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Duly Quoted: Doug Ford, on a Group Home for Developmentally Disabled Youth

Doug Ford goes full NIMBY on a group home in his ward.

“My heart goes out to kids with autism. But no one told me they’d be leaving the house. If it comes down to it, I’ll buy the house myself and resell it.”

At a community meeting, Doug Ford (Ward 2, Etobicoke North) opposes a group home in his ward that serves four youth, some of whom have autism. Operated by the Griffin Centre at 22 Jeffcoat Dr., the home was recently renovated and opened for operations two months ago. But at a community meeting called by Ford, neighbours complained about the number of police visits, and multiple individuals said their neighbourhood is not appropriate for “mental people.” Ford also asked whether any of the individuals in the home are sex offenders (they are not) and accused the centre of not being upfront with him about the home. The Griffin Centre denies those allegations, and has staff onsite 24/7. There will be another community meeting in two weeks.

Comments

  • bobloblawbloblawblah

    “My heart goes out to kids with autism…..”

    No it doesn’t. You’re a vile bully, Doug. You don’t have a heart.

  • estta

    He is everything awful and wrong.

  • http://jameskoole.com James Koole

    Screw you, Doug Ford. You are a horrible person.

    p.s. No one told us they’d let your brother out of rehab to go prance around in Bracebridge either.

    • Randy McDonald

      This.

  • http://themagicfarawayttree.tumblr.com/ babybobbarker

    Can we just get rid of this awful family that has infected our city?

    • bobloblawbloblawblah

      5 long months to go until Toronto can put out the Ford trash.

    • PabloYYZ

      And deprive our fair city of the Etobikennedys?

      Must be a leftist.

      **Shaking two fists in the air while gnashing teeth**

  • Justin Flontek

    Doug thinks four autistic children have ruined a community, yet he expects everyone to tolerate his addict brother as mayor. The Fords deserve the same level of compassion they are showing these children, no more. And that goes for those in the community that also bullied the facility during the meeting. It was nothing short of disgusting.

  • rich1299

    This is Toronto’s “Heart of Darkness”. The wealthy in the the Etobicoke wilderness seeing the Fords as if gods weeding out those “unfit” amongst them so they can live in eternal bliss/ignorance. Olivia Chow of course is the one following the Fords up river to put an end to their cruelty and madness. Or perhaps its Doug coming to take out Rob after he went “native”. What a horrific novel someone could write about the Fords’ time in municipal politics.

    This reminds me of when Doug opposed condo townhouses in his neighbourhood saying they would destroy their community by turning it into a downtown type area. You can almost get a sense of where the Ford’s are coming from when they see housing for people who can only afford condo townhouses, instead of single family detached houses on large lots, destroying their community.

    Its even more horrible than when councillor Rob Ford said he’d be lynched if he allowed a homeless shelter in his ward. Its not just the Ford’s but the entire neighbourhood that’s the problem.

    • Matt Madill

      I live in Rexdale in a detached home. I moved here because I could buy one for $350,000 as opposed to $1m+ anywhere near downtown. I hate the Ford family. I support community housing, affordable housing, anything to help make our city more livable for everyone. In fact part of the reason I bought this house is so I could move my mother in law into the basement. She was on a treadmill of paying nothing but rent and it is my goal to help her create savings for herself. I do have a car, but I also walk, bike, and take transit regularly.

      Please don’t paint a whole community with one brush.

      • Steveinto

        I grew up in Rexdale, i am not surprised with the attitude of these nimbys, I got out of there as soon as could, moved downtown and have never looked back.

        • Matt Madill

          I grew up in Brantford and feel the same way about it.

      • rich1299

        I realize not everyone is the same in any neighbourhood or from any social group. I was thinking in particular of the people who came out to oppose this home and stretched the analogy with “Heart of Darkness”/”Apocalypse Now” pretty far.

    • torontothegreat

      Rob after he went “native”

      Wow, I hope you realize how offensively racist that is…

      • rich1299

        I totally agree its an offensive racist phrase. That was the point I was trying to make though not so elegantly by loosely quoting the novel, “The Heart of Darkness”, better known from the movie very loosely based on it “Apocalypse Now”. The novel was about the racism that formed the bedrock of colonialism. Its main character is a man named Marlow who is sent to find and return the very ill Kurtz who works for the same colonial company. The book describes the horrors and brutality of European imperialism in Africa. The movie deals with identical themes but in southeast Asia instead of Africa.

