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Newsstand: June 12, 2013

It’s NXNE! In the news: Ford wants to have a garage sale, Woodbine puts down a horse, McGuinty puts down his seat in the legislature, council moves closer to ranked ballots and votes for permanent residents, and Pickering is getting an airport.

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Yeah, who needs valuable downtown real-estate, which will continue to provide revenue to city coffers for years and years, when instead, we could have a one-time chunk of cash that will probably only get used to make the books look a little nicer for the moment? That is, if we even get all the money that was put into putting up the building. Yesterday, as mayor Ford made a public appearance to hand a $10 million cheque off to the city’s chief financial officer (is a cheque really the most secure way to transfer $10 million dollars?), Ford made the comment that city use of Metro Hall could be downsized and put somewhere cheaper. The city should then, in his eyes, put the building on the market, as it did in 2001, when the best offer was still $51 million less than it cost to build the building.

Woodbine racetrack has put a barn under quarantine after a horse showing signs of equine herpes virus, or EHV-1, was euthanized. If the horse indeed had EHV-1, other horses nearby could have picked up the fatal virus.

Dalton McGuinty is expected to step down from his seat in the provincial legislature today, now that the provincial budget has passed and things are heating up around the gas-plant closures/suspiciously missing emails.

Yesterday, city councillors voted to ask the provincial government to amend legislation in a way that would open the door to both ranked ballots and votes from permanent residents in the city. The ranked ballots system would ensure that all municipally elected officials have at least 50 per cent of the vote and the permanent resident initiative would ensure that around 250,000 people that live/work/pay taxes in Toronto have a say in whom represents them at the municipal level. Both initiatives would need to come back to council and get over a couple other hurdles if the province opens the door, but it’s a start.

Soon enough, Pickering could just be a short flight away. Yesterday, federal finance minister Jim Flaherty announced that part of the federally owned Pickering Lands would be turned into an airport (probably also to be named after Billy Bishop). Another section of the green space, which the federal government has owned since 1972, will be turned into the Rouge National Urban Park and some will be turned into commercial land. Ha, you’re Pickering’s problem now.

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  • Kevin G

    Bill: Yo man, I’ve friggin bored. Let’s go somewhere.
    Ted: We should, but we don’t have a car, man!
    Bill: Dude, we could totally fly to Pickering!
    Ted: NOICE! Let’s pack our bags.
    (The two run at the door, cackling
    ecstatically)
    SAID NO TWO FRIENDS EVER

    • chemical_echo

      If you want to be technical, those two friends probably aren’t saying “lets fly to Mississauga” either, considering Pearson’s address is there.

      I see this being a lot like flying into San Francisco; it’s just another option to use when looking for flights. I always look at prices for Oakland, San Jose, and San Francisco when booking flights there.

      • Kevin G

        “Soon enough, Pickering could just be a short flight away. ” Hence the joke. Haha

  • XXX

    Real estate prices in downtown T.O. have changed a bit since 2001

  • Brock

    Premier Dad quits again to avoid speaking about the $585 million dollar closure of the gas plants, several high ranking Liberals deleted email accounts, and barely any whisper on the real government corruption.

    • XXX

      And in local news the same group of councilors that illegally paid the compliance audit fees of Adrian Heaps and Giorgio Mammoliti are poised to “settle” with Heaps to the tune of $14,000 out of ~$90,000 owed again giving the finger to Toronto taxpayers…

      • Brock

        It feels like this same group think we are their own personal ATM.

        • XXX

          What gave you that impression? The $11,000 “retirement party” that got billed back to the city? Or the $3,000 that Giambrone overbilled the TTC? Or the lunches chocolates and massages at TCHC? but David Miller was a great mayor (sarcasm).

          No one is even reporting on the $2,000,000 heist that went down at the TTC recently…

          • Brock

            It seems most on this site only follow headlines and not actual issues.

          • XXX

            If I was a betting man and I am, I’d wager that everyone posting in favour of the Libs or NDP is directly or indirectly profiting from government largess… EI, disability, union or government consultant or contractor or close relative of one or all of the above… The ex-Ornge CEO just got a $400K golden handshake too…

          • vampchick21

            You’d lose that bet douchebag. Lose it hard.

          • Brock

            In your case I am sure he was referencing to bankruptcy.

          • Testu

            Just out of curiosity, what do you do for a living?

          • XXX

            I work for a stock broker.

          • Testu

            Cool.

            Like, as a day trader or as support staff at a brokerage?

