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Should the Toronto Children’s Aid Society Investigate Rob Ford?

The mayor has admitted to drug use, and there's evidence of other troubling behaviour like driving drunk. Is this a case for Children's Aid?

In a press conference on November 5, Rob Ford tried to put his admission that he had smoked crack behind him, saying whatever it was he did would “never, ever, ever” happen again.

Rob Ford is an admitted user of illegal drugs and has admitted to drinking so much that he falls into “drunken stupors.” There is a mountain of evidence that he consorts with drug dealers, and the police have described him as driving under the influence. The police have also attended at the Ford residence multiple times on domestic disturbance calls. Given all of this information, many people—now including some of his council colleagues—have asked why the mayor isn’t facing criminal charges. (There are at least some answers.)

And there’s another question some people are asking: Why hasn’t the Toronto Children’s Aid Society taken Rob Ford’s children?


According to the Child and Family Services Act, a child-protection worker can apprehend a child with a warrant if they have reasonable and probable grounds to believe that there is no other course of action available that can protect the child. They can apprehend a child even without a warrant if they believe that there would be a substantial risk to the child’s health or safety while the warrant was being obtained. In circumstances similar to Rob Ford’s, a CAS will often take a very active role, up to and including seizing the children.

Given the level of media exposure, we can be fairly sure that Rob Ford’s children have not been apprehended, but we cannot say whether Rob Ford’s family is under investigation by the TCAS, because investigations are kept strictly confidential. The (obvious) reason: the entire purpose of the CAS system is to ensure that children’s best interests are prioritized, and it is always in children’s best interests to be kept anonymous in traumatizing incidences such as those that would require their apprehension. (A typical investigation usually involves interviews with the parents and children, separately and/or together as the child-protection worker deems appropriate.)

As with criminal charges, some have said that if Rob Ford were poor, or a visible minority, or not the mayor of Toronto, TCAS would be a lot less cautious about apprehending his children. This concern is not without merit. Class does play a role in determining whether a CAS chooses to take significant action when investigating a family. (Race and ethnicity can also play a role when a CAS worker is unfamiliar with or judgmental of different cultural aspects of parenting; however, it is fair to say that if CASes investigate parents who are visible minorities more often, it is primarily because visible minorities are more greatly represented among low-income families.)

CASes work under tight budgetary constrictions. In Ontario, they are not actually governmental bodies but non-profit agencies with quasi-governmental powers, funded by a combination of donations and provincial money (the latter is based in part on the number of open files being handled).

CASes obviously prefer to avoid intense legal battles—which exacerbate tensions, prolong decisions, and put a greater strain on the agencies themselves—and will typically try to work with families to create a strategy to gradually return a child to his or her home if it is reasonable to do so. However, being under investigation by the CAS can create problems for a family in and of itself, in terms of the associated emotional distress and social stigma. (Although CAS investigations are confidential, the simple truth is that what typically initiates a CAS investigation is a concerned party reporting a family to the CAS—and that party is under no obligation to stay quiet.) That’s why, if a family has the means, it will often hire a lawyer to represent the parents in their proceeding with the CAS. This usually results in a proceeding that is more expensive for the agency and has less successful outcomes from the agency’s point of view.

Although there is certainly no official policy preventing a CAS worker from commencing a proceeding against a wealthy family if they believe a child is at serious risk—and no CAS worker worthy of the title would let anything stop them from apprehending a child they believed to be in imminent danger—the simple truth is that in cases where the status of the child is in question, and where the family is more able to make the CAS’s case difficult, child-protection workers are less inclined to open an investigation, much less apprehend involved children.

When the wealthy family is also the family of a mayor—and a mayor who has demonstrated a tendency to verbally attack anybody he feels is persecuting him—it is possible that TCAS, if it does think Rob Ford’s children might be at some risk by remaining in the home (and this is, still, an assumption), might choose to proceed very cautiously. This is not because it would be intimidated by Ford’s penchant for shooting his mouth off—again, if it felt the situation was dire, it would intervene no matter what—but because it might be concerned that if it initiated an investigation, Ford would make the matter public, and therefore subject his children to public scrutiny that the CAS would prefer they be spared.

Christopher Bird is a family law lawyer and associate at the Gene C. Colman Family Law Centre.

Comments

  • Justin Flontek

    I agree. A wife beating crackhead alcoholic, who hangs out with gang bangers shouldn’t have children.

  • tootsie

    Please…..child aid will do more harm than good….

  • worstmayorever

    just have uncle doug hand out 20s to the kids, then they’re good…

  • david cross

    Funny how this has jumped to “the kids, oh my god the kids”. The guy is a clown with horribly poor judgement and will experience a tragic end – no doubt. But there has been no evidence tosuggest that the kids are any better/worse off than your own.

    • HotDang

      When he took his toddler to what was pretty clearly a drug deal, that was evidence that his children were not being treated adequately.

    • appaulled

      Family violence is one of the biggest risk factors to a child’s well being

    • Alex2

      I have seen the devastation that is done to kids living with a dysfunctional parent especailly one who self medicates with alcohiol and drugs and especially one with uncontrollable rage and no impulse control. Hopefully the CAS involvement gets them into therapy so they are not permanently scared. They must be taught that their parents are not normal.

  • bobloblawbloblawblah

    Children’s Aid is not going to take away children of the rich. This won’t happen.

