smarter, better, and more prudently. We all need them to do that.


ONE FINAL NOTE


We will keep this brief, for we can only hope that we will never have to have this conversation, as a province, ever again. When she gave her victory speech the newly elected premier of our province invited her wife up on stage to join her, and everyone cheered. In a very important sense, it was just no big deal at all—even though, of course, historically, it was. It matters so much that that’s our home now.

Comments

  • milanista1

    Excellent breakdown.

  • Facepalming_Brooklynite

    If the NDP continues to prioritize hydro rebates and reduced car insurance rates over investments in transit and sustainable energy, it will fail to regain the trust of progressive Torontonians.

    • Canadianskeezix

      Agreed. I didn’t think the NDP platform could get worse than the 2011 promise of a sprawl-inducing cut to the gas tax, but it did.

    • EDMUNDOCONNOR

      Though it is possible to be serious about public transit *and* be serious about not letting car insurers rip car owners off (heck, public auto insurance is an idea that should seriously be considered. Saskatchewan has had it for nearly 70 years now, and their insurance rates are a mere fraction of what they are in Ontario). Not everyone has access to public transit.

    • MER1978

      100% agree… the fact that auto insurance rates has at least appeared to be the # 1 NDP priority for the entire life of this minority government has annoyed me to no end.

  • http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2014/05/09/rob_ford_one_wild_night_in_march.html Bumbaclot

    Good summary, especially the NDP portion. They really blew it, and for the first time in my life I didn’t vote for them in a provincial or federal election. (Like the guy in my avatar photo, I voted Green.)

  • torontothegreat

    Absolutely. For me, it was all about competence and was the first time I removed “left/right” from the decision equation.

    • dsmithhfx

      I think the equation was left/right/teaparty.

      • torontothegreat

        lol, yup good point.

  • OgtheDim

    For me, the Tory plight was epitmosed by Halton.

    Chudleigh, the guy who runs the Apple farm, lost.

    Naidu-Harris, the woman who for years was the face of Multicultural TV in this area, won.

    Ontario is changing. The PCPO needs to change with it. Jason Kenny, as much as most of us can’t stand the man, has it right – have to talk to who the people are, not to just the people who you want to talk to.

    • bjhtn

      This riding is also notable demographically in that it encompasses Milton, which has been experiencing a tremendous amount of population growth, even since the 2011 election. It used to be a pretty rural riding, but the population of Milton has roughly tripled since 2001 and now the rural part of the riding is overwhelmed by suburban residents (and relatively recent ones too).

  • Piero

    Excellent, balanced article.

  • Notcleverguy

    With Hudak stepping down as the leader of the provincial PC’s, I sure hope Doug Ford makes a run, so everyone can say “no freaking way” and humiliate that lying clown.

    • mixandserve

      Wouldn’t that be LOVELY if Doug ran and the haters got him elected. God…it would essentially assure Wynne a 10-year term.
      PLEASE make this happen, Jeebus!

      • Notcleverguy

        This is true, but after all his BS, trying to push a junkie on Toronto and his disdain for special needs kids, I would love to see the crush to his massive ego by being denied the opportunity.

      • TheSotSays

        Yeah and it’s too bad about Norm Kelly eh?

        Norm was so sure McWhinntie was a dud who would take down every Liberal in sight that he blew his chances for mayor by going to the Great Wall of China with Comrade McConnell for a selfie and blowing $20 thousand on a dip trip to the Falls.

        • dsmithhfx

          “Norm … blew his chances for mayor”

          News Flash: Norm Kelly is not running for mayor.

        • mixandserve

          Oops…yet another offensive comment deleted, Slots? When all else fails and everyone has bested your arguements, nice to know you can always be trusted attack their spelling. You’ve carved out an admirable niche for yourself, I would say.

          Why don’t you be a nice sore loser and sit quietly and watch your cartoon shows…the adults are talking.

          • TheSotSays

            Liberals talking you say. Well I suppose so.