            I’m a consultant and I do have a few union clients although only one is public sector. I primarily work with small business.

            I suppose that means I am profiting from government largess.

          • OgtheDim

            I’d love to take that wager.

            Love how you can’t argue the facts, just yell at people for being something they are not.

            Kinda what you accuse the left of being.

            But…anyhoo…..

          • HotDang

            Everyone does benefit from government spending. There’s nothing wrong with being on EI or disability.

          • vampchick21

            He also seems to not understand the simple fact that EI is our own money, deducted from every paycheque we receive. We are essentially getting our own money when we are on EI.

          • dsmithhfx

            And a great deal of the money we put into it never gets paid out in benefits, to anyone. Instead, it is used to further reduce the taxes on already under-taxed and hugely profitable banks and corporations. Talk about shiftless welfare bums.

          • tyrannosaurus_rek

            “The ex-Ornge CEO just got a $400K golden handshake too…”

            So? Ornge is incorporated and a registered charity, not a crown corporation. If not for its links to the province, you wouldn’t bat an eye at a CEO receiving $400,000 to leave.

          • XXX

            I would always bat an eyelash at a CEO of a registered charity getting a $400K cashout, charities are supposed to aid people not executives…

          • dsmithhfx

            I thought you said you work for a stock broker.

    • OgtheDim

      You know, bots like you keep talking about the “real corruption” and stuff but never provide proof. (Heck, as a non-fan of the Libs, I would be more then intrigued to see if that is going on.)

      Yet when we have people seeing a video, you call it hearsay.

      Double standard much?

      • XXX

        Well according to all you Lieberal types acting guilty = guilty. Since the “most successful premier” in Ontario history is acting really guilty: he won’t speak, has resigned as premier, has resigned cabinet and resigned as MPP after proroguing government to avoid a contempt charge you can draw your own conclusions.

        • OgtheDim

          So what you are saying is because he resigned, he’s guilty or corruption?

          ooooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

          Look, he’s done some pretty scummy things but until you actually have some proof of malfeasance, well…..what’s the diff between that and Rob Ford?

          • Brock

            The difference between Rob Ford and Premier Dad is that one resigned to to guilt and one has remained in power because he has done a credible job.

          • dsmithhfx

            A credible job of what? Mayor: international laughing stock. Football coach: fired. Drunken jackass (apparently) on crack: B-I-N-G-O.

          • Brock

            He has managed the spending of the city revenues better than anyone in recent memory, he has respected the tax pay for his entire term in city office (over 12 years), he created the football program at Don Bosco.
            And what have you done lately?

          • dsmithhfx

            “He has managed the spending of the city revenues better than anyone in recent memory” No he hasn’t, not even close. Don’t believe everything you read in the Sun. Oh, and didn’t ya hear? He got fired from Don Bosco.

          • Brock

            His firing was a political move. He also donated all of the football equipment to the school after he was “fired”. That takes class.

          • dsmithhfx

            He got fired for publicly badmouthing the school, the neighborhood, the kids and their parents on more than one occasion — essentially for the crass political advantage to paint himself as the hero they depended on for salvation. For this he was not only fired from Don Bosco, he was banned from coaching in the entire TCDSB. That takes some doing! It’s the third coaching position he’s been fired from. Detect a pattern?

            Oh, and he didn’t donate the equipment. His foundation did. Remember the foundation? The one he extorted donations for from companies that do business with the city, and almost got himself fired from his job as mayor over, but got off on a technicality? Yeah, that foundation. So he donated squat.

          • Duane

            Paul, they both have done bad things and should resign.

      • Brock

        So you are saying that the mounting costs of gas plant closures is hearsay? Get a grip that is not a phantom loss that is real funds.

        • XXX

          You can’t argue with Lib bots, they have no morals and don’t understand anyone who does. They are all limousine Lieberal types that don’t care if the government starts bonfires with their cash because their political action committees (read: unions) will just hold the government of the day hostage until they get bought off with more taxpayer cash…

          • OgtheDim

            So, I’m a lib bot because I disgree with you…………….ooooooooooooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.

        • OgtheDim

          How EXACTLY are those costs “corruption”?

          As I’ve stated numerous times, I’m not a fan of any party.

          But, corruption, politically, is defined as money going to cronies. So, who’s cronies is this money going to?

          • Brock

            When closing a plant to “buy” an election is not considered corruption, come talk to me.

          • FinStockton

            I wouldn’t call it corruption – I’d call it a cynical waste of a tremendous amount of taxpayers money.

