Today Sat Sun
It is forcast to be Rain at 11:00 PM EDT on April 25, 2014
Rain
7°/2°
It is forcast to be Chance of Rain at 11:00 PM EDT on April 26, 2014
Chance of Rain
6°/1°
It is forcast to be Clear at 11:00 PM EDT on April 27, 2014
Clear
8°/1°

84 Comments

news

Extra, Extra: Alcohol, Mayor Rob Ford, and the Star

Every weekday’s end, we collect just about everything you ought to care about or ought not miss.

Photo by *Lemur*, from the Torontoist Flickr Pool

Photo by *Lemur*, from the Torontoist Flickr Pool.

  • Where does booze come from? BlogTO takes a trip inside an LCBO warehouse, which, incidentally, can be yours for a few million dollars.
  • While Toronto’s other pundits and opinion writers catch their collective breath, Matt Elliott weighs in early on Mayor Rob Ford’s latest crisis: “…we do have reason to be concerned about his fitness for the position [of mayor]. Not because of whatever might be going on in his private life, but because he can’t seem to keep his private life from impacting the job he’s been elected to do.”
  • Meanwhile, the Star‘s union has come up with an ingenious plan to spare the paper’s vaunted radio room training program from the effects of budget cutbacks: pay the students who staff it less money. (Although it has to be said that by paying journalism students anything at all, the Star is being a lot more generous than some of its competitors.)

Like Torontoist? Send us tips, get involved, or follow us through Twitter, Facebook, or RSS.

Comments

  • donphaseme_bro

    Rob Ford has been known to sweat. Today it’s likely that his boosters have been sweating even more profusely as they cobble together their rebuttal/counteroffensive.

  • IJustGotToBeMe

    Maybe if all you losers that post on this rag would let the guy do his job we wouldn’t have such a side show. Every one of you leftist’s would rather bully the guy about his past, his weight etc. And now we find that whore sideshow Sarah Thomson wanting to give it to good old Conrad for an interview. But no, all you losers that seem to have the perfect life can’t except the fact that we had an election and you lost.
    Get over it, and yourselves.

    • raindogxx

      Someone needs their diaper changed.

      • IJustGotToBeMe

        Only 51. Don’t need them yet. But at least I know there is people of your skill set out there that will change them when the time arises.

        • raindogxx

          My 4-year-old is more articulate, and respectful. Perhaps you could raise the bar for yourself. The day is young.

          • IJustGotToBeMe

            I am not articulate because I only have 3 credits in grade nine. But also retired at 50 and have lot’s of cash. Hope your 4-year-old is as fortunate.

          • vampchick21

            Dropping out of school is not something to be proud of. Education is not the devil.

          • IJustGotToBeMe

            Never said I was proud of it. Just being honest. I still owned a company for 22 years and if I could do it all over I would have stayed in school.

          • vampchick21

            Finally you said something that wasn’t insane and that I agree with.

          • torontothegreat

            You don’t have to be articulate to be intelligent. You sir, are neither.

          • IJustGotToBeMe

            So true. And yet I can enjoy my retirement a young age without a worry in the world. Maybe one day you will find a job and be so lucky.

          • torontothegreat

            And you have proven you are neither, but somehow managed to add “ignorant” as a pillar of your personality.

          • IJustGotToBeMe

            Oh stop it. With all these compliments you’re making me blush.

          • vampchick21

            [sarcasm] love how you automatically assume that everyone that disagrees with you is a jobless pinko commie.[/sarcasm]

          • IJustGotToBeMe

            Just having a little fun. You guys really got to lighten up a little.

          • jen

            And you “really got to” go back to reading the Sun. I think that paper is more your speed, given your commentary. You must have a very boring retirement if you have the time to write comments in “lefty” publications that you don’t agree with. If I was an old retired guy, like you, I wouldn’t bother with online commentary at all. I would be outside, away from the computer, and enjoying the real world. Now if you’ll excuse me, my lunch break is over and I must get back to work so I can earn enough money to be rich and awesome and retired at 51.

          • IJustGotToBeMe

            Well thanks so much Jen. If you say I’m awesome then so be it. But I’m not rich. And yes, most of my time is spent outdoors. I have a greenhouse and grow veggies and weed. I do a lot of barbecuing and smoking. I enjoy cooking and baking and making my own beer and wine. Maybe you could ask your manager at MacDonalds for a few extra hours so you too could take an early retirement.