        • torontothegreat

          I realize that, but just as you (probably) won’t type out the word “n**ger”, even as a Twain quote – I’m sure you could have come up with something other than that?

          Aboriginals are already one of the few cultures in North American where we (still) have to deal with racial epithet’s – with no apology from our colonial “masters” and so-called “progressives” – that we, as a responsible society can simply refrain from throwing more gas on the fire, yeah?

          • rich1299

            Re-read my original comment and check out the context its written in. Why on earth would Doug, in the context of my comment, think his brother Rob, had turned into a N.A. First Nations person? That has nothing to do with the context of my comment or the analogy I used.

            The word native isn’t only used by outsiders in reference to indigenous populations anywhere in the world but is regularly used, at least in slang usage if not the strict dictionary usage, to refer everyday culture or everyday people of any social group whatsoever anywhere in the world, as well as foods, customs, beliefs, of any social group as well as flora/fauna, none of which has anything whatsoever to do with any indigenous population unless its specifically in reference to a particular indigenous group. Racial superiority like that of the US army officer who, roughly quoting, said “Kurtz has gone native” and social superiority like that of Doug Ford saying this home is destroying their neighbourhood isn’t all that much different. The same with Doug possibly running for mayor to restore his family’s sense of social superiority after Rob blew that sense of superiority right our of the water by “sinking” to the level of everyday people in everyday culture.I get that context isn’t easily understood on the web and not everyone is going to be familiar with an analogy. But I still have no idea how you could’ve thought I was suggesting Rob Ford had turned into any N.A. First Nations person based on what I wrote, assuming you actually read it all instead of just zeroing in on one quote I used from the movie that was part of the analogy.

          • torontothegreat

            You’ve made the context very clear in both the numerous references to “The Heart of Darkness” and to Rob Ford’s behaviour. The origins are based in early (racist) anthropology, which is also in the context of Clark’s novel.

            Going Native: “of being more primitive, less cultural and more aggressive”

            how you could’ve thought I was suggesting Rob Ford had turned into any N.A. First Nations

            Consider the statement: “Hey, don’t be a Jew”. In your brain does that translate to: “Why is he suggesting I have turned into a person of the Jewish religion/culture?”

            As an aboriginal, I’m was offended by your context, your statement and now are your silly attempt to justify it. I challenged you to think of the impact of your statement and suggested you find another metaphor. This has seemingly proven too difficult to you.

            I’m sorry if our plight is too difficult for you to empathize with, but you have earned my sympathy by highlighting your ignorance, poor taste and most of all your shear un-willingness to bear self-witness to how spectacular it all truly is.

    • OpportKnocks
  • dsmithhfx

    Stay classy, Doug.

    Oh.

  • allyson

    Regardless of Doug’s clunky comments, I’m just wondering what the police visits are all about.

    • PabloYYZ

      Nuisance calls perhaps?

    • Justin Flontek

      They show up all the time at my condo, along with ambulances and fire trucks. Depends on the nature of the call and how much information is given to the 911 operator. A lot of elderly people, all medical reasons.

      I guess I should complain and have all the elderly people removed, because they’re ruining the community. ;)

    • Lutesuite

      According to the linked story:

      “‘Staff are in the house 24/7′ (Deanna Dannell, Griffin Centre’s director of youth and family support services) said, adding staff are trained to deal with “aggressive and volatile behaviour, part of which is knowing when to call the police. Typically, we don’t have emergency services come as much as they have in the last few weeks.’

      “Asked the nature of police calls, a 23 Division officer explained police remove a child from the home under the Ontario Mental Health Act and take them to hospital when the child is a danger to himself or herself, or a danger to others, including other residents or home staff.”

      Makes sense.

    • tomwest

      I imagine Rob’s neighbours wonder the same thing.

  • PabloYYZ

    “My heart goes out to kids (staying) with Doug Ford. But no one
    told me they’d be leaving the house. If it comes down to it, I’ll buy
    the house myself and resell it.”

