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Mayor Rob Ford: “I’m Going to Kill That Fucking Guy”

A video obtained by the Toronto Star shows a visibly disturbed Mayor Rob Ford ranting and making death threats.

A screenshot of the video obtained by the Star

A screenshot of the video obtained by the Star.

Mayor Rob Ford, who on Tuesday said “I have nothing left to hide,” now has yet another bizarre video to explain. The Sun has just posted a short clip of what it says is a longer video being shopped around by “someone looking to make thousands of dollars.” In the clip, the mayor can be seen violently flailing and making graphic, murderous-sounding threats against an unspecified person who doesn’t seem to be in the room. “I’m going to kill that fucking guy,” he says. “He dies or I die, brother.”

The mayor also promises to “rip his fucking throat out” and “make sure that motherfucker’s dead.” An anonymous source close to the mayor told the Sun that the clip “looks worse than it is,” and that the mayor sometimes rants like this, then calms down afterward. You can watch the clip on the Sun‘s website for now. Meanwhile, Michael Cooke, the editor of the Toronto Star, says that his paper has obtained the full 77-second clip, and will be posting it soon. We’ll update when that happens.

UPDATE: November 7, 2013, 12:30 PM And now the Star has posted the full video, with a transcript. The accompanying article says the paper did, in fact, pay for the video—though it doesn’t say how much.

The circumstances around the video are still unclear, but the Star points out that Ford’s anger seems directed at someone who called him and/or his brothers “liars.”

During his press conference on October 31, Police Chief Bill Blair mentioned that police had recovered two Rob Ford videos, one of which appeared to be the infamous crack video. This video isn’t believed to be a copy of either of the videos in police custody.

Comments

  • OgtheDim

    Umm…..ranting like this, even if he calms down, is an issue.

  • bobloblawbloblawblah

    Jaysus, Mr Mayor. Remember your blood pressure…….

  • istoronto

    Sunday afternoon with his buddies watching an NFL game? Ford is not fit for the office of mayor. He needs to be turffed out NOW!

  • OgtheDim

    “These guys are pros” somebody says back to him.

    Who the heck called them liars, thieves and birds?

    • Lee Zamparo

      birds?

      • OgtheDim

        Look at the transcripted version on the Star’s site.

        • MER1978

          80 year old birds… maybe the 81 year old lady that called into his radio show on Sunday? Though that seems way too recent for there to be a video already surfacing.

        • Lee Zamparo

          I did, though I still don’t understand the reference. Maybe @MER1978:disqus is right about the sweet old woman who asked him to step back for himself and his family.

        • tyrannosaurus_rek

          Not birds, “it hurts”, says Gawker.

    • Doug Earl

      Not “These guys are pros”. It’s “These KIDS are pros.” What kids? What kids was Ford photographed with and which one of them is dead?

  • bobloblawbloblawblah

    It won’t be long, I think, until Mayor Gravy Train Wreck goes completely off the rails and finally crashes and burns.

    • glenn_storey

      you don’t think he’s already off the rails? because if he’s not, heaven help us.

      • bobloblawbloblawblah

        Well, I mean a total meltdown. I really wonder why he wants the job of Mayor anymore. I think his family is forcing him to stay instead getting help.

      • CaligulaJones

        Speed wobble first. I know of a hill up north that has a steep incline, a sharp right, then a sharp left. Most people who crash there actually make it through the first turn, then over correct.

  • Astin44

    Sounds odd. Like he’s reciting lines from a movie or wrestling promo. As if someone said, “do a WWE promo, it’ll be hilarious!”

    • Astin44

      The more I think about it, the more it sounds like he’s talking about a charity boxing match or something. As in, he’s been called names by someone, and it’s been suggested he should challenge him to a fight for charity. The “If I win, I’ll donate…” points to it. This is his promo… whatever he’s under the influence of.