    • nevilleross

      They have to start sometime; otherwise, how will it look to see other dealt with, but not people like Ford?

  • dsmithhfx

    “Ford is an addict, but he’s a pretty high-functioning one under the circumstances.”

    Not.

    • abrokenmanonahalifaxpier

      I admit it depends on how low your standards are.

  • luvnnana

    “CASes obviously prefer to avoid intense legal battles—which exacerbate
    tensions, prolong decisions, and put a greater strain on the agencies
    themselves—and will typically try to work with families to create a
    strategy to gradually return a child to his or her home if it is
    reasonable to do so” Before making such a glaring erroneous statement you might want to look into the number of cases in court, and if you can, access information regarding exactly how willing CAS is to work with families to create a gradual return. Bottom line, if Ford was not Mayor; his children would have already been apprehended. Heck it’s likely they would have been apprehended at the first mention that got to the local CAS ears of any issue regarding drug use, true or not.

    If Rob Ford and his family were not of the privileged few, CAS would have taken his children, I have no doubt in my mind, especially given the press coverage.

    My personal opinion is that his children would be worse off for their doing so. There are many children worse off for CAS in Ontario.

    A parent shooting their mouth off in defense of themselves and their children to the CAS is considered something to use against parents in the apprehension of their children (normally).

    The fact that Rob Ford is in a position to expose the terrible tactics used by CAS to apprehend children, even in his case (never mind the ones they take from loving, caring families!) has everything to do with why his children haven’t been apprehended.

    If you; Christopher Bird can get the information, why don’t you do an article on the mothers, that because they had prior drug use (even though they quit while pregnant) have never been allowed to attempt to parent, because their babies have been taken by CAS from the Hospitals! Or the young parents in this province who have been targeted by CAS and have been stressed by their intrusion and that FACT that CAS apprehends babies in the hospital on the sleaziest of reasons. Why don’t you take the initiative to expose exactly what is going on in this province? Why CAS has no fear of exposing children to the physical and emotional repercussions of taking them from their families and putting them in care as a FIRST resort? How about an article on why the POOR are targeted by CAS ( if you don’t believe me just take a day to attend any family court on CAS day…I think many places hold it on Tuesdays. Use your reporter’s eye, see the real story. Alberta reporters did it on 145 deaths in more than 10 years in the care of CAS, take look to the stats in Ontario, I dare you!

    • Alex2

      The CAS do not take away children unless they are in imminent danger and even then will return them to the home with follow up visits to monitor the situation. Only in cases of a drug addicted parent with no visible means of support will they remove the child.

  • luvnnana

    “Actual forced removal of children from a home is a last-ditch nuclear option” BS! Do some research to the untainted CAS garbage that is spewed by the CAS corporations that PROFIT from the removal of children from their natural families! I have heard of at least 30 cases ( more than 30 children) that were ripped from their families for nothing more than rumors, and unfounded accusations, despite PROOF that accusations were unfounded at the time of apprehension! You need to do more research and see the truth! Take some time and research what is actually going on, before you pop to the defense of a family that would (if they didn’t have the influence or $$$ that the Fords do;) have had their children taken away at the first mention of a “crack video”. If you are sincere in your desire to help children, you will take the time to look at what is going on in this province, re CAS and their keeping their coffers full. What you have been led to believe, is not the actual truth. Be proactive investigate this, so you can stand firm in your belief. I can say this without worry because I know that the facts will prove to you that your stance is misguided.

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    • tyrannosaurus_rek

      Where would you recommend one begin this unbiased proactive investigative research? Who are the corporations benefiting?

      • Christopher Bird

        I believe the previous commenter is referring to the fact that CASes are organized as non-profit corporations and their funding from the province is directly related to the number of open files they have each month. “Profit” may not be the right way to describe it, but there is definitely a financial incentive (if even only one subconsciously exercised) for the CAS to open files more readily and keep them open longer than they otherwise would.

        • tyrannosaurus_rek

          There must be some sort of oversight to prevent CAS from opening hundreds of cases without cause.

          • luvnnana

            That is why many people are calling out for Ombudsman oversight with Bill 42, because in reality there is no oversight..

      • luvnnana

        I would suggest you go down to the Family Court or a Tuesday ( I think they usually do CAS cases on Tuesdays) Take a look at the clientele.

        Google the Sunshine lists for the cities and towns around you and scroll down to the CAS folk who make over $100k.

        Look into CAS’s own reports and see how much of the money they get yearly actually goes to help families, it’s all out there, all available to the person who actually wants to find out the truth.

        Take a look at their own facts and figures, the reports are available on the internet.

        You can do this for your local CAS’s or if you want a broader picture of Ontario you can look at the Ontario Association of Children’s Aid Societies reports. Oh yes and also look up the Provincial Advocate for child and youth reports, the one called 90 DEATHS NINETY VOICES SILENCED ANNUAL REPORT 2007—2008 was quite an eye opener for me.
        As Christopher Bird replied, CAS’s are not run by the government, the are publicly funded, but are corporations. And the newspapers are good sources too, earlier this year there was a leaked memo that came out of CAS, asking their workers to keep cases open (to pad their books). Watch a documentary called As Powerful as God, that has so good information where you can find more points for investigation. Hope this info is enough to get you started.