          • vampchick21

            Weed. That explains everything.

          • IJustGotToBeMe

            lol I figured you would like that.

          • torontothegreat

            Dude, your 25-and-out union pension policy wasn’t due to your own intelligence.

          • dsmithhfx

            Isn’t it amazing how many young, retired multi-millionaires turn out to be nasty little trolls slaving over a keyboard? I can only conclude they are invalids, agoraphobics, or lying…

          • torontothegreat

            At least you’ll always have a wealth of fallacy in your logic. So there’s that…

          • dsmithhfx

            Is there something else you’d like to tell us?

          • torontothegreat

            At least you’ll always have a wealth of fallacy in your logic AND the ability to say things with no context. So there’s those…

          • dsmithhfx

            Did you think my response to jen’s comment is about you?

          • torontothegreat

            I fall into your question, but fail on your hypothesis. In short I’m telling you, your 3rd grade science project’s conclusion(s), turned out to be #fails

            What’s truly fascinating however, is your inability to realize the content of your own posts.

          • dsmithhfx

            Seek help.

          • dsmithhfx

            Give my regards to James Garner, Princeton Grad and Anne Murray!

    • HotDang

      We accept that Ford won, what is unacceptable is his conduct and incompetence as mayor. Anyone without their blinders on can see that the man is an embarrassment.

      • IJustGotToBeMe

        It’s pretty damned obvious you don’t except the fact Ford won. So many allegations without one shred of evidence and you all buy into it.

        • vampchick21

          Given his history, I believe it. Perhaps you should read more? Even the Sun has exposed him (see Florida DUI)

          • IJustGotToBeMe

            Yeah, and what’s your opinion of Ana Bailao.

          • vampchick21

            That she was a stupid idiot for drinking and then getting behind the wheel of a car and driving, just like anyone else who does that very stupid thing.

          • IJustGotToBeMe

            Exactly. But you don’t see the masses hanging her out to dry.

          • vampchick21

            Ummm….I guess you weren’t reading all the comments across online media when it happened. See, it didn’t have the word “Ford” in it, so you didn’t bother, nothing to defend. Secondly, she only, to my knowledge, has the one incident of blatant stupidity involving booze, Ford has a host of them, one after the other, some proven, some alleged, throughout his career as a public servent (councillor and then mayor). Two totally separate situations.

          • tyrannosaurus_rek

            Yeah, we did. Right here on Torontoist there were comments likening her to a murderer and demanding she step down as councillor. She didn’t have a PR team at the ready so there was very little talk of her needing sympathy, time to heal, etc.

    • dsmithhfx

      “all you losers that post on this rag” — how to win friends and influence people. not.

      • IJustGotToBeMe

        Don’t need friends like you. Why don’t you go out and find a job. You know, do something constructive with your life rather than throw fits every time someone disagrees with you.

        • HarryBongers

          Says the guy spazzing out about lefty conspiracies and whining about poor robbie being a victim.

          • IJustGotToBeMe

            Learn to read. I never said he was a victim.

          • HarryBongers

            ‘Every one of you leftist’s would rather bully the guy about his past, his weight etc.”

            yeah, you did moron.

          • IJustGotToBeMe

            Nice finishing touch. It would be interesting to know who you voted for last election. If you even bothered.

          • dsmithhfx

            At a guess, someone who is not the town drunk.

          • IJustGotToBeMe

            Maybe you would prefer a scotch drinking bipolar mayor like Sarah Thomson. Would that be someone more to your liking?

          • dsmithhfx

            At this point it is difficult to conceive of anyone who could possibly make a worse mayor than Rob Ford. Maybe his brother, who is smarter and more devious.

          • IJustGotToBeMe

            Well I don’t think you could find one more devious than David Miller.
            Or what about George Smitherman. Would he work for ya?

          • HarryBongers

            S’up strawman. You have any interesting to say or you satisfied with spouting off like a dim-witted robbie nut-hugger?

          • IJustGotToBeMe

            Sober up my friend.

    • tyrannosaurus_rek

      Go back to your hole, troll.

      • IJustGotToBeMe

        Poor baby. What’s wrong? Didn’t get your grant this month.

