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Extra, Extra: Another Subway Poll, Former Ford Ally Turns Tory, and Comedian Talks Dumb Starbucks

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  • In the wake of a recent poll that found 61 per cent of Torontonians would rather see an LRT than a subway in Scarborough, we have another poll that has found something entirely different: 55 per cent of Forum Research respondents are fans of the subway option. It’s always exciting when people on both sides of a debate get to point to their very own sets of numbers.
  • The Toronto Sun is reporting that Nick Kouvalis, Rob Ford’s campaign manager in 2010 and for a few months also his chief of staff, will work for John Tory’s mayoral campaign—if, of course, Tory decides he’d like to participate in a mayoral campaign. This presumably makes sense in that John Tory is better positioned than most to appreciate Kouvalis’s skills: he was, after all, frequently targeted for attack by that same 2010 Ford campaign.
  • Canadian comedian Nathan Fielder appeared on Jimmy Kimmel Live last night to talk about his short-lived Los Angeles pop-up sort-of coffee shop, Dumb Starbucks. He explained that while he had avoided certain legal issues by operating under “parody law”—”Technically, legally speaking, we’re an art gallery, and the coffee we’re selling is considered the art”—his store’s lack of health permits led to its being shut down by the health department. Which is a shame: if there is such a thing as parody law, it seems only fair there should also be parody health permits.

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  • OgtheDim

    Meh….one poll asks the pertinent question of cost, the other one (Forum) uses the qualifying phrase “above ground” before mentioning LRT.

    I think I know which of the two is more representative of reality.

    That and the Forum poll assumes an LRT vs. subway black and white one or the other only approach – this isn’t a freaking horse race, its getting millions of people to school, work, appointments, the store and home again. Pollsters who see things in only black and white are selling themselves, not selling information.

    • rich1299

      While it isn’t clear Forum did ask about costs they did find that people prefer subways over LRT “in general” but they also found the proposed LRT plan was favoured by most in direct comparison with the proposed Scarborough subway plan. Even in Scarborough its a statistical tie between the two plans, as opposed to the two modes of transit in general, at 42% for the LRT and 40% for the subway. The largest growth has been for undecided.

      While I always take Forum polls with a grain of salt in this case it seems to be the Toronto Star who either twisted the findings to make the case for a Scarborough subway or who only lightly skimmed the Forum news release.

  • Matt Patterson

    The Forum poll only found greater support for subways when they asked in general. It’s obvious that, in the abstract, people prefer the more expensive option. However, when presented with the details of the two competing plans, the LRT option was more popular (even among Scarborough residents). This puts the Forum Research poll results in line with the earlier Ledger results (which also included the details in the question).

    Questions about subways vs. LRTs in the abstract are useless. It’s like asking: “would you rather have a Lamborghini or a Honda Civic?” People’s answer would be very different than if you asked: “for your next car, would you be more likely to buy a Lamborghini for $400,000 or a Honda Civic for $20,000?”

  • Whaaa… ?

    ” we have another poll that has found something entirely different: 55 per cent of Forum Research respondents are fans of the subway option.”

    … they’re fans of the subway option when asked in a slanted way that leaves out key facts like fewer stops, a much higher price tag and the fact that both will have their own dedicated right-of-way.

  • Robert Merrill Taylor

    I took the photo of the Scarborough RT at Scarborough City Centre station on the first day of service when they were using two-car trains.

    • bobloblawbloblawblah

      They were forced to go to 4 train cars pretty quickly rendering that turnaround at Kennedy useless as a 4 car train couldn’t make it. They then had to adjust the platforms at Kennedy so that people could enter the cars on both sides. The Scarborough RT always seemed cursed by bad luck.