  • dsmithhfx

    How about that basement full of crack smokers. Gonna run them out of town?

  • Dr. Blitz

    I wonder if this home gets more or less police visits than the home of Doug’s brother. And I wonder if any of the residents in this home display as many symptoms of mental illness as Doug’s brother. Or sister.

  • realpigasus

    Utter dolt.

  • Justin Flontek

    Does the Fords’ bigotry know no bounds?

  • Jodina Joseph

    The Griffin Centre denies those allegations, and has staff on site 24/7. There will be another community meeting in two weeks. http://bit.ly/1jGbSgD

  • GeneJockey

    I have long felt that Doug Ford was even more despicable than Robbie. Rob seems not to know what the hell he is doing but Doug does this with seemingly full faculties.

    If you didn’t know it before, this is EXACTLY how “Ford Nation” thinks – and they get their vile ideas right from the top down. Only think of themselves.

    • PabloYYZ

      Doug has always been the puppet master.

  • Sircrapsalot

    I guess if it was a crack den then it would be no problem for the Fords.

  • GeneJockey

    Maybe he should buy the house and set it back up as a full drug rehab facility. I hear there is a HUGE need for that in his ward!

  • tomwest

    So Doug thinks autistic people shouldn’t be out in public. That’s disgusting.

    • Justin Flontek

      I’m begging to think the Fords shouldn’t be allowed out, in public.

  • Justin Flontek

    So now doug is using the gravy train to spread bigotry.

    • TheSotSays

      WTF is a Flontek?

    • TheSotSays

      Whereas when you spread your NDP version of bigotry, you use every newspaper in town

  • rich1299

    Dear god I just read the accompanying article and Doug’s comments are restrained compared to those of other neighbours. “The solution is for them to move out. Locate the facility in another
    place. This is a community for people, not for that. I have nothing
    against the kids. If the kids need help, they need help.” How more blatantly can someone say kids with mental health problems aren’t “real” people? This guy is even more blunt “This is not a place for mental people. This is a residential area. Why don’t you build a house out on a farm?” Of course someone trotted out the old ‘won’t someone please think of the children’ argument, “What do I say to my three kids under the age of seven when one of these
    kids freaks out?” asked one woman, who declined to give her name.” You can start with telling them the truth, that some people have illnesses that affect their brains which sometimes with some illnesses causes them to act in unusual ways. How traumatic could that possibly be for a child of any age?

    The stigma against people with mental health or neurological problems is fairly widespread but usually quite mild, such as “forgot to take your meds today?”. Most people would never say something like that to someone they knew had a mental health or neurological problem. Most people are a little uncomfortable around people acting unusually but would never act on in any way especially when children are involved. Lots of people choose to live around CAMH where they see people with obvious mental health problems daily but treat them kindly as the neighbours they are. But in Ford’s neighbourhood with their tiny fantasy world difference is not acceptable. If these are the sorts of people the Fords grew up with it could help explain why they’re such major assholes today.

    Considering about 20% of our population experiences a mental health problem at some point in their lives regardless of their income, ethnicity, or where they live chances are excellent there have always been “mental people” living there. I can only hope the kids never hear what’s been said about them by their neighbours.

    • Steveinto

      Ford nation speaks

    • Still_Waters3

      Yes, it is truly disgusting how much prejudice still exists. Our “enlightened” society is just as ignorant as it was a generation ago. How disappointing.

    • tomwest

      “This is a community for people, not for that”
      I have an urge to punch the person who said that. If this makes me a bad person, I’m OK with that.

  • Truenorthstrongandfree67

    Doug Ford, your heart goes out to no one. The whole Ford family is an embarrassment to humanity.

  • mytwocentsworth

    Where and when is the next ‘community meeting’? I think the four young people in question might be helped if they get some respectable people showing up to support them. Just when I thought we had seen the worst of the Fords, Doug outdoes himself again.

  • Vanessa Sarges

    Did I actually read that correctly? One of the Ford brothers accusing someone else of not being ‘upfront’? Is that a joke?
    He has some audacity considering the lying, hiding and covering up that he and Rob have done for years as a result of their bad behaviour, poor judgement and inflated sense of self entitlement.
    They are both equally vile and repulsive bullies and this city needs to be rid of both of them.