        • tyrannosaurus_rek

          Thank you. Honestly I didn’t expect a reply.

    • Alex2

      Sounds like you have been targetted by the CAS yourself and did not receive good treatment. I am sorry for you.

  • Alex2

    I agree there is one law for the rich and one for the poor. The middle class fall somewhere in between. I would expect that a file has already been opened up on Rob and Renata given that 23 division has been to numerous domestic brawls at their house. The police are mandated reporters. But I agree there is one law for the rich and one for the poor. The middle class fall somewhere in between. With Ford especially, he calls everything against him political, so kidd cloves must be used.
    As Chief Blair has said withour fear or favour. Who knows they may already be under scrutiny based on 23 division’s calss and now especially after the ITO documents were released.
    The real problem is his kids are growing up with a verbally abusive (and possibly physically abusive) parent. He has no impulse control. He self admits to drinking to excess and smoking crack. Others claim to have smoked pot in his house with the kids upstairs.
    This is the problem, the kids think this is normal parenting. That is the abuse.

  • Fred

    Very few people would do the things that Rob Ford (I can’t call him Mayor anymore) would do. Even fewer would be so out of control as to do them while holding the city’s highest office. Drugs, gang and other criminal affiliations, public drunkenness (and stupors as Rob puts it), dozens of 911 calls to his home. The man apparently arrived at the Garrison Ball, drunk, driving and with his kids in tow! Couple this with the accounts of his wife being bruised, despondent and Children’s Aid could make a very sound case for investigating. What more evidence could they want?

    • Alex2

      I think they are already on the case.

  • Diggersin

    After some reflection, it occurs to me that this is twice in a matter of weeks that Rob Ford has publicly involved his family in matters of sexual innuendo. Grab the kids and Renata at the same time.

    • Alex2

      Yes I truly believe Renanta may be an abused spouse. She presented as such to me when Rob dragged her to his press conference to apologize about the pu**sy comment. This may explain her self medication with drugs and alcohol herself. Rob and Renata are in my view a truly toxic combination and the kids are caught in the middle. The whole Ford family appear to be dysfunctional. |and this is what those poor children are growing up to be.

  • appaulled

    In the province I live in, the profile of this family, as presented in the media, an investigation would absolutely occur. I have worked as a CPS worker In two provinces and if we received this type of report there would be an investigation but not automatically a removal of the children. The investigation would look at the risk factors Mr Ford presents and assess Mrs Fords ability to protect the children. Family violence situations harm children emotionally. Drug involvement increases the unpredictability as well as the potential for both neglect and accidental harm to the children. Mr Ford stated publicly that his wife has issues but he has stood by her. She has had alcohol related involvement with the police. When you add up all the risk factors, an investigation would be warranted and if found to be true, at the very least, services would be offered.

    • Alex2

      I totally agree and possibly this is why Rob has gone on the wagon. The CAS can order random hair analysis.

  • appaulled

    I would be very surprised if they have not been investigating, but the whole point of confidentiality is to protect the well being of the children. This is taken very seriously so I doubt it would ever become public what CAS is doing. I personally have never worked in Ontario, but all provinces have similar policies, procedures and laws. I have personally investigated very high profile people and it was never reported in the media because such investigations are done discretely. That does not mean the investigations are not thorough. They are usually assigned to very senior workers to guard against intimidation and to ensure they are conducted in a thorough manner.

    • Dave

      This would not be “news worthy” if it had nothing to do with Mayor Ford.
      Media has already dragged his Wife through the mud . Now they are wanting to harass his children .
      No moral fibre at all. It’s disgusting .

      • Doug Earl

        So you’re catching on that Rob Ford’s behaviour is newsworthy. Welcome to the party; now stay tuned.

      • dsmithhfx

        A lot of shit has gone down chez Fords. His wife’s called the cops on him, his mother in law’s called the cops on him, his drug-addict sister got shot in the face by her ex-boyfriend/dealer right in his mom’s house. The point is, almost any other family the CAS would have been called in for an investigation.

        He’s shamelessly used his kids as a shield from the press (usually by lying about the kids’ presence at various incidents), just as he did when he lied about Daniel Dale taking pictures of his kids. He even paraded his wife in front of a press conference where he apologized for an incredibly crude remark he blurted out — at a press conference.

        He refuses to grant interviews to the news media except a few, hand-picked marshmallows (like Conrad Black), and won’t answer questions at his press conferences. So that’s why the media camps out in front of his house.

        He is hiding from them, yet as a public official he has an obligation to communicate with the public — that means everyone, not just robocalling his supporters. The only way to do that is through the media. He has to answer questions, not just say whatever he wants us to hear (mostly self-serving lies).

        As I’ve said before, if he really wants the circus to end (and that is doubtful), he can always resign from public office. As long as he wants to remain in the public eye, he must face the media, one way or the other.

      • Bobby Ghosh

        The media didn’t drag Ford’s wife through the mud. Rob Ford did.

      • tyrannosaurus_rek

        It wasn’t the media boasting about frequently performing oral sex on Mrs. Ford.

  • appaulled

    That is not true. Apprehension is the last option ever chosen. Family preservation is alway preferred. The difference between rich and poor clients treatment often is more related to the ability of rich families to pay for services to address risk factors ( ie private treatment for substance abuse, private boarding school, hiring a nanny, etc) if the family is able to address risk factors, then a Social Worker is unlikely to take the children. It is not favouritism but a question of addressing risk. Underfunding of Child Welfare services often means poor families, who cannot purchase their own services, have kids taken. The more services available the less the reason to take kids.