      • macduff1987

        sounds entirely plausible, not least after watching it a few times. context is everything. as for whether the sun or the star should have published such a video *without* context is another debate altogether.

        • CaligulaJones

          Yeah, but if it is something as innocuous as a charity gig, then you COME OUT AND SAY THAT.

          Yes, the papers should probably provide some sort of context, if they know.

          So should Ford.

          “I dunno” isn’t context.

          • macduff1987

            you have my word; i shall.

            it’s not this piddly video i’m interested in, though. it’s the broader context of project traveller — and rob ford’s place in it (unwittingly or otherwise) — that concerns me much more.

    • CaligulaJones

      Naw, that would mean someone like the Iron Sheik would…never mind.

  • vampchick21

    #inadrunkenstupor? Dear gods! How his staff work/worked for him is mindboggling.

  • Christopher Bird

    Well, he’s certainly not coked up at all.

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    Uttering threats is a criminal offence.

    • Doug Earl

      Has to be an identifiable target.

      • tyrannosaurus_rek

        Now that the video is public the intended target could identify himself from the context and time of the recording, fulfilling 264.1(1)’s condition of “receiving”. Maybe?

        • Doug Earl

          Maybe. Also:

          The
          Ontario Mental Health Act says a person can be involuntarily committed
          for up to five days if a physician has reasonable cause “to believe the
          person has or is behaving violently towards another person or has caused
          or is causing another person to fear bodily harm”.

          Alternatively, the physician can commit the person if “the physician is
          of the opinion that the person is apparently suffering from mental
          disorder of a nature or quality that likely will result in,
          (d) serious bodily harm to the person;
          (e) serious bodily harm to another person; or
          (f) imminent and serious physical impairment of the person.”

          Let’s get Rob to a doctor.

  • bobloblawbloblawblah

    Maybe he was just getting psyched up for his arm wrestling match with Hulk Hogan?

  • Whitebox

    That is one hell of a smoking gun.

  • OgtheDim

    Part of that mentions his Dad. Are we sure this isn’t from around 2002?

    • vampchick21

      Not sure, while Ford just recently admitted it was an authentic video and that he was really, really inebriated, there’s no indication of when it was taken.

      • arcticredriver

        A CBC reporter who had initially said the date was unknown, said around 3pm that the video dated back to February — ie a couple of months before news of the crack video broke.

        • vampchick21

          So who pissed him off that bad in Feb?

          • CaligulaJones

            Does not compute…please try to narrow the parameters…Does not compute…please try to narrow the parameters…Does not compute…please try to narrow the parameters…

        • Doug Earl

          Around the time of Anthony Smith’s death. Which “kids are pros”?

        • arcticredriver

          The Star says they think it dates to August because it mentions the by-election — which they presume is the one to fill Holyday’s seat following his election to Queens Park.

      • Elise Aymer

        The “by-election” seems to be mentioned in the video so the Star speculated that it was filmed in August of this year.

    • tyrannosaurus_rek

      The NFL tie he wore the other day is from circa-1993. Maybe Robbie has Peter Pan syndrome.

  • arcticredriver

    Various journalists have reported that there doesn’t seem to be a legal mechanism to remove Ford from office, unless he is actually convicted of a political offense.

    Well, having seen the most recent video, I am surprised that he isn’t being apprehended, and held in a mental health institution for a mental health examination. That kind of apprehension is in order, is fully justified, when an individual’s mental health problems suggest they represent a threat to themselves or others.

    Ford is uttering death threats. He is out of control. A single doctor can sign a form that authorizes holding an individual for a two or three week assessment. If a committee of doctors signs a different form an out of control individual like Ford can be held longer.

    I’d be happy to see him getting involuntary mental health treatment — even if he nominally remained the official mayor.

    • vampchick21

      Political offense? I thought it was a criminal offense he had to be convicted of?

      You should note that Ford has verified that this video is the real deal and that he was bombed out of his skull at the time. So rather than mental health, (which addiction does fall under) it’s far more likely to be rehab, forced or otherwise. i don’t think the police can drag a drunk person off to CAMH. Just the drunk tank.