  • knotsing

    Is there something in the water in this Ward that they have elected only a Ford thug as Councillor since the year 2000? It is hard to find more vile individuals than the Fords in City politics. But to these voters the Fords seem to be heroes. Or do these voters just have very low expectations?

    • estta

      Well they have Andray Domise as an option this time, and he’s kind of amazing. So hopefully things are better going forward.

  • Kass Middleton

    Are you kidding me? This jerk better join his alcoholic, drug addicted, homophobic brother in his fantasy rehab. You know the one that lets everyone out for weekends and holidays to have fun at the cottage. Maybe they’ll teach you how to be a human being. I’ll just bet that none of your 4 daughters are proud of what you said and heaven help you should one of those daughters ever have a child with autism.
    “But no one told me they’d be leaving the house”. What did you expect Dougie. Not everyone shuts them in the basement like you would.

  • Disqusted

    I live down the street from a fat, crack-using, alcoholic wife-abuser.

    He continually has low-life friends of his visiting the house.

    The police have visited the residence several times.

    Oddly, I have not seen him in perhaps 3 weeks.

    But he should be kicked out of the neighbourhood too.

    Perhaps his brother Doug could get on this.

  • Justin Flontek

    Since when are autistic kids part of the commie cabal, out to get the Fords? ;)

    Like the Fords haven’t made enough enemies as it is.

  • John Duncan

    Thankfully housing is considered a basic human right under Ontario’s Human Rights Code, so Doug doesn’t get to decide where people live.

    http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/comment-ontario-human-rights-commission-city-torontos-proposed-zoning-law
    http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/right-home-report-consultation-human-rights-and-rental-housing-ontario

    • Still_Waters3

      Except that zoning laws do discriminate by prohibiting group homes in certain areas. It’s a holdover from a hundred years ago when it was seen as better to warehouse the undesirables in institutions where they were horribly abused, than to have them visible to the community that so feared anyone “not normal.”

      • rich1299

        They didn’t build that brick wall around the old Queen St psychiatric hospital, now CAMH, for the benefit of their patients.The old Lakeshore psychiatric hospital, now beautifully restored and used by Humder college, also used to have a tall wood fence all around its grounds. That fence no longer exists like some of the walls do but both are fine example of keeping people with certain illnesses out of view of “decent people”.

  • wklis

    Doug Ford, a true blue Conservative. Like his brother, Rob, and their close friend, Tim Hudak.

    • dsmithhfx

      I don’t think they’re friends, more like dangerous rivals with similar agendas.

      • OpportKnocks

        Agree, it is funny that the Fords make Hudak look like a relative positive for the Conservative brand.

        • estta

          Hudak may not come out and say crass shit like Ford does, but his budget plan includes cutting the funding for homes like this one, as well as workers for programs that support people on the spectrum.

  • DaveWilliamscheemissManana

    Fuck you, you scumbag.

    • Still_Waters3

      Same to the community members who made such vile comments.

  • Inga

    My nephew has severe autism and is on a ten year wait list to get into a group home. Doug Ford is NOT helping!

    • rcts

      Doug was never taught to help anyone.
      He was taught to help himself.

  • OpportKnocks

    The old saying applies to Rob and Doug Ford: “It takes a village to raise an idiot.”

  • nevilleross

    This only proves how much of a big fracking POS the Ford family is. With attitudes like this, it’s no wonder people have problems with those who have autism, and thing badly of us (yes, I, Neville Ross, am autistic-diagnosed with Asperger’s Syndrome five years ago.) Luckily, I don’t need a home like this, but many people with autism do, and this asshole has made it hard for the to be helped and housed.

    Any way we can prevail on the province to give the city impeachment powers? I don’t care what others have said, we need them to get rid of assholes like the Ford brothers.

  • quidnunc

    Hey, Dougie, you putting in an offer on 15 Windsor Road too, or are you having trouble getting your hands on that much crack? Or that dump on Edenbridge the cops are always being called out to? I heard there’s a couple of kids in there that are afraid to go outside that could use “saving”.