            And after reading all the reports on Ben Levin we know for sure who they’re talking to.

          • torontothegreat

            I love watching people like you shit their pants the day after it’s re-affirmed how life always gives you lemons. But mostly I love watching people like you eat those lemons, and still somehow maintain that shit-eating grin.
            Too bad for you chucklehead.

          • TheSotSays

            Nope, too bad for you. I’ve been asset clear of this loser Province for over a year

            Big tax foreclosed houses in Detroit are selling for about .$1000, so when McWhinntie gets done with you be sure to take the $800 you get for your mom’s place and spend it wisely.

          • mixandserve

            ts:dr

          • TheSotSays

            Thump thump thump.

          • mixandserve

            Oops, “too stupid, didn’t read” should have been “too bitter, don’t care”.

            Enjoy the next five years, BitterBoyBlue.

      • bobloblawbloblawblah
      • rich1299

        I was just happy to see that Holyday lost his provincial seat and is now firmly out of politics, unless he thinks he can make a run for it federally.

        • TheSotSays

          Hark the mating call of the Trotskybutt Liberals:
          “WE LOVE DETROIT AND EVERYTHING IT STANDS FOR”

    • bobloblawbloblawblah

      I was thinking that very thing. I saw him quoted somewhere as saying the Tories “need an enema”(yeessh!!!). I would thoroughly enjoy watching Doug Ford be crushed as he attempts to bully his way into the Tory leadership. It’s not enough that Rob gets defeated in October, Doug needs to be chased from politics too.

    • rich1299

      I love how Doug Ford considers himself to be a social liberal unlike Hudak. Hudak wasn’t the one openly appealing to bigots or attacking people because of a disability they have.

  • mixandserve

    I just hope we hear from SlotyBoi again. He must be off licking his wounds this morning with the rest of the mysogynist/racist/homophobe neocon haters this morning.
    Good on Wynne, though. I wish it had been a minority with Horwath at the helm to let the LIBS know they’re on notice, but Wynne has the stuff to make the right decisions.
    Enjoy the results, everyone!

    • Notcleverguy

      He’s probably tired from running from station to station in an attempt to vote multiple times.

      • mixandserve

        I don’t think “run” is in his vocabulary, I’d imagine he has an Escalade.

    • OgtheDim

      Just showed up down below.

      He stalks my posts.

      • TheSotSays

        “He stalks my posts”

        It’s certainly easy enough to do for anyone who reads comments posted to this organ.

        Every other comment posted has your penguin dangling from it. You seem to be a lot more intelligent though when you troll about using your gorilla avatar.

      • TheSotSays

        I also “stock” them and index them. You’re the biggest two dollar an hour Jackwagon out there.

        Get yourself a credible psychiatrist.

      • TheSotSays

        Mostly I ridicule them, you’re an idiot.

      • nevilleross

        Mine too.

        • TheSotSays

          I guess you two stupid sons of biotches bit off more than you could chew when you started up doing it to me.

  • http://fuckyou.com/ Alex

    Can someone explain to me what Tories are? I’ve heard the name many times but never an explanation. I always thought it was a Quebec thing. Is it another word for PC’s? Like, a nick name?

    • Notcleverguy

      It is a term that began in the late 1600′s in England. It was one of two political movements at that time, the Whigs were the other.

    • Rubber Biscuit

      It is from the Irish ‘toraidhe’, meaning ‘outlaw’ or ‘robber.’ Whether the Tories realize this or not is unknown.

      • Notcleverguy

        Ha! Love it!

  • SonuvaScrimbro

    Great analysis. I woud love to believe that the party brain trust for each of the three parties will take these lessons from the results, but I’m not that optimistic. The Tories, especially, I see taking the wrong lessons: “We didn’t go negative enough! We didn’t target the right key ridings! They only won because we’re the only ones talking tough about the unions!”