            But it was done in full public view Brock, not as part of some deal behind closed doors.

            The cover-up and deletion of email, I would call corrupt.

          • XXX

            If all you Lib bots are all concerned about the “corruption” label how about abuse of trust? conspiracy to defraud the public purse? Malfeasance in public office? Any of those work for you? Because they all apply…

          • FinStockton

            Your anger is misplaced, XXX. I’m *agreeing* with your sentiment. But when you use words like conspiracy or corruption to describe a decision made in full public view, it weakens your argument.

            I think your tone on here turns *a lot* of people away from your beliefs. In this thread alone you’ve called people “lib bots” and “lieberals” numerous times. It’s as if anyone who disagrees with you, even incrementally, is your mortal enemy.

            If you’re here because you want to convince others of your beliefs, and not just because you want to make yourself feel superior, then I suggest a change in attitude.

          • XXX

            Fair enough, sometimes I get caught up in the emotion here a little bit and I do not believe people are trying hard enough to hold the OLP to account…

          • FinStockton

            XXX:

            I agree with you that people should turn a more critical eye to the Ontario Liberal Party.

            I also think it’s a lot harder to write a compelling, succinct argument for your position than it is to simply voice an attack on someone else.

            But the former is a lot more important to building a more robust culture of public debate – something we need here in Ontario.

          • Brock

            The corruption was the reason the contract was cancelled. Lets face it, the plant was closed to win an election. That is corruption. That also made in a puppet.

          • OgtheDim

            Pol makes political decision to stay in power that means spending money.

            WOW….I am so surprised.

            If you want to call that corruption, then all politics is corrupt.

          • Brock

            There is spending, and their is blatant wasting. The man chose to remove himself from government to avoid the issue. I will bet that he would never admit that he had to “spend” that money to win the election.

          • OgtheDim

            Soooo…spending money for political purposes is corruption?

            Ur going to be disappointed all your life then.

            What would you call the Pickering airport then?

            Corruption when it was a P.E.T. project, but not when its a Tory one?

          • Brock

            The Pickering airport was on the docket of 40 years ago. That is what is called “LONG TERM PLANNING”. It takes planning to build infrastructure. It takes corruption to “BUY” an election.

          • dsmithhfx

            What happened during those 40 years? Where’s the fucking airport? How much property tax has that land yielded in the past 40 years? You mean to tell me Jim Flaherty planned this airport 40 years ago? WTF?

          • Brock

            Do you not think that long term plans may include more than one government? Do you even have a clue on the cost of land from then to now? placing an airport on the property 40 years ago was nor feasible or practicable. The options for the land were left open for several venture considerations. Most major cities have more than one major airport.
            Backward thinking like your has continued to hurt our city.

          • OgtheDim

            Would it be rude of me to point out that a bit of basic research would indicate that the airport was stopped for political reasons to get votes? i.e. Buying or corruption, based on your definition

          • Brock

            It was stopped as it was not practical at the time. It seems it is required at this point.

          • OgtheDim

            You do know that the airport plans were stopped way back when right? Its plans being revisited for political purposes, not long term planning.

          • Brock

            It is being implemented as required new infrastructure.

          • Brock

            Why are you so against progress and growth?

          • OgtheDim

            LOL

            Oh, poor little troll, you really don’t know what you are doing, do you.

            So, let me get this troll straight:

            I call you out for saying corruption is governments responding to political pressure and spending money.

            I suggest that you should then call the Pickering airport thing corruption. (Note, I don’t follow your approach, so I’m NOT calling it corruption)

            You then say Its planning.

            I say, buddy, it was stopped and is being brought back for political purposes, not long term planning.

            And you say……I’m against progress.

            That’s a pretty crappy jump in logic there.

            And, you know, this is pretty bad trolling you’re doing here.

            I’ve been trolled at by geniuses, with the logical flexibility of a python through wet butter, who make you look like a kindergarten kid doing algebra. Ur not that good.

            Most decent trolls at least follow a certain amount of logic.

            You, your just doing contradiction. Its like a bad imitations of the arguement sketch from Monty Python.

            (Where do I go to get the hitting on your head lessons?)

            Do yourself a favour.

            Come back when you get good at this.

            Cause, right now, you ain’t.

            Until then, done with you buddy. Its been fun playing tether troll and all, and I do like how you provided me with great material to play your words back at you. But, life calls…enjoy.

          • Brock

            The reason you are having trouble understanding logic is possibly because there is no troll here just a speaker of truth and one for responsible government.