  • OpportKnocks

    My heart bleeds for Diane Ford, but she should have known drinking during pregnancy would cause this.

  • torontothegreat

    Police have been called to the Griffin Centre almost half as many times as they’ve been called to Rob Ford’s residence.

  • Still_Waters3

    God-forbid that anyone in the families in this community, or in the Ford family, should ever have a developmental disability. These people seem to have no problem excusing their own imperfections (“I’m not perfect”), but anyone who has no choice about their disability is to be shunned and run out of town. What’s next for this neighbourhood, burning crosses?

  • allyson

    While I think Doug is handling this in a deplorable manner, I also think it’s worth knowing more about the situation in the neighbourhood. The Griffin Centre said only a couple of the residents have autism, and it’s a very wide spectrum. If there is violent behaviour occurring which poses discomfort or even danger to residents, there has to be some dialogue in order to make it better. Doug is just making things worse, but the residents should be allowed to have their concerns.
    And of course, this goes for living beside ANY house which disturbs the peace.

    • estta

      When their concern comes in the form of “Can’t we ship them to a farm somewhere?”, I don’t think that’s dialogue that will make things better.

      • allyson

        Agreed, and I think Doug whipped up the frenzy beforehand in order to score political points. But that does not negate the concerns of the residents.

        • dsmithhfx

          It’s the Fords who invite violent criminals into the neighborhood. Where’s the concern over that? Or are the neighbors happy to look the other way because they get their leaves vacuumed by the city?

        • estta

          I’d argue that the fact their proposed solutions are appalling, and that none of them are willing to own said solutions without the cloak of anonymity, does negate their concerns. It’s not like people are coming forward saying they want to find compromises with the centre, or work with the centre for a solution that will help all parties. They are saying they want the centre shuttered, moved out of town, or that the residents should be barred from leaving the premises!

          I’m not even saying the centre is a bad neighbour, but buying any home is no guarantee you will like or enjoy your neighbours. You could have the police called frequently for any number of reasons, many of which have been stated in these comments. If the residents have concerns, their options are to either find a way to work with the centre (I would suggest inquiring about volunteer/support opportunities, or at least requesting more information), or to move. Those are the same options you have if you don’t like your neighbours for whatever reason, legitimate or not.

          • allyson

            I don’t think we can presume that the people quoted in the media are speaking for the entire neighbourhood.
            Also … I’m not an expert, but I presume that because there is a type of service provided at this address, this situation is different to the sale of a private home. Perhaps someone here knows more…

          • estta

            Aside from the people quoted in the article, do we even know if the rest of the neighbourhood has an issue?

          • allyson

            They could all have concerns, but there are different ways to express those concerns. My point is that Doug did not do it well, and the media printed some of the more provocative statements – said in the heat of the moment.
            I live on the same block as a group home for teenagers who “experience difficulties”. During the seven years I have lived here, not once has there been a disturbance or police/fire/ambulance called to this residence. It is well maintained and quiet. But I can tell you that if cops were called every second or third night as even the Griffin Centre has admitted … I would feel differently about this home. I would feel uneasy and perhaps unsafe.
            While we support these centres for the work they are doing with the kids that need it the most, I can also appreciate that the residents reached a limit of understanding.

          • estta

            Okay, but my point is that in all the coverage, we haven’t heard any not-awful comments or seen any proof that the rest of the neighbourhood even has an issue.

          • allyson

            It just happened!

          • torontothegreat

            There were a few that I read on CP24 and CBC, I can’t seem to find them right now though.

          • Sugarlarry

            Griffon Centre has not admitted to the cops coming every second or third night. They said they’ve been 3 times. Big difference.

            But even if it’s more, it could just be the growing pains of starting a new facility.

          • allyson

            3 times in what timeframe ? And yeah, perhaps it’s out of the ordinary, however, don’t you think this might affect the neighbours?

          • Sugarlarry

            I don’t know. Maybe it did affect the neighbours. But how much? Does simply seeing a police car upset them? Or did the police chase one of the patients naked across their lawn and slam them up against their living room window? It really depends.