      Ford in the drunk tank. :)

      Also, what you are describing sounds like what they can do in California (the cases of Brittney Spears and Amanda Bynes come immediately to mind – which was a combination of mental issues and self medication with drugs/alcohol, which might even be the case here, but I doubt it), I didn’t know a similar process was here in Ontario.

      • arcticredriver

        The police can’t drag someone to CAMH, just for being drunk. They do have some discretion over dragging someone to a secure mental health facility if they have reason to believe that a mental health problem means they may represent a threat to themselves, or others.

        The step of taking the individual to the mental health facility for observation can be initiated by the individual’s doctor, or other mental health professionals.

        The step of taking the individual to the mental health facility for observation can be initiated by the individual’s family. I have a friend with schizophrenia, a disease with no cure, that is hard to treat. Individuals with schizophrenia are well known for thinking they are well, and going off the medication that controls their symptoms, because they find the side effects unpleasant.

        My friend has/had a history of stopping her medication, and one of those occasions I went with her husband to help translate, when he went to the Justice of the Peace, and swore an affadavit that explained her previous history and why he thought she should be taken in for observation.

        In Ford’s case: (1) he has made death threats; (2) he has made terrible decisions, that suggest he may not be able to take care of himself; (3) his denials that he made bad decisions may be sincere, and due to extreme drug use that prevents him remembering those bad decisions.

        Perhaps those California cases are not really as anomalous as you first thought?

        • vampchick21

          I knew about being able to take someone with a mental health issue to a facility when they pose a danger. My brother in law is also schizophrenic, and this has happened a few times.

          What I’m questioning is does that apply when it’s clearly alcohol and/or illegal drug related? i know they can take you to jail for the night if you push it to a point. But if you’re drunk or high as a kite, I don’t think they’ll automatically take you to CAMH.

          In otherwords, two different situations. You seem to be thinking that Ford is just suffering from a mental health issue other than addiction that would require police and then family to hospitalize him. It’s clearer that this is addiction. That doesn’t preclude that he might be self medicating.

          BTW, death threats, bad decisions and inability to admit or remember said decisions does not always equal a mental health issue.

          • tyrannosaurus_rek

            The A in CAMH is for addiction. I’m pretty sure you can drag someone there if you know it’s drug/alcohol addiction issue.

          • vampchick21

            Ok, true that it stands for addiction. :) Ya got me there, but I thought it referred to the rehab centres and programs they had. Not sure if our laws allow for police to force someone into a rehab program.

          • Astin44

            Police? No. Courts, yes. So he’d have to be arrested, charged, tried, convicted, and sentenced to rehab.

            Otherwise, a family member can call an ambulance in an emergency and he could be held for observation for a short period, unless he’s an immediate danger.

            He basically would have to check himself in for it to happen soon, and in that case, he’s also able to check himself out.

          • vampchick21

            And we all know now that no family member is going to make that call, period.

          • Elise Aymer

            Yes, CP24′s interview with Rob Ford’s mother and sister showed that. Though, to be fair, by his own admission he’s been trying to keep his behaviors from them and not being truthful when asked about them even with his family.

          • arcticredriver

            What about the wife who has accused him of assault in the past?

          • arcticredriver

            Maybe his wife will have a Justice of the Peace consider having him picked up for a mental health evaluation, based on the risks he poses of harming himself or others. (1) She and her children actually live with him, so they are the most at risk; (2) While she may have dropped them, she has laid charges on him before.

          • arcticredriver

            Mentally competent individuals can’t be forced to undergo treatment — particularly after the Nuremberg trials confirmed Nazi SS doctors subjected concentration camp victims to extreme medical experiments.

            Medical professionals are obliged to get informed consent from anyone they treat — so long as those individuals are mentally competent to give informed consent.