  • appaulled

    That is indeed one of many risk factors in families where substance abuse is presence.

  • Ian Coutts

    Paragraph #4 clearly says that race is often a factor. Regardless, your “guess” about the heritage of the author is baseless and irrelevant.

  • Jim

    What is the point of this article. The CAS is not going to take his children. We know this. The Toronto Star has been trying this angle for the last 2 years. It hasn’t worked. Obviously the author is concerned very much about the Ford’s children – very admirable. I’m sure the author is not trying to insinuate anything that is not the truth or saying anything defamatory about Ford and his family. I understand this author is married and has children and understands the issues all families have from time to time.

    • Alex2

      I would hope that the CAS is involved with home visits checking on the home life and interviewing the children. They can order drugs tests for the parents especially now that Ford has openly admitted smoking crack. The CAS cannot deny knowledge of the famous video of Rob ranting and raving about killing someone in 10 minutes. He felt comfortable saying that to whomever was in his company…..so he would feel comfortable acting that way around his children. The ITO documents his similar drug induced ranting and swearing to his chief of staff while being driven around by his drug dealer with his kids in the back seat with him, That is the abuse! His kids think this is normal parenting. Renata apparently has her own problems. The ITO documents drug dealers smoking pot with her and Rob when the kids were upstairs. That is the abuse.

  • sanwin

    Fair is fair.

    George Smitherman is an acknowledged user of hard party drugs. His husband was missing for a few days and was found curled up in an unconscious state near a well know crackhouse.

    I expect Childrens Services to intervene and take away their two adopted children.

    • dsmithhfx

      What’s your source on that?

      • OgtheDim

        Somebody making stuff up on the Toronto Sun comments.

        Regardless, sanwin assumes the argument for Ford and his kids is political.

        Its not.

        • dsmithhfx

          I thought as much.

      • sanwin

        Source for which part ? The self confessed drug use or the missing
        husband crack house part ?

        http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2010/08/19/15078941.html

        http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/09/11/christopher-peloso-george-smithermans-husband-found-alive-reports-say-had-been-missing-since-monday-evening/

        So, do you think Child Services should intervene ? If not, why not ?

        • dsmithhfx

          Apparently you haven’t even read your “sources”, because neither one supports your claim.

          • sanwin

            Which part would I have missed ?

            This one ?

            In 2006, Smitherman admitted he had a drug problem with stimulants, which lasted five years.

            or this one ?

            The railway tracks where Mr. Peloso was found run just north of Dupont Street. Just a two-minute walk south is 1011 Lansdowne Avenue, an apartment that was known as ‘Crack Tower’ in the 90s and early 2000s. The building, which has housed patients discharged from CAMH, has since cleaned up its reputation but the surrounding neighbourhood has remained much the same.
            Arash Amini works at Jomar Electric, a lighting distribution warehouse that sits at the dead-end of St. Clarens Avenue. The only thing that separates Jomar Electric from the railway where Mr. Peloso was found is a chain-link fence, which Mr. Amini tried to peer through when he heard police helicopters fly overhead.
            Along the tree-dense area of the fence lie a mattress, empty beer bottles, gang tags along the back of a wooden shed.

            Mr. Amini, 28, said he doesn’t understand what Mr. Peloso was doing in the area.

            “There’s no reason to be here,” he said. “If you live here it’s because it’s affordable or because you’re into a certain lifestyle.”

            Maybe you are the one you can’t read ?

          • dsmithhfx

            Now re-read the articles. Points for comprehension, if it’s not too much ask.

          • sanwin

            No need to. I posted some of the salient points in my response above.

            Here’s a tip for you. When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

          • dsmithhfx

            You should take your own advice. But here’s a couple of clues: Smitherman admitted he had a drug problem, and went through rehab before entering politics, and before adopting children (that’s in the article you linked to). Rob Ford admits he has used drugs while mayor (and police have documented him meeting with drug dealers within the last few months), but doesn’t admit he has a drug problem, and refuses to go into rehab. The apartment building near where Smitherman’s husband was found was: “known as ‘Crack Tower’ in the 90s and early 2000s [and] has since cleaned up its reputation” (that’s in the stuff you pasted above). The house Rob Ford was known to have frequented, and even payed the utility bills for, is still identified by the police as “a known crack house”. See the difference? Comprehension, try it on for size!

          • sanwin

            I never said that Smitherman was a CURRENT drug user.

            and

            but the surrounding neighbourhood has remained much the same……

            Along the tree-dense area of the fence lie a mattress, empty beer bottles, gang tags along the back of a wooden shed.

            Mr. Amini, 28, said he doesn’t understand what Mr. Peloso was doing in the area.

            “There’s no reason to be here,” he said. “If you live here it’s because it’s affordable or because you’re into a certain lifestyle.”

            Gee, I wonder what ‘remained the same’ means.

            Gee, I wonder what ‘because its affordable or because you’re into a certain lifestyle’ means.

            I’m sure Christopher P. wasn’t there because he was looking for affordable accommodation.

            Maybe it was his ‘certain lifestyle’ then.

            Try again, you might eventually get it.