            The fact of the matter is that people with disabilities have a right to live among us, not isolated on a farm as one of the neighbours suggested.

            Lots of people live near group homes like this and survive without too much trauma. Some of us even have people with autism living right in our homes!!! It seems like this is just a case of intolerant, ignorant suburbanites not wanting to be woken up from their suburban stupor.

            Who knows? If they make an effort to get to know the kids, they might actually learn that tolerance and compassion isn’t something you have about people living far away.

  • allyson

    I’m not sure about that – the staff of the Griffin Centre indicate that the police were called by them.

  • Still_Waters3

    So what? Police are called in communities for many reasons. The comments from those quoted in the media in fact do make it all about mental health, autism etc. Oh yes, you all care about those with problems, you just don’t want them around you. Make them invisible so you don’t have to see or hear them. After all, it’s really for their own good, not your self-interest, right? Please. Spare us your crocodile tears and protestations of fake caring. You should all be ashamed of your selfish selves.

  • Still_Waters3

    And it’s pretty funny that the best you have to offer in defense is “same to you.” How about actually addressing the issue, or are you scared the criticisms might actually be proven to be true?

  • OpportKnocks

    ;-)

  • OgtheDim

    Just because you say you care doesn’t mean you get to say what those people said.

  • OgtheDim

    Hey Doug,

    You keep talking about how you are such a great business man and love Sigma 6 for how it helps you make decisions.

    Yeah well, you didn’t exactly

    Define
    Measure
    Analyze
    Improve
    Control

    anything in this case, did ya?

    Follow your own gard darned Sigma 6 rules you think are so flipping wonderful, ya bonehead.

    Ur not a businessman….ur a gard darned second generation figure head running on the fumes of your Dad and the managers he put into Deco.

    Geez, what sort of a management type goes into a dispute without trying to figure out what the heck is actually going on first?!?!

    Oh, ya, a crappy one.

    The kind who thinks action is more important then the right action.

    If you had an ounce of business sense, you’d have gone into that meeting listening, instead of with both barrels blazing.

    But, ya don’t, cause ur a big blustering fraud who has no clue what it means to be a city councillor – and no, its not filling in potholes, ya big lunk. Its figuring out how to get things done, without defining what those things are before you start working on it.

    Twerp.

  • CYW

    Check your privilege.

  • trueptbo

    I’d MUCH rather live next to the Griffin Centre than live next to Doug Ford. Seriously.

  • bd

    Canada’s most punchable face.

  • tomy

    Get them to another facility. this is a residential street not a commercial Street or business.
    Thanks.
    Doug is right. Price values drop. Get them to a wooded or park surrounding area. Would be better than residential.
    Thanks.

    • OgtheDim

      Price values do not drop. There are homes like this all over the GTA.

    • Vanessa Sarges

      Maybe prices have dropped because of the Doug Ford’s association with crack smoking, illicit behaviour and his brother’s felonious friends?

      I know that I wouldn’t want to live on the same street as any of the Ford clan.

    • Still_Waters3

      These people are not running a commercial business. It is a residence with four or five people living there. Please tell me why they should have to go into the forest or into a “business” area to live. You aren’t doing that to your own family, yet you think those with disabilities are less deserving than you. You are part of the ugly side of our society, you and the Fords and those who think the same way.

  • Thierry Berno

    I’m French so it doesn’t concern me really. But can’t you guys just get rid of him ? I’m sure there are ways to do it. After all the things he’s done … It would actually look better to kick him out than to wait for the next elections. At least people abroad would’t think you are supporting his behavior. Then again, this is your call and I have no right to interfere. There are awful politics in France as well but this guy is a complete asshole.

    • Still_Waters3

      This is the older brother of our illustrious mayor. The whole family is toxic and, believe me, if we could get the two of them out of political office sooner, we would. They are like the guests who don’t realize they have worn out their welcome. They’ll have to be kicked to the curb, and even then, they probably won’t get it.