    Heard Doug Ford use the word “enema” in describing how he would clean up the party. First: classy to the end. Second: as much as I would love to see him go down in flames trying to be the PC’s savior, this article is right — we need a competent, realistic PC party to provide a viable alternative. And maybe this populist “right to work” who-doesn’t-love-a-chain-gang nonsense isn’t the way to do that.

    • Rubber Biscuit

      Doug Ford said we would give the party and enema “from top to bottom,” a phrase he immediately repeated for emphasis. Traditionally an enema goes from the bottom, but never let it be said be said Doug is unwilling to try new things.

      • mixandserve

        From Slotsy’s lonesome overnight posts, I think he may well join Doug in these strange new watersport adventures.

      • FeepingCreature

        “an enema from top to bottom” also known as drinking water.

    • bobloblawbloblawblah

      Names like John Baird, Lisa Raitt, Frank Klees, Tony Clement are being
      batted around as possible successors to Hudak. Doug Ford wouldn’t stand a chance against any of them. Of course, The Ego That Pretends It Is Mayor will still give serious thought to running, which I hope he does because it would be very entertaining seeing Doug Ford crushed and humiliated.

      • NayChan

        These people are the best they can do? None of these people will ever be the leader of Ontario, especially that little weasel Clement.

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    Some sore losers are hoping the Hudak agenda will live on through Wynne.

  • NYCBoy2305

    Wonderful, thoughtful column. Horwath must go.

    • dsmithhfx

      It’s just a matter of time.

      • estta

        Geez I hope so. This is the first election I didn’t vote NDP. It was depressing.

        • LTJ

          Selling out feels that way. Especially when you realize you were hoodwinked by Liberals.

          • dsmithhfx

            Remind me: what was the alternative?

          • tyrannosaurus_rek

            Being let down is more depressing.

  • TheSotSays

    What’s next is that a lot of sad drunken Liberals will have wakened up this morning and taken a look at the ugly thing in bed beside them and realized that the fixer up house they paid $250,000 for last week will likely be on a forced sale 6 months from now for $1,000.

    • dsmithhfx

      Project much?

      • TheSotSays

        I just heard the ugly thing has decided to go straight and marry Joe Fontana.

    • mixandserve

      Sounds a tad bitter, SlottyBoyBlue…try again.

  • Frostmoth

    I cried when Wynne invited her wife up to the stage. It was so simple (everyone hugs their spouse etc when they are elected) yet so important at the same time -because Wynne is not only the 1st woman but also the 1st openly gay woman to be elected as Premier of Ontario, it was a HUGE moment.

    • tyrannosaurus_rek

      She’s the first (openly) gay person to be elected head of a government in any English-speaking or Commonwealth nation, if her Wikipedia page is to be believed.

      • TheSotSays

        Hark the mating call of the Trotskybutt Liberals:
        “WE LOVE DETROIT AND EVERYTHING IT STANDS FOR”

        • OgtheDim

          Eminem wants to have a word with you.

          • TheSotSays

            Elton Johnny thinks you’re sooooooooooo beauuuteeeeful

          • dsmithhfx

            There’s an interesting program about cyber-bullying on CBC radio right now.

            But you probably shouldn’t listen, because you might not like what you hear.

          • TheSotSays

            Well then you and your 7 psycho Liberal Party trolling names had better go get busy and make a recording of the fn thing. Send one to Kinsella.

          • TheSotSays

            Well then you and your 7 psycho Liberal Party trolling names had better go get busy and make a recording of the fn thing. Send one to Kinsella.

          • nevilleross

            Thanks to idiots like you, most of us will have cops looking over our shoulders while on the ‘net 24-7/365, due to cyberbullying bullshit. Way to go, Sot.

    • TheSotSays

      In fact it was so HUGE that it caused a minor miracle down at the Ferry Dock where that magnificent seagull smeared statue of Jack Layton was also discovered to be openly weeping.

      • Don River

        Sot go for laugh, no get.

        • TheSotSays

          Well Don, you’re a sad little man without classical education if you can’t join Chaucer and his “poore Parson” in a laugh at the thought of all those clean NDP sheep and a statue of Jack, the “shitten shepherd.”