            So doctors can’t force a mentally competent patient into rehab. They might decide Rob Ford is not mentally competent. If so can they make him go cold turkey?

          • arcticredriver

            I think the key point a Justice of the Peace has to consider when they process one of those affidavits is whether the individual in question’s impaired judgment, and/or lack of control, puts the safety of the individual, or others, at risk.

            Is Rob Ford’s personal safety at risk? Definitely, a guy in such deep denial, is at risk of thinking suicide is his only way out. He is at risk of an accidental-on-purpose overdose.

            Is he also a genuine risk to the subject of that rant, to reporters observing his house?

            His wife charged him with assault in the past. Is she at risk of him taking out his frustrations on her during another drunken stupor?

            I think the standard the author of the affidavit has to reach is a low one, much lower than required for a criminal conviction, because medical professionals have an obligation to refute or confirm the suggestions in the affidavit within the next 2(3?) weeks.

            If I was the JP there would be no question in my mind that Ford represented a risk both to himself and to others.

          • arcticredriver

            vampchick21 wrote:

            BTW, death threats, bad decisions and inability to admit or remember said decisions does not always equal a mental health issue.

            So, why shouldn’t we trust mental health professionals to confirm or refute whether his mental health problems are so serious he can’t take care of himself, or represents a risk to others?

            You seem to be thinking that Ford is just suffering from a mental health issue other than addiction that would require police and then family to hospitalize him. It’s clearer that this is addiction. That doesn’t preclude that he might be self medicating.

            Well, does addiction explain driving down the Gardiner, READING, even though it was full of other vehicles. Are you suggesting this wasn’t a behaviour that put other people’s lives at unnecessary risk?

  • Butch

    At this point, nothing this guy does surprises me.

    • bobloblawbloblawblah

      Same here, while I’ve left a few humourous remarks here on this video, it all seems like we are piling on a troubled guy. I don’t know if the Star needed to publish this.

      • CaligulaJones

        Same here. As Jon Stewart said, the eulogy won’t be as funny.

        Ever read Walkom’s book on the Rae government? Apparently Rae was perfectly capable of incredible anger. And Howie Hampton was positively ballistic at times (not picking on the NDP, my source worked for their caucus).

        I just found a ton of Frank magazines, and it is too bad it isn’t around anymore, or that videos weren’t available in the 80s and 90s…

      • http://www.allvoices.com/users/paulstewartII Paul Stewart II

        Absolutely necessary and correct. They should hide it? Come on. Ford is hiding this stuff. He knows it’s out there and he is not getting the help he needs and Toronto is stuck with at best a lame duck; potentially a dangerously violent man, and quite likely with a criminal in charge. Come on. Wake up. So naive.

      • arcticredriver

        bobloblawbloblawblah wrote:

        I don’t know if the Star needed to publish this…

        Well, let me reassure you they absolutely did need to publish this, doing so is in the best journalistic traditions.

        You see, being Mayor is not a hobby. It is not an activity where no one is really hurt if the office-holder is incompetent, or dishonest, or both. Over 2 million people live in Toronto, and, for all of us, it is ESSENTIAL that we have a mayor who is both competent and honest.

        If Mr Ford were to retire from politics all his scandals would fade to insignificance. If he were forced to resign then these scandals would start to fade from significance. But so long as Mr Ford and his supporters try to act like his scandalous behavior was not significant, and he should be allowed to finish out his term and run again, the Toronto Star and every other Canadian publication or broadcaster should keep on hammering on the documented facts.

        Frankly, I’ll shed no tears if, after he leaves office, Mr Ford drinks himself to death, has a fatal accident while intoxicated, is found dead of a drug overdose, or is gunned down by the gangsters he befriended. But how dare he put the city at risk by refusing to resign?

  • glenn_storey

    “i have nothing left to hide”. rob ford, nov 5, 2013

  • http://www.leschinskidesign.com/contact/addme picard102

    Amazing how moral people are all of a sudden when they don’t like the guy.
    No one ever has said they were going to kill someone, never in history till now. Least off all anyone here.