    • bobloblawbloblawblah

      Yes, asshole is the word that pretty much sums up Doug Ford. Even more than it sums up his buffoon brother, Rob. Toronto doesn’t have a mechanism to throw a councillor or Mayor out of office unless he/she is in conflict of interest or misses 3 consecutive council meetings. The next election is in October and I’m pretty sure Toronto will exorcize the Ford demons. It’s preferable that they be soundly defeated rather than removed from office (if this were possible) as a simply removal plays into their “martyr” complex. A thorough rebuke by a tired electorate sends them packing for good and leaves no room for doubt that the people of Toronto no longer want a part of either Ford.

    • nevilleross

      We could impeach him, but the danger of impeachment laws is that they can also be used against somebody progressive by the same people who voted for Ford and others like him, so our only chance is the ballot box, or Ford really being in rehab as long enough as he’s said to forfeit his being the mayor.

  • comeonseriously?

    These people, including Doug Ford are all ignorant, ungrateful and selfish. These people are a discriminatory toward the disabled as white supremacists are toward minorities.

  • feyenoord

    Uninformed comment

  • OgtheDim

    Cow patties

    a) Nobody fights these things quietly

    b) fighting things at the mere mention is the definition of “I DON”T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT PEOPLE ONCE IT AFFECTS THE VERY THOUGHT OF ME HAVING TO COMPROMISE”. Your heart only goes out to them until it affects your pocket book. Greed…..out and out greed.

    c) Homes like these do not automatically bring crime etc. into neighborhoods

    d) There is a home down the street from me. Guess what – there are condos going up ALL around it. And the value of the property in the areas…..over a million bucks. And the home is over 10 years old.

    e) The opposite of nimby is listening and being human and working things out. Try it some time.

    And, yeah, I’m being harsh. You deserve it.

    Condoning fighting something before you even hear what is going to be planned is no way to live a life.

    • Still_Waters3

      Well-said, Og. I deal with DD adults all the time and know first hand the prejudice that comes from ignorance. What gets me is that the ignorance appears to be willful. No attempt to get to know the DD residents or the staff who work there. Understanding is the key to getting along, but the residents complaining don’t seem to care about anyone but themselves.

  • OpportKnocks

    Yeah, the Fords have a knack for bringing out the worst in people.

  • wklis

    Where would these four kids be if they were down in such a facility? At their own home, maybe on the other side next door to the complainers. Causing the very same problem, or worse.

    At least here, they have 24/7 watch over them. At home, the parents may not be able to provide 24/7 because of work.

    Wouldn’t be the same as when the Ford brothers were kids the same age.

  • rcts

    In a nutshell they have helped “you”.
    Who have you helped?

  • rcts

    We have two more.
    Harper and Hudak.

  • rcts

    You are confusing hate with disgust.

  • OgtheDim

    Oh please……a) Doug isn’t the government
    b) people have been discussing politics and social issues via communication modes since the days of the Guttenberg press. I’m an Anabaptist (Mennonite) – its how my whole religious ideal got started – people arguing about what they were reading.

    As for talking about this now, if one person stops being a greedy selfish NIMBY because somebody explained to them that saying “my heart bleeds” means nothing if you don’t back it up with actions, then ya, its worth the bitching.

  • quidnunc

    Thanks Rob and Doug for finally putting Etobicoke on the map, but don’t you think some good local news for a change would help increase property values? Now that the world knows where the crack houses are and which parks you piss in, a house with three teenagers who are supervised 24/7 sounds like a real asset to your community.

  • dsmithhfx

    I don’t hate the Fords. I hate the fact that there are enough selfish, boneheaded losers to vote them into office where they can do real damage (and have).

    I only hope you know better now.

  • Still_Waters3

    Oh, so because the Fords have been nice to YOU, we aren’t allowed to criticize anything they do or say, because that makes us all childish. First you need to know that one of the characteristics of the immature mind is the inability to see beyond one’s own self-interest. Then you need to ask yourself who is being selfish in this whole debate, you and your heroes, or those of us defending the most vulnerable in our society, before you start telling others to “grow up.”

  • OgtheDim

    The Ford’s are vile.

    If you want proof, read what the Toronto Sun, that bastion of communism and socialism says about them

    mysoginist
    sexist
    racist
    homophobic

    pigs

    And that’s a quotation.

    Or just watch the various video tapes.

    That help you are getting……be careful you are not selling your soul for it.