    • vampchick21

      Ok little boy. Someone is cranky and needs a nap. And btw, drop the ‘whore’ comment, that just makes you look like the worst fucking misgyonistic little fucking worthless asshole on the planet.

      • IJustGotToBeMe

        Free country sweetie. I can say what I want.

        • vampchick21

          If you enjoy being labeled as a worthless misgynoistic little fucking asshole, then go nuts. But I have the same right to call your sorry ass out on it. So deal with it.

    • OgtheDim

      Slow day for the Deco sales force?

      • IJustGotToBeMe

        I don’t have to work. Why, do you need some labels?

        • OgtheDIm

          Lately, I need a few with a big Wooosh over top of a down arrow. A lot of people I run into on the net seem to need them.

          You might want to try a sample on that one.

          • IJustGotToBeMe

            No thanks. But I do appreciate you taking the time to think of me.

          • OgtheDIm

            Just trying to give you something to do while you are awaiting the next boffo mission from Mark. BTW, was the amount of comments to get that free trip to Chicago 750 or 1000?

    • wimbrooklyn

      Sadly Guest, no one is allowed to support Ford or question the motives of those who are the constant attack.

      But the beauty of this bullying campaign carried on by the left since the election is consolidates his support.

      Unfortunately, it also polarizes the urban/suburban divide.

      Perhaps the rabid Ford bashers will get Chow elected in the next election but there is truth in the saying “be careful what you wish for” as one can only imagine where the City would be had Smitherman been elected.

      • vampchick21

        You’re 5 months behind. Catch up.

  • vampchick21

    *snirk* Someone was late to the “Defend Ford” party.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=28110435 Kate Roberts

      lol seriously – I guess the Ford camp had to get through attacking everyone on the Globe, National Post and Star’s comment boards first and then started on the grassroots media; GridTO, Torontoist, Now, Metro etc. Pathetic.

      • vampchick21

        They were pretty busy over on BlogTO yesterday

  • iSkyscraper

    I wonder if it is possible that Ford’s behaviour can be explained more by his being of very low intellectual capacity rather than drinking.

    I mean, the guy couldn’t finish college. It’s one thing if you choose not to attend university because of your chosen trade, or because it was too expensive, or because there was family pressure to jump into the workforce. Or even if you started but left as an entrepreneur to form your own company. But Ford had none of these issues. He started at Carleton, dropped out, then took a few classes at York, and finished nothing.

    Sorry, but if you start university and can’t finish you should automatically be disqualified from serving as a mayor. The job requires smarts, either from the street or from a book. Ford has neither and displays it every time he is seen in public or opens his mouth. This I believe is more the cause of his behaviour than anything else.

    • dsmithhfx

      Can’t agree with you. Not many get themselves elected to political office only to carry on like a drunken frat boy. Yet our little Robbie has managed it. Rob wraps himself in a flag of proud ignorance, and his supporters act like they think it’s the Shroud of Turin. Then they have the nerve to whine he is persecuted for behavior that would get any one of them fired in a New York minute.

    • torontothegreat

      I started at Uni, didn’t finish for no other reason than university wasn’t for me (school was never my forte).
      22 years later, after doing many different jobs and having many amazing experiences, I sold a company for 11+ million dollars. So, how again does your argument hold water?

      I agree his mental capacity explains a lot, but using University as a base point to someone’s intelligence is really ignorant and elitist.

      • HotDang

        …You’re obviously covered by “Or even if you started but left as an entrepreneur to form your own company.”

        You should bring up selling your company for $11 million dollars more often. It lends you an air of authority and bolsters your arguments.

        • torontothegreat

          But I didn’t leave to start my own company (is this the kind of comprehension level uni gives you?), I started the compay almost 10 years later. I left because it wasn’t my thing (previously stated). I then went on to work at an auto-detailing shop for 2 years, McDonald’s, Mould injection and then web development (as previously summarized).

          I don’t understand why a pertinent point (selling my company), which serves to counter your idealism that university somehow magically gives you the tools to succeed to run for mayor is such a sticking point with you. I’ve only ever brought it up once before, in a similar context. Green’s an ugly colour, my friend.