          • mixandserve

            Oh my. SlotyBoy was up until 4am on local blog desperately trying to demonstrate his wit and intelligence to total strangers.
            Um, LIFE much? If this is how you spend a Friday night, you need a hobby. Or a girlfriend. Or boyfriend.
            Or if no one would ever fancy your ass, get a fleshlight at least because this shit above is embarrassing.

          • TheSotSays

            Hark, the mating call of the Trotskytrot loser – “Thump thump thump”

          • mixandserve

            Um, what’s A Trotsky?

            In other news, the 2014 Ontario Election result? My guy for the win. (heeeeeee!) :p

            Effect on SlotyBoyBlue? Five years watching a female (worse, Lesbian!) Liberal tax-and-sepnder cram her wicked liberal ideology and massive tax hikes/fiscal mismanagement/ constant scandals down his throat.

            Effect on me? Smiles. LOTS of ‘em. Knowing the blood is boiling in the veins of people like SlottyBoyBlue is going to keep me on a five year high. ESPECIALLY if she spends like a drunken sailor.

            I mean…for every dollar she mismanages, I know 33% of the populace will basicaly stroke-out because they specifcally voted against this governement to stop this kind of behaviour.

            Again, my guy for the win.

            And your 5-year term, Slotto? Begins now.

            Enjoy.

          • TheSotSays

            Nope, too bad for you. I’ve been asset clear of this loser Province for over a year

            Big tax foreclosed houses in Detroit are selling for about .$1000, so when McWhinntie gets done with you be sure to take the $800 you get for your mom’s place and spend it wisely.

          • dsmithhfx

            “I’ve been asset clear for over a year”

            Bankrupt? With your charming personality? Say it ain’t so!

          • mixandserve

            Yeah, *sure* you are, SlotyBoi. (wink wink)
            Typical neocon–complains about freeloaders on the system and then doesn’t bat an eye about declaring bankruptcy.
            Not quite sure why I’m conversing with someone whining about the province’s fiscal house when you’re simply not man enough to solve your own debt obligations. You kinda just branded yourself with the taint of discredit.
            Not that people were lining up before to agree with any of your points.

          • TheSotSays

            When you wink at the boys, make sure you don’t catch anything in your zipper. (winky winky)

      • mixandserve

        I LOVE the fact that Layton’s passing solidified his permanent lionization in this country, if only to watch those who hated him most suffer the greatest. Every time Layton’s name is uttered with a tone of complete reverence, a teeny-tiny part of Slotz dies.

        Don’t be so blue (orange?), Slotyboy..it’s only for the rest of your life.

  • EDMUNDOCONNOR

    Having a gay premier is good. Having a gay premier that makes passing a revised sex-ed curriculum a priority would be even better. I am not holding my breath, though.

  • Albin

    The post-election Tory spin doesn’t indicate they’ve learned much: all about how Hudak was “too honest” rather than his grinning used-car (the one Harris ran into a ditch) sales techniques.

    Horvath’s worst sin was taking the risk that a more credible Tory campaign would have won the election, a la Jack Layton’s 2005 takedown of the Martin government that murdered a progressive legislative agenda on the order paper and ushered in a decade of Stephen Harper. This electoral gamesmanship doesn’t serve the NDP’s core constituencies well.

    Wynn was the only adult in the room. She is fortunate in her opposition.

    • dsmithhfx

      A liberal-ndp merger is way past due. The have too much in common, and too much is at stake to allow old animosities and grudges stand in the way. If Horwath and her ilk need to be swept aside, so be it.

      • OgtheDim

        It would take a lot more then Horwath and her ilk being set aside.

        Any discussion I have with an NDP stalwart reminds me that the NDP hate the Liberals more then the Tories.

        We saw a bit of that in here this week.

        • dsmithhfx

          In that case they should merge with the Tories. As a standalone party, they ain’t going anywhere.

          • LTJ

            That’s the truth.