  • Mojo

    I’ve lived across the street from a residential-type halfway home or similar (I never was able to find out what it was for exactly). My office overlooked their front porch, so it was not down the block or three streets over. If I opened my window, I could hear what they were saying word for word.

    Really, we all survived it.

  • Suicide Boi

    At least Ford is standing up for his constituents. I suspect other politicians wouldn’t be so brave.

    • Lutesuite

      Yah. Standing among a lynch mob to run some disabled kids out of town. Really brave.

    • Dinah Might

      Are the Griffin House residents not his constituents also?

    • Still_Waters3

      As the elected representative, Ford should be leading and standing up for what is right, not just slavishly repeating whatever someone’s told him. If we only expect our elected leaders to parrot whoever is talking, then we can just hire a bunch of clerks with voice recorders. There is nothing “brave” about telling voters what they want to hear.

    • torontothegreat

      Jay, the ekkies have infected your brain.

  • Lutesuite

    I thought even Joe Warmington, the Fords’ designated media sockpuppet, would find defending this beyond the pale. I obviously overestimated him:

    http://www.torontosun.com/2014/05/19/masked-in-doug-fords-autismgate-are-legitimate-concerns

    Shorter Warmington: “Doug has a point, because the gas plant scandal.”

  • vampchick21

    Horrible Human Being. ‘Nuff said. HATE!

  • vampchick21

    You are a horrible human being and should be ashamed of yourself. Period. End of Story.

  • vampchick21

    Do me a favour. Scroll back up to the top and re-read that quote. Now read it again as if a member of your family whom you loved was autistic.

    Now tell me how you feel.

    Bottom line, what he said was horrible, and makes him a horrible human being, period. You justifying such an attitude because they fixed your fucking potholes is horrible. the Fords ARE horrible, vile human beings and you and your ilk are just allowing them to continue to be horrible, vile human beings. This is wrong. VERY FUCKING WRONG.

  • quidnunc

    Enuf with the IRONY Doug – you’re killing me. Do you do Sarah Palin or Ann Coulter impressions at parties? I’d hire you if you did them in drag.

    • TheSotSays

      “Get out, get out, get out of my Chamber, you’re a disgrace!”

      Once again the NDP is the all time winner. It’s tough to beat Gord Perks doing his Kim Jung Il impression. I don’t know whether he does it at “parties” but it’s certainly a good laugh when he does it during working hours.

  • torontothegreat

    You forgot cis & queer bait.

    Oh, wait, you’re not playing the social buzzwords game? You’re gluten free aren’t you?

  • Notcleverguy

    I remember my youth, in my Etobicoke neighborhood where violent drug addicts were allowed to roam free, no one liked it at all, but nothing was ever done about those Ford children.

  • Notcleverguy

    I work with developmentally challenged people everyday, are there any other dumb challenges you’d like to put forth?

    • TheSotSays

      So you “work with developmentally challenged people everyday,” do you?

      Well that’s what you get for taking a trolling job at NDP headquarters for two bucks an hour.

  • christinaarcher

    How dare he? How dare he!! Doug- your attitude is wrong!!! Mr. Big Stuff, just who do think you are? Just who do you think you are, dissing those who can’t fight back!

    • bobloblawbloblawblah

      This is an attempt by Doug to keep the Ford brand name front and center. He’s inflaming this situation and playing the usual divisive politics that he and his brother are well known for. Doug’s horrible conduct around the Griffin Center issue is a perfect encapsulation of all that is wrong with the Brothers Dimm and why both brothers need to be banished from City Hall in October.

      • TheSotSays

        “banished from City Hall in October”

        Well last time around Rob got almost 400,000 votes in support of banishing the Miller Monkeys. So tell me again how many Junction trollers there are.

        No matter how you look at it, 400,000 voters determined to keep out the NDP is plenty more than enough to out-vote 5 mouthy Junction Trollers with the seats cut out of their parade pants.

  • bobloblawbloblawblah

    ” remember the Star reported investigating the land Dougie wanted to buy …”

    For the record, that was Rob that was trying to purchase the parkland beside his house.

  • torontothegreat

    HHHHhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaatttttteeeeeeerrrrrrrrrzzzzzzzzz!