          • torontothegreat

            Here’s a tip for you. When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

          • sanwin

            Nope, the area Christopher P. is NOT a drug infested den any longer.

            No siree.

            http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2011/02/16/police_officer_acquitted_of_assaulting_drug_dealer.html

            http://www.dyanmarie.com/greenspots/vinepeople/vinpeoplemovie.html

            Now self aggrandizing Toronto dude, put down that shove.

          • torontothegreat

            “but the surrounding neighbourhood has remained much the same……”

            Sorry but it is not the same at all, I don’t know where you get that info from. I have friends living and buying 1/2 million dollar condos in that area. A metro is opening up, by the time a Metro is opening, gentrification started happening years ago.

            Along the tree-dense area of the fence lie a mattress, empty beer bottles, gang tags along the back of a wooden shed.

            Perhaps you’re not from Toronto than?

            The links you provide are supposed to be what? Some rasta got jumped by police with possession of nothing on him? Some pictures of some mattresses and a sketchy building which I guess to you, encapsulates an entire area? Nearsighted.

            Also, update your sources:

            http://www.thestar.com/life/food_wine/restaurants/2013/03/14/in_bloordale_the_arrival_of_three_new_restaurants_heralds_the_blooming_of_a_gentrified_neighbourhood.html

            TLDR:

            There’s access to transit, proximity to downtown and retail shopping. Semi-detached houses with good bones sell for $600,000. Fully detached Victorians houses fetch up to $1 million. And not just on desirable Margueretta St. or Wallace Ave. A customer at French-Filipino Janer’s Bakery (679 Lansdowne Ave.) boasts of buying her two-bedroom townhouse near Dupont St. and Lansdowne Ave. two years ago for $330,000 and listing it for $480,000 now.

            And…

            Now self aggrandizing Toronto dude, put down that shove.

            self aggrandizing[sic] Toronto dude? What are you, from Grimsby or something?

          • tyrannosaurus_rek

            Your reading comprehension is lacking. The building was “known as” a crack house a decade ago but has been cleaned up (was it actually a crack house? the article doesn’t clarify that at all). The area still has a reputation, but there’s no mention of a crack house in the area, or any evidence whatsoever that Peloso was there. I’m surprised to see this schlock printed in the Post rather than the Sun.

  • Dave

    A) He has not been charged with anything because he has broken no laws.
    B) Has the media not harassed Mr. Ford and his family . Camping out in front of his house 24/7 for months harassing him and his neibours , taking pictures of his children on Halloween , his extended family at his cottage , stalking his wife.
    Clearly the media has no authentic concern for the wellbeing of his children . This is just another attack on the Mayor to fulfill the secret agenda to remove Mayor Ford from office so they can stick there heads in the public trough again.
    Note to self …never use the services of Crisstafer Turkey.

    • dsmithhfx

      A) He has not been charged yet.

      B) He is the mayor, and his public stunts and the police investigation into his extracurricular activities (which he often pursued during working hours) have brought him, and us, international notoriety. If Ford really wanted to end the circus (and that is doubtful; he seems to crave the attention), he could resign from public office.

      • Dave

        A) You must be psychic if you can predict the future. It goes like this :charge , presumed innocent , trial , conviction OR acquittal. Just like t5he way YOU would want to be treated.
        B) The Mayor doesn’t have fixed “working hours” otherwise he would be getting a lot of overtime for attending meeting that go late into the night and public functions that he attends on weekends. Your comment implies that he is “on” 24/7 and therefore has no right to any personal time whatsoever .

        • dsmithhfx

          No I am not psychic. The police investigations released by the court reveal the sordid activities pursued by the mayor at all hours of the day, include meetings with a drug dealer, visiting a crack house, numerous phone calls between him, his associate and occasional driver, and gangbangers who were trying to blackmail him. Hours when he claimed to be at work — and indeed, was supposed to have been at work. 24/7? Are you kidding? The mayor is up to his eyeballs in criminal associates, yet he publicly proclaims under questioning from a city councillor and former ally that he has “zero tolerance” for drugs and gangs. what kind of a lying, slimy hypocrite are you backing? Your friend asks if the media thinks you are stupid. Dude, after posting shit like that, everybody thinks you are stupid.

    • tyrannosaurus_rek

      Rob Ford himself admitted he broke the law – use/possession of crack cocaine is a violation of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.

      • Dave

        Please quote the EXACT section of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act that you are referring to . Mayor Ford may have admitted publicly that he USED drugs and has not been charged with any drug related crimes. I’ve smoked pot. Should I be charged with a crime ? The Controlled Drugs and Substances Act only deals with Acts around POSSESSION of drugs.
        Prove me wrong….what Section?

        • dsmithhfx

          He publicly confessed. Hello?

        • tyrannosaurus_rek

          Part 1 – 4. (1): Except as authorized under the regulations, no person shall possess a substance included in Schedule I, II or III. [Cocaine is a Schedule I substance.]

          Part 1 – 4. (3) Every person who contravenes subsection (1) where the subject-matter of the offence is a substance included in Schedule I (a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding seven years; or (b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable (i) for a first offence, to a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months, or to both, and (ii) for a subsequent offence, to a fine not exceeding two thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year, or to both.