            As much as you’d love it if the NDP disappeared, they’re not going anywhere.

          • dsmithhfx

            Actually, I wish the NDP would grow a spine and stand for something. That would be a good start.

          • LTJ

            …or they could just SAY they stand for something, like the Liberals. And you’d vote for them, no matter how often they disappointed, wouldn’t you?

      • mixandserve

        Amen. Or at least an meaningful, binding 5-year coalition.

      • tyrannosaurus_rek

        Leaving Ontario with a centrist and a right wing party to choose from? I’d rather not have my choices so restricted. (Maybe that’s what it’ll take for the Greens to become relevant.)

        • dsmithhfx

          The take away from the election is that those labels don’t mean what they used to.

      • TheSotSays

        Yeah you have a bit of a problem don’t you.

        It’s been historically tough to find Ontario voters who will send the same party to Queens Park that they send to Ottawa.

        On that basis I’d have to say the Emperor Justinian is in for a rough chariot ride. It’ll be an interesting sight to see.

        Considering all the left wing Harvard geniuses gathered up by the post 1968 rump liberals I haven’t stopped laughing about it since last thursday.

        • dsmithhfx

          Does crow taste bitter?

          • mixandserve

            I don’t know how much room Slot has for crow when he’s already got his foot so firmly lodged so deep in his yapper.
            I guess that’s what happens when you spend months braying about how badly the PCs would trounce the Liberals, only to see them punk-out and end up as irrelevant as the Greens.
            If he had any shame, he’d sequester himself to a dark corner with a dunce cap, where he can suck his thumb in silence and reflect on his pitiful brand of hubris.

          • TheSotSays

            Crow ????
            Does it taste the same as penguin?

            By the way, I see the recounts have started, so maybe you’ll get lucky and McWhinntie won’t win Ontario after all.

          • mixandserve

            Recounts: the mating call of the bitter and desperate.
            Enjoy your coffee.

          • dsmithhfx

            “Eating crow is an American colloquial idiom,[1] meaning humiliation by admitting wrongness or having been proved wrong after taking a strong position.[2] Crow is presumably foul-tasting in the same way that being proved wrong might be emotionally hard to swallow.[2] ”

            http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_crow

        • mixandserve

          http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/top-10-canadian-heroes-list-includes-pierre-trudeau-jack-layton-1.2676398

          Though you might like something a little sweet with your morning coffee, Slotto.

      • LTJ

        That’s hilarious.

        You want a two-party Tweedledee/Tweedledum corporate state like south of the border? I’ll fight that to my death; we’re 90% of the way to being a banana republic already thanks to the corporatist sell-outs in the two major parties.

        And the previous crack about Horwath running a “Tory” campaign? Absolute bullshit. She did move to the center, so that she could offer a non-threatening HONEST alternative to Liberal corruption. And she couldn’t get a fair hearing in the corporate media.

        Big surprise.

        • OgtheDim

          Given

          a) the ONDP’s issues in Scarborough with Adam G
          b) the fake covers on Metro and the Sun that misrepresented poll results
          c) the use of tax cuts and spending curbs as deficit reduction #’s

          the ONDP didn’t provide much in the way of honesty.

          ***********

          That, and I’m pretty darn sure LTJ = Sottie

          • LTJ

            Picking nits rather than addressing arguments, regularly indulging in drive-by smears, and accusing others of being trolls?

            You’re a class act, Dim.

          • OgtheDim

            Yeah, ur sotty.

        • dsmithhfx

          “You want a two-party Tweedledee/Tweedledum corporate state”

          No I don’t. Neither do I want a three-party Tweedledee/Tweedledum/Tweedleduh corporate state.

          The NDP has made itself irrelevant, I had nothing to do with it (and now, I will have nothing to with it).

          I’m not a Liberal partisan by the way, far from it.

  • OgtheDim

    The ONDP doesn’t seem to have gotten the message of this election either.