            If you can convince yourself into believing that premier dad did not blatantly buy the election by sinking our province by over 1/2 billion dollars, you have lost touch with reality.

            You may be right as far as you not being against progess, I do apologize. but I feel your understanding of progress is limited.

          • HotDang

            Why do you hate children?

          • Brock

            I do?

          • dsmithhfx

            Might it instead be considered responding to voters who overwhelmingly did not want the gas plants in their backyard, and opposition candidates that demanded the cancellation? Hmmm?

          • Brock

            If that is your justification, but they seemed to ignore any opposition prior to to selecting the site. So are you stating that it was just poor governing and that we should accept the costs because of poor leadership?

          • dsmithhfx

            It was a huge boondoggle, like the cancellation of the Eglinton cross-town subway by Mike Harris, Harper/Mackay navy ships procurement, F35, G20.. you’d almost think these guys were smoking crack.

          • tyrannosaurus_rek

            Shhhhh! Don’t mention that!

          • dsmithhfx

            Wha, the F35?

          • tyrannosaurus_rek

            I was replying to your gas plant post.

          • Brock

            Both of you guys can be certified gas plants.

          • XXX

            Eastern Power. This is the last time I use Google for you. You really live up to your moniker…

          • OgtheDim

            And Eastern Power are Liberal how? Cause without proof of a tie to the Liberals, this is corrupt how?

      • tyrannosaurus_rek

        These trolls gladly overlook the misspending done by the right.

  • OgtheDim

    How much revenue does Metro hall provide that it is worth keeping?

    • OgtheDim

      Umm…anybody? Torontoist point here seems to be that Metro Hall is revenue generating.

      Anybody have a figure?

      Cause, if its not, is it worth keeping just because it was built?

      • tyrannosaurus_rek

        Without knowing how much money is involved, there’s still the possibility it breaks even, so selling it below the build cost would still mean a loss.

        The sale of the SkyDome for 4% of its construction cost still stings a bit, doesn’t it?

  • OgtheDim

    Anybody got a good reason why we should spend hard earned taxpayer’s money on an airport in Pickering?

    • vampchick21

      The only reason I can think of is to reduce pressure on Pearson, but I don’t think that’s actually necessary myself. If they want an airport in the East End of the GTA, shouldn’t they expand existing ones in Oshawa or Buttonville? And I think there might be room to expand at Pearson as well.

      • Brock

        That is the only reason you can think of? If you even took the time to research the project you would see the overall benefits. But research does not seem to be your strong point.

        • vampchick21

          Oh? Then pray enlighten us all with your wisdom and deep knowledge oh great one. We all tremble in wait for you to impart upon us all that you have in your wonderful mind.

          • Brock

            You are responding as you clearly want to learn. I appreciate that.

        • dsmithhfx

          Yes, what are the results of your research? Please share!

        • OgtheDim

          Look, we know you have this whole “I’m going to demean vampchick21″ thing going on, but its getting tiresome and cutting down on what little credibility you have.

          So, care to answer my question or don’t you debate issues anymore?

          And, no “google it” is not a response.

          • tyrannosaurus_rek

            You think he has credibility? He’s a transparent troll.

          • OgtheDim

            Troll.

          • Brock

            A little research would show you that the land was purchased over 40 years ago and the that the land was slated to an airport based on population growth projections.

            I am not sure why you are defending Vampchick21, she shoots from the hip without thought and ha little regard to others, she is the classic troll.

          • tyrannosaurus_rek

            Troll, the question was “why [should we] spend hard earned taxpayer’s money on an airport in Pickering?”, not “why should we build it in Pickering?”.

            Second, “to reduce pressure on Pearson” (vampchick) and “[build] an airport based on population growth projections” (you), are essentially the same thing. In other words, you agreed with her.

            (Then you called her a troll. Which means you called yourself a troll. Nice!)

          • Lee Zamparo

            Projections made 40 years ago are rarely accurate. In the 1980s, many, many more jobs were projected to be in Toronto by now than are actually present in the city today (and they aren’t in the expected ‘job cluster’ areas of STC, Yonge & Sheppard, York U areas either). The question is, why should be build the airport there *today*.

            Airport *usage* data would be more useful as an argument. Population growth projections alone would likely suggest we need another airport downtown :)

    • dsmithhfx

      Because it’s a tory riding, and there ain’t much else goin’ on there, except there’s a nuclear power plant that planes could crash into? And they didn’t get a gazebo (but they did get Mr. Dressup)?