          A legal opinion obtained by the CBC:

          Last week, before Rob Ford’s admission that “Yes, I have smoked crack cocaine,” defence lawyer Mike Lacy told CBC News that smoking crack is illegal under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act. The actual criminal offence would be possession. Lacy explained that’s because possession, “happens concurrently with the smoking of it, and when you are dealing with crack it is consumed quickly, but there is a period of time where there would be possession.”

          • Dave

            Great. So you agree with me because Mayor Ford was in possession at the time that he admitted to smoking the crack . Unfortunately ,for the hidden agenda folks , he was not found to be in possession by the Police at the time he was consuming (possessing) the crack . That would explain why he was not criminally charged . I parked at an expired parking meter today . So by me publicly making that confession I should expect the Parking Enforcement Unit to come to my house in a few weeks to give me a parking ticket?
            The hole in your argument is that a confession after the fact is useless to the Police without the physical evidence.
            I can confess to murder but the Police would still need to produce evidence to support that confession to obtain a conviction.
            The Police never caught him “red handed” so with out the crack there can’t be a charge and without a charge there can be no conviction.
            NOT CRIMINALLY GUILTY.
            I understand that you’d like it to be different , but it’s not.

          • tyrannosaurus_rek

            You claimed he didn’t break the law, I proved you wrong. He wasn’t caught, but he confessed. QED.

  • iguana

    Do the children have shelter? Clothing? Food? Are they attending school? Do they exhibit any signs of being physically or sexually abused?

    If the answer is yes to the first three questions and no to the fourth, CAS won’t and shouldn’t do anything about apprehending the children. If they feel the family could be helped by some counseling, and whose family wouldn’t, they might put together a service plan to help family dynamics? They may even investigate based on calls/complaints, but parents have to be very egregiously bad parents…very egregiously bad, before children will be removed from their custody. It’s CAS’s mandate to not only protect children from harm, but to keep families together, not take them apart.

    RoFo may be a bad role model, and behave badly at times, and there may be issues of family violence, but wealth and standing in the community have nothing to do with CAS not taking his kids away, as if this question needs to be raised. If we were talking about a family of a visible minority, living on social assistance in a very dangerous part of town with the same concerns re addictions and behaviours, CAS would not take the kids away as long as they have food, shelter clothing, attend school and show no visible signs of abuse.

    Crack smoking, drunk driving, associates of underworld gangs and thugs have children too, and if we were to take away the children of all people who have RoFo’s profile, i.e. nefarious substance abusers, there wouldn’t be enough foster families to care for them. Not that putting children in foster care will keep them 100% safe.

    Yes, RoFo’s a pathetic role model, I agree. One day, he too may get that, but it will take an supernatural event for him to get it, so steeped is he in the dysfunctional thinking of a functioning substance abuser, especially one as successful as he. Until then, his kids are his kids, and he’s free to be a bad role model, as long as he is not an egregiously bad parent, which he is not.

    He provides, and from the perspective of CAS, that’s good enough. Though we may disagree with how he lives his life, we can’t take away his kids based on our values and beliefs alone.

    • Dave

      Very well presented …..therefore don’t expect any other replies other than the usual personal attacks .

      • dsmithhfx

        Did you like this part: “RoFo may be a bad role model, and behave badly at times, and there may be issues of family violence”?

  • topogigio007

    The media really thinks that we ordinary people are stupid. This is just another article that is proving that the media creates the news to push their circulation. The funny thing and I love it is that its backfiring and the more crap the media spews the stronger the Fords backing gets. The media is making Toronto look bad in the eyes of the world not Ford.

    • Dave

      It’s not even sad anymore . The attacks on the Mayor are relentless and clearly demonstrates that there is a hidden agenda to over throw an elected official at any cost. Harassing him on a daily basis outside his personal residence , his office and his family business. Nothing is out of bounds , his Brother, Wife , Parents , neighbours and now his children.
      Pathetic .

      • dsmithhfx

        The mayor is an elected official who has been caught in inexcusable behaviors, and lied repeatedly about it to all of us, and that is the sad shame of it. He should have taken that step of admitting he has an addiction problem and gone into rehab. Read Don Peat’s column in the Sun, “The Road Not Taken”. It’s a tragedy for him and his family, and for the whole city. The man is a disgrace, he has betrayed all the people who voted for him. It’s really sad that a hard core of ‘supporters’ want to enable his continuing downward spiral of self-destruction because just like the jerk you voted for, you can’t admit you made a mistake. But he is a spent force politically, and now he will never be elected again. You made sure of it.

      • Alex2

        Dave…..city council took away his powers and neutered him until the next election. As it should be. Rob is dangerous. He should not have any power.
        But it is Rob Ford himself that is now creating “issues” to keep himself in the news and not the other way around

    • Alex2

      Listen when Rob Ford ran for mayor, the media kept quiet about the best kept secret at city hall that Rob abused alcohol and possibly drugs. As it should be. City councillors had also been polite about his lack of intelligence. My gawd after 10 years of sitting on council, making no friends, voting against every motion, not understanding motions and how city hall works even to the point of never reading the code of conduct, they could have exposed him as being unfit for the job, but kept quiet. It wasn’t their place to make such a personal attack.

      But when Rob’s person demons took over and escalated into his cavorting with known criminals, bringing them into city hall jobs, being drunk at city functions and sexually assaulting a female councillor, it became HUGE PROBLEM for the city and the world wide media picked up on his antics.

