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Hot Box Cafe’s Bad Buzz

Toronto's best-known stoner lounge is scrambling for a backup plan after learning that its property has been sold to Jimmy's Coffee.

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The property at 191 Baldwin, home of the legendary Hot Box Café, has been up for sale for almost all of the 11 years the pot-friendly business has been there. Café owner Abi Roach knew it would sell one day, but she expected to hear about it from her landlord.

Instead, a phone call from the media alerted Roach to the news that Jimmy’s Coffee—a regular, no-pot-allowed café—has purchased the Hot Box’s building, with the intention of moving in. This would be a sister location to the first Jimmy’s store, on Portland Street.

“It’s a long time to be in the same building paying rent to the same person, and not even get notice,” Roach said. She had operated a pot paraphernalia business out of the space since 2001, but didn’t open the café until 2003. Lately, the Hot Box has been on a month-to-month lease.

Roach said she and her landlord, Bill Giaouris, have had “a great relationship” over the years, until now. An employee at one of Giaouris’ other properties confirmed that he is currently out of the country and cannot be reached.

News of the change at 191 Baldwin spread quickly on social media. Several of Hot Box’s customers and supporters expressed outrage at Jimmy’s Coffee on Twitter.

Hot Box Cafe owner Abi Roach will soon lose her patio and property on Baldwin Street. Photo by Desmond Cole.

Phil Morrison, the owner of Jimmy’s Coffee, will take over 191 Baldwin Street on October 1. In a phone interview, he said he and his business have never received so much publicity, and that much of the anger against Jimmy’s is misplaced. “It sounds like things weren’t communicated properly, but it wasn’t my job to communicate that. I don’t need hate mail and my name being slandered,” he said. He also resents the fact that some associate his arrival with Kensington Market’s ongoing gentrification.

“Starbucks has 16,000 stores; this is our second,” he said. “Change is everywhere and change is good.”

Roach, for her part, seems optimistic about the long-term future of the Hot Box Café, which has earned a spot in the the hearts of downtown marijuana users by offering a safe place for patrons to smoke (but not buy, sell, or beg for) pot. She has a second business in the market: a pot paraphernalia store a stone’s throw away at 204 Augusta, with a ten-year lease. However, that location is not licensed as a café, and while Roach goes through the process of obtaining city permits and completing renovations, she will have to lay off many of the café’s 15 employees.

Kensington Market BIA coordinator Yvonne Bambrick is disappointed with the situation. “I don’t like the idea of people losing their jobs,” she said. Bambrick added that the Hot Box brings people to the neighbourhood, and contributes to Kensington’s reputation as an eclectic and exciting neighbourhood.

Morrison says he wants to create a safe, clean place in the Market. Currently, he finds the neighbourhood somewhat lacking as a family destination. “We go there right now and I’m scared to eat in half of the places,” he said. Even so, he hopes he can ease any tension that might accompany his arrival by forming good relationships with existing community members. “The last thing I wanna do is go in there with a bunch of people hating my guts.”

Roach is planning to liquidate inventory at sidewalk sales next month and plow ahead with plans to re-open the cafe as soon as possible. “I know what I have to do now,” she said. “I have to change the whole business model to survive. I’m not going to disappoint my staff and the community.”

Comments

  • David Silverberg

    