          • vampchick21

            Everyone learns in a different manner. Some people do better learning in a real world situation than in a classroom or lecture hall. Both types of education are equally valid in my books. I agree that you should not require a degree in order to run for public office. However, I think the onus is on us, the voters, to take much greater care in self education around important issue and learning to see past the catch phrase when considering who we chose to represent us at any level of government. A moron can run for office, doesn’t mean he should win.

          • torontothegreat

            Exactly.
            Knowledge is all relative anyways. You may be able to solve great scientific problems, but have no idea how to change a tire. Does that make you stupid? Hardly.

          • iSkyscraper

            You make a fair point and I apologize for offending you. I should have known better than to use such a poor proxy for intelligence as finishing school. It’s not unheard of for political types — Karl Rove dropped out, Rush Limbaugh dropped out, even Harper dropped out for a while, and those are some very smart people (whatever you think of their politics).

            What I was trying to get at is that Ford may or may not be drunk some of the time, but he is dumb all of the time and this is why I think people find him so erratic. I’m not trying to be elitist in saying that, although I suppose I will get painted as such. I just truly believe he lacks the mental faculties for the job of being the mayor of a very large city. Looking at his background, his dropping out of school, to no productive end, was a giant red flag and I was always amazed that he was able to use this as a positive, like some populist man of the people.

            Doug Ford is a different story — he is sharp, and I fear him for it. Rob may just be the prelude to the Doug Daley Ford dynasty.

          • vampchick21

            I think Rob took a page out of the book of some elements of the American Right, where they demonize education for some bizzare reason. He didn’t take it as far as they do, but it seems to appeal to a small element of society who truly believe that an education is a damaging thing. It’s something I just plain don’t understand at all.

          • torontothegreat

            It’s probably because a larger element truly believes that not having an education is a damaging thing. I’m not defending anyone by saying that, I’m just pointing it out.

          • Glenn Storey

            i honestly doubt that doug is much smarter.

          • dsmithhfx

            You can be smarter than Rob, yet still very, very stupid.

          • torontothegreat

            I hear you and I appreciate you recognizing my point as a valid counter rather than trying to be a pompous jerk.

            I totally agree with you, unfortunately the electorate failed the entire city, it’s not as though this information wasn’t readily available and communicated firmly during the election. Only those that voted for Ford or didn’t vote at all can be blamed for that.

            What really blows my mind, still to this day, is that the public knows very well he’s extremely wealthy and always has been – how the hell did these people get duped into believing he IS a populist man of the people?

          • dsmithhfx

            You must hate the summer then.

  • Chester

    The Toronto Star should really consider retaking Journalism 101, or make their source public, because other than doing that and actually backing this “story” up with empiricle evidence, what their saying about the mayor is pretty slanderous. I cannot remember a time in this good citys history that a mayor or any public official has been attacked so maliciously and vigorously by a “newspaper”. Its no shock that The Stars core readership is not a Ford supporter or that their pollitical and social ideologies are far apart, but to besmirch the reputation of a man who was Democraticlly elected by a majority of Torontonians on no evidence and “anonymous sources” is ethiclly and journalisticly wrong. Shame on you Toronto Star what your doing and saying is tanamount to tabloid Jerry Springeresque sensationalism. Perhaps if you presented a story with less bias, more facts, reliable sources your readership and trustworthyness would not be relegated to the scrap heap.

    • tyrannosaurus_rek

      Journalism 101 covers such things as source protection, doesn’t it?
      Ford’s reputation was mud before this story broke, and it broke to wide acknowledgement that it merely put into words what everyone at City Hall has known for years.

    • vampchick21

      The Star quite clearly stated that those sources that are anonymous specifically requested that they remain anonymous due to their fears of political backlash, or did you conveniently overlook that part? As for Journalism 101, perhaps you need the refresher? Deep Throat. And I ain’t talking the blue movie.

    • iSkyscraper

      There’s a fair bit of irony in calling the Star “springeresque” given that Rob Ford is much more akin to playing the role of Jerry Springer here.

      (Jerry Springer being the not exactly renowned former councillor and mayor of Cincinnati.)

    • Fester

      Sure thing, Chester. If the Star’s story is as slanderous as you say, Rob Ford can sue them. We will all wait patiently for ol’ Robby to open his books in court.

    • torontothegreat

      Enough with the “He was electing democratically, you can never speak negatively about him again” bullshit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ali-Babba/670457795 Ali Babba

    So Sarah Thompson really is a coke whore….