      It was not his political agenda that was the “problem” it was the man himself. He clearly has a personality disorder and was self medicating with alcohol and drugs and clearly raised the worry that he was unfit to make major policy decisions.

      As Dr. Oren Amitay of Global News describes….he is a serial liar. There is no cure for this type of disorder.

      So I say thank you to the media for exposing Rob Ford

      • topogigio007

        The media kept quiet because they never ever thought he could win and even if he did, they never thought he could cut out the feeding at the trough. As Mayor he has done a great job. I frankly couldn’t give a damn about his personal life. If we were to look into every persons especially all councilors lives as deep as we have Rob Fords, I think you would be surprised at how much would be found. Many of these councilors have taken bribes and favors in exchange for various things in this city. Olivia Chow will be in for some huge surprises if she runs for Mayor. There are many people out there that will come forward and expose her and some others for what they really are. This is where Rob Ford gets his saying that “the next election will be a blood bath”.

        • dsmithhfx

          Don’t you get it? The media weren’t looking into his personal life — the cops are ! That is newsworthy. Rob wants a “bloodbath”, because that is the kind of crack-induced imagery that has taken over his fevered mind and raving mouth. Maybe you think it’s cute; everyone else thinks it’s pathetic.

          • topogigio007

            The cops are looking into his personal life because there is political pressure on them to do so. The Toronto (rag) Star started the ball rolling. Do you not find it interesting that when Doug Ford asked D. M. Wong if he had ever done any drugs that Wong looked straight ahead and gave no answer? It will be interesting how council reacts when a motion is put forward by Georigio M. and Seconded by Ford to test all councilors for drugs. There are many people on council who drive drunk, take illegal drugs and hang out with shady business men. When I vote for Rob Ford next Oct, at least I know what im getting unlike when the left ran our city into debt by giving raises to all the unions behind closed doors (incamra).. I have not seen much in camra voting since Ford became Mayor. We amalgamated this city to cut back on overlapping services and to save the taxpayers money. When the left wing took over this city there were approx. 34,000 civic employees and when Miller left Toronto there were over 52,000

          • dsmithhfx

            “The cops are looking into his personal life because there is political pressure on them to do so.”

            Nope, wrong again. the cops are looking into it because there is considerable evidence that he is involved in criminal activity, and the integrity of his office has been compromised because of it. Look at the timeline of their investigation: it started long before Gawker broke the story of the crack video, which the Star just repeated after it had been scooped. So the cops started the ball rolling, not the Star.

          • topogigio007

            Again, why has he not been charged? Simply because the people you take pictures with have no bearing on anything although the left wing wish they could make it stick. It doesn’t matter that these left wing idiots play us for fools does it. Do yourself a favor and take a look at whos connected to which councilor and who has contracts with the city. Does it not bother you that the Miller gang would hire a consultant to study the feasibility of the Gardner expressway every 2 years at a cost of half a mill every time? Does it not bother you that council under Miller passed all sorts of insane bylaws that made no sense one of them being that there has to be a cop at every job site being paid time and a half. They even passed a bylaw to have exit signs put in all fire halls as if firefighter couldn’t get out of their own building. All city building had their toilet removed and replace with water saving toilets at a cost of over $1000 per unit (love to be that contractor) It goes on and on and on. This is the stuff that Ford wants to stop but he hasn’t even gotten the door open yet…what will he find if and when he does? The left dosnt want you to know>

          • vampchick21

            What bothers me is people who look the other way when a high ranking politician has personal issues that interfer with his work on top of his own inability to perform the actual job, and are willing to be distracted by what amounts to nickel and diming over office budgets and fucking toilets. If you want to be a fiscal conservative, first look up what that is, have someone smarter than you (your grade school aged child will come in handy) explain the big words, and then seek a politician who actually IS a fiscal conservative, not a nickel and diming personal millionare with severe intelligence issues coupled with drunken stupors and crack cocaine.

        • Alex2

          I disagree topogigio007. Rob has not done a great job…only in his own mind. Yes I agree he has cut councillors budgets and his own budget…but he increased user fees (which he counts as savings) for community centres etc. and decreased revenue into city hall by eliminating his vehicle tax putting more onus on house taxes to cover those forgone revenues. And all the sunk casts for the LRT just to buy votes with his 3 stop subway. Plus Webster’s severance of $500,000…i couldf go on and on. He just runs around counting paper clips at city hall and crying waste waste waste so as to tap into your anger.
          But I see from your comment that you are one of the typical Ford supporters who hate all politicians…, that is how he got elected…he tapped into this anger…and I feel your anger….but to praise a crude rude bully who is stupid (ferris wheels on the portlands and casinos for his criminal friends) who brings criminals into city business is a menace.

          • Alex2

            Maybe Ford’s new slogan will be…..I may be stupid and ruin the city but don’t worry I won’t take any kickbacks because I am filthy rich. I may support drug dealers but they are really nice guys and we need to halp them make a living. Everybody deserves a second chance. I may drink to excess but that is on my own time. I may not understand what is happening at city hall but Doug can help me on that.

  • Alex

    We have two tier policing.
    This Rob Ford guy should be heading for court and the prisoners box.

    • Dave

      I hope you get charged one day and have a Trial by a Jury of like minded people.