    • OgtheDim

      Last I checked getting that angry isn’t a good thing.

    • tyrannosaurus_rek

      He’s the mayor, not some random guy on YouTube. Don’t be thick.

      • http://www.leschinskidesign.com/contact/addme picard102

        I forgot, everyone but random guy is supposed to be perfect.

        • OgtheDim

          Like it or not, we do not want the people who are in charge of a $10 billion government to act like this.

          And, if David Miller had done this, I’d be up there asking for his head too.

          • http://www.leschinskidesign.com/contact/addme picard102

            That’s putting the blinders on pretty tight if you think politicians don’t act like people. Not all of them have the benefit of their outbursts being recorded.

          • OgtheDim

            Its long held expectations, held by society as a whole. Morality means something. Deal with it.

          • dsmithhfx

            You might have a point if this was a one-off. Clearly, it isn’t.

          • http://www.allvoices.com/users/paulstewartII Paul Stewart II

            this is not what “people” generally do. Not.Even.Close

        • estta

          I feel like there’s a middle ground between perfect and frequently, publicly inebriated, smoking crack, and violent outbursts.

  • Bradford Hamilton

    This is not the rant of a drunken man. He is not slurring his words and he is not falling asleep. Instead, he seem energized. What could he be taking that makes him full of energy?

    • Inducted Kitty

      OOH! Pick me coach! CRACK! CRACK! CRACK!

    • http://www.leschinskidesign.com/contact/addme picard102

      alcohol.

      • OgtheDim

        Nope.

      • macduff1987

        if robbie can’t receive a football and pivot in a near-perfect photo op without falling, there’s no way he’s dancing around like that just drunk.

    • bobloblawbloblawblah

      Apparently crack makes you hyper-paranoid and cocaine just makes you hyper. Take your pick.

  • TomLuTon

    Rob Ford: You wouldn’t like him when he’s angry

  • bobloblawbloblawblah

    What’s really interesting is that this video seems to be taken without Ford’s knowledge and quite likely by someone in his inner circle. Seems like someone wanted to set him up.

    • dsmithhfx

      Severance for a long-suffering staffer?

    • disqus_5i5WzX8ROq

      Looks like people accustomed to seeing the antics of cracked up addicts.

  • michael ishoj

    Ford is a train wreck in slow motion…..after today’s video, then his pathetic acknowledgement of failure – it appears to me anyway, Rob Ford has one foot in his grave.

    • dsmithhfx

      Rob is “taking the day off” — according to his lawyer. Here’s hoping he’s gone by Monday.

      • tyrannosaurus_rek

        I suspect he’ll resign on Monday, probably in a written statement.

  • nistan

    I know someone VERY close to me who grew up in an alcoholic, dysfunctional family. These are NOT the people who should be in office. They will be in denial to the bitter end because they CANNOT see what THEY are doing wrong and apologies are ALWAYS BS!

  • arcticredriver

    “Actionable” — if you mean sufficient to justify a criminal charge of uttering death threats, all by itself, then no, it is not actionable.

    But a family member, deputy mayor, or Chief of Staff, could append it to an affidavit where they describe how Ford’s mental problems have made him lose control, and he was no longer competent to give or withhold “informed consent”, and represented an acute danger to himself and others. The Justice of the Peace considering whether to have Ford taken into custody and delivered to a secure mental health for two or three weeks for a competency evaluation doesn’t have to conclude the video is “actionable” — only that it supports the claim he is out of control and represents a threat to the safety of himself or others.

    Press reports say his birth family — mother and siblings — are in denial. That still leaves his wife Renata — one of the people most likely to be the victim of violence from an out of control Rob Ford.

    I think a close co-worker, like the deputy mayor or Ford’s Chief of Staff, could swear out one of those affidavits.