    E.g. Read the spin by Robin Sears in the Star today….he somehow believes that the ONDP connected more with youth in that election and that Horwath came out smelling like a rose. Umm…you lost the most youthful non-reserve focused riding in the province in Trinity Spadina. Car insurance and Hydro GST rebates don’t really matter that much to renters who don’t drive.

    The ONDP brain trust don’t seem to quite get what happened there. Sure, they swept Windsor and Hamilton and got back Sudbury and Oshawa. And they gained 1.2% of the vote. But, their vote looks a lot like the PCPO – lots in certain ridings, little in others.

    The ONDP pulled the plug without being ready. They seemed to think people would like them because they were not the other two parties. Their policy book was purposefully flimsy. And, that backfired.

    They kept talking about the corruption of the Libs as the reason to
    hold the election (we saw it in here with their partisans). But, like it or not, people
    didn’t buy that the past was Wynne’s fault. And, when they went to examine what alternative the ONDP provided, it wasn’t enough to get them to vote for them.

    Finally, the ONDP willingly gave up the integrity issue here in Toronto. The ONDP say they pulled the plug on the Libs because the Libs lacked integrity, And then, they put cover ads in the Metro and in the Sun that were attempted to look like those papers but with ONDP messages. The ONDP came across as thinking readers were stupid enough not to notice the difference.

    i.e. the ONDP came across as manipulators of the truth and thought we were dumb

    Never EVER be seen to think that voters are stupid.

    I really hope that the ONDP has the internal fortitude to look honestly at what happened there. But, given everything we have heard of Horwath and everything we have seen from the ONDP in the last few days, I doubt it.

    • NayChan

      For some strange and illogical reason they appear to be going after the Ford Nation/far right vote. It was a horrific strategy and she lost a lot of votes with that and her right leaning policies. Her NDP is not my NDP

      • TheSotSays

        That’s right, your NDP has Leon Trotsky, Karl Marx and Joe Stalin in it, and you likely don’t even know it.

        Take your eye ball out of your butt and go read some history.

        • Don River

          Trotsky and Stalin hated each other. One even had the other killed.

      • bobloblawbloblawblah

        The strange part about that is that there really is no Ford Nation. This idea was cooked up by the Fords and Talk Radio to describe that block of voters that would vote for Ford but they don’t slavishly vote for other right wing candidates and even Rob Ford couldn’t get his “nation” out for Hudak in 2011 when Ford was riding high(er, maybe wrong term for Ford?). Heck, even the heart of Ford Nation, Etobicoke, went Liberal and turfed out Ford’s old pal, Doug Holyday. I didn’t understand the NDP’s attempt to woo those voters — it alienated many people in ridings they already had and in the end they dropped three ridings in Toronto that they should’ve held onto.

      • LTJ

        …except that there were no “right-leaning” policies. There was a small shift towards the centre, but nothing that crossed the line.

        Once again, the Liberals campaigned dishonestly from the left, and once again, they shall rule from the right. The corporate media knows they can depend upon it.

    • LTJ

      You’re quite the manipulator of the truth yourself, Dim.

      The NDP bought cover ads in target newspapers because the corporate media otherwise refuses to give them coverage. You’ll note the working-class nature of the media they chose – they were trying to talk directly to their natural constituency.

      The NDP has respect for their voters Dim – but you don’t. You’re the one who thinks anyone who disagrees with you is stupid.

      • dsmithhfx

        You’re taking this personally. The ONDP now has 4-5 long years in the wilderness to reflect on its foolish, failed gambit. Don’t waste too much of that time on futile and misdirected bitterness. Have a cookie and run along, there’s a good boy.

        • LTJ

          More condescension?

  • Notcleverguy

    Hey, your boy lost, but don’t worry, you can still spread your hate on a federal level……………….for now.

  • TheSotSays

    Well I started to warm up to him when he promised to dump 100,000 Liberal Party Jackwagons into the trash but my man of choice would have been Frank Klees.

    Man, every time Frank opened up on the big three tonner Deb Mathews about her stink filled Health Care System, she gained another ten pounds.