      • topogigio007

        There has been an agenda right from the day he announce that he was running and it all became very clear when they wanted to investigate why Rob and a few other councilors were spending so little in their office budgets instead of those councilors that were spending the max year after year.

        • tyrannosaurus_rek

          Councillor office budgets are there to be spent, and represent a fraction of a per cent of the city’s total operating budget. If Rob Ford, a millionaire (inherited), can afford to pay his office budget out of pocket, good for him. Nobody asked him or expected him to.

          • topogigio007

            So the other councilors who are not millionaires and kept there spending low are just luck I guess. Don you find It strange that its mostly the left wing councilors that spend the most? The fact the you think the money is there to be spent shows your left wing mentality. There will always be money there to be spent as long as taxes are continually raised. The left wingers in this city got us into this trouble to start with and now they cant stand being dragged away from their freebies at the trough. Councilors that don’t care about office budgets couldn’t give a hoot about the rest of OUR tax dollars. They think its a bottom less money barrel.

          • dsmithhfx

            Cheapskate councillors who fail to spend their office budgets to communicate with and benefit constituents are cheating their own wards, and only because Rob Ford told them to.

            Millionaire politicians who toss around a handful of twenties at a TCHC building and then run away are just trying to buy votes.

            But Rob is two-faced: he hires staff on city salaries paid for by you and me for his own personal servants, coaching assistants, and to score drugs and booze for him. That is gravy my friend, every bit as much as any councillor’s retirement party, or animal costume rental for a children’s festival.

          • topogigio007

            Mostly hears say from the media and you fall for it.
            Laughable.

          • dsmithhfx

            No, that’s evidence given to the police by many of his former staff. He’s had quite a turnover of staff, doncha think?

          • topogigio007

            And has he been charged yet alone convicted of anything?
            Thought so.

          • dsmithhfx

            Is that the best thing you can say about him?

          • topogigio007

            Can the same be said about you? I believe that we live in a country where one is innocent until proven guilty. All this talk and no charges. Either there is lots of talking or we have an incompetent police dept. Pick one or the other.

          • tyrannosaurus_rek

            Luck has nothing to do with it; different councillors have different needs, and some wards have larger populations than others (Ward 19: 77,000; Ward 27: 79,000; Ward 39: 55,000; Wards 7: 52,000, for example), which may necessitate larger staffs and more frequent community interaction, thus more supplies.

            And if you bother to take a look at their expense records, you’ll see left- and right-wing councillors scattered all over the list (compare Layton at $11,000 to Minnan-Wong at $23,000).

            (All of this haggling over councillor office budgets is a pointless distraction. Even if each office had double the allocation, the combined amount would still be less than 1% of the city’s total budget. If you want to wring your hands over where your tax dollars are going, look at Toronto Police Services and their ballooning expenses.)

            Taxes are continually raised because the cost of everything is constantly going up, and the population increases so services need to be expanded to keep pace. Why don’t conservatives understand this? $100,000 worth of services in 2003 now costs nearly $120,000 due to inflation alone, to which you’ll need to add the change in fuel costs, salaries, etc. Expecting taxes to stay the same is like expecting to walk into a store and pay 2003′s prices.

          • torontothegreat
          • topogigio007

            Oops, you better look at the BIG picture my friend.

            Compare the 2010 (Millers last year) to2011 and 2012 office budget with Ford in charge.

            http://app.toronto.ca/tcer_web/Controller?action=1&selectedYear=2010
            http://app.toronto.ca/tcer_web/Controller?action=1&selectedYear=2012
            http://app.toronto.ca/tcer_web/Controller?action=1&selectedYear=2012

  • torontothegreat

    Doesn’t Ontario have a zero-tolerance policy with regards to domestic violence? Yes, yes it does. So how the f has this clown not been arrested and had a CAS file opened about him? Oh, right, he’s white and rich.

    • dsmithhfx

      Nah, he’s a ‘regular guy’ who goes fishing with the prime minister, and his best buddy is the federal minister of finance. But hey, ask him to fix your pothole. Mention the crack house around the corner for extra-fast service!

  • dsmithhfx

    Jerry? His chief talent seems to be press conference linebacker/camera puncher.

  • Alex2

    Listen the police are mandated reporters and 23 divsion has made dozens of visits to the Ford home for domestic abuse calls over the past 13 years. You can be sure that the CAS are involved especially with the latest revalations contained in the ITO documents and Rob’s crack and p**ssy admissions.
    Just because the CAS are involved does not mean the kids should be removed.

  • Dave

    Scenario: your driving home and another driver feels that you cut him/her off and follows you to your house without any verbal or physical altercation. Next day he/she shows up at your house and (God forbid) kills your kids.
    Should TCAS remove your children on the day of the incident because they may be at harm/risk , possibly , sometime in the future , say the next year or so.?
    Your logic is called “Fortune Telling” and basically you feel that action should be taken PRIOR to something that or may not ever happen.
    Ever take your kids to the Eaton Centre? Yes ? Then you have put your kids at risk as there was a shootout there last year and so based on your rational you would be putting them at risk because history could repeat itself , possibly , maybe ,

  • dsmithhfx

    You obviously haven’t read the article very carefully. Nowhere does it advocate for the removal of Ford’s children as “the solution to the Ford families myriad of issues [sic]“, but it does question whether Ford received deferential treatment due to his wealth and political connections, as he apparently has from the police over many years.