    What would we do if Ford had a stroke? Surely there are mechanisms to remove a mayor who had a stroke? We should use the mechanism that would remove Ford if he had a stroke now that it is obvious he is not mentally competent due to drug-psychosis.

    Various comments here have focused on what is in Ford’s best interests. It is the city’s best interests I care about. Once Ford is out of office I couldn’t care less if he is found dead, in a alley, the victim of a gang hit or a drug overdose.

  • dsmithhfx

    He’s out of control, as in self-control. He’s already admitted to smoking crack, public drunkenness and (by inference), drunk driving, with probably more surprises in store for Ford Nation — nobody else will be surprised. That is the issue, which the video only serves to highlight. His closest conservative allies on Council have asked him to step aside.

  • dsmithhfx

    Amalgamation, Harris.

    • OpportKnocks

      Stop blaming Harris for amalgamation, he was/is way to dumb to come with idea that himself. The credit belongs to his then chief of staff Guy Giorno and Deb Hutton. It, along with similar strategies like the cuts to school board trustee salaries, was a purely political strategy to neutralize the left side of the political spectrum that had real strength and persistence in the centre of Toronto.

      • dsmithhfx

        Harris implemented it, so yeah, he gets to wear the blame.

    • OgtheDim

      Garbage strike, inability of Smitherman and Joey Pants to articulate a vision better then “end the gravy train”, city staff not listening to inner suburbs while telling them what their issues are, media enablers at the SUN and Globe.

      And, although I know some people prefer the myth of the monolithic vote that first past the post perpetuates, as it feeds their need to create an us vs. them narrative,things are never that simple.

      • dsmithhfx

        Joey was a nothing-burger, Smitherman wound up mouthing Fordisms with transparent insincerity. A lot of people fell for for Ford’s no-cuts guaranteed guff.

        • OgtheDim

          Sure, but don’t go on about the reason Ford won was amalgamation.

          • dsmithhfx
          • OgtheDim

            Read it already. Hulchanski has his opinion but its not backed up by voting patterns and is overly simplistic. In essence, he’s using a class discussion without justifying it with data beyond who makes how much.

            Again, between 22 and 25% of the downtown voted for Ford.

            That stat alone blows the whole idea of amalgamation being why Ford won out of the water.

            Frankly, that article in the Guardian was pathetic Her basic point was an academic says its possible and DMW said he might bounce back; but he said that in an exasperated way as a maybe. Its a typical piece by somebody who has flown in and is looking for copy.

          • dsmithhfx

            “That stat alone blows the whole idea of amalgamation being why Ford won out of the water.”

            Who said it was the whole idea?

          • OpportKnocks

            It is true that it is very unlikely that the Ford mayoralty disaster would have happened without amalgamation. Prior to that he would have had to be;
            a) elected to Metro Council as a local mayor or metro councillor
            and
            b) voted as the Chair of Metro Council by the other elected members.
            Step b would have been next to impossible as Ford clearly lacks the political skills to get a concensus from the other politicians and there would always be a better first choice

          • OgtheDim

            That’s a little bit like saying Confederation caused Harper.

            dsmith is saying that Ford is in that particular position and won that particular election BECAUSE of amalgamation

            It didn’t.

          • OpportKnocks

            Saying that event x is a precondition of event y is not anything like saying x caused y. But it does imply that if x had not happened y likely would not have happened.

          • OgtheDim

            You did.

            “Amalgamation, Mike Harris”

          • dsmithhfx

            That’s a hell of a leap.

          • dsmithhfx
  • arcticredriver

    Resignation first, compassion afterwards, OK?

  • OgtheDim

    Given every paper has a pay wall now, its all a wash in that regard.

    BTW, the SUN put bits of it out there first. It was inevitable that somebody would pay to get the whole thing out there.

  • OgtheDim

    He should be klcked out for an accumulation of things.

    Like the Toronto SUN says.

    You think they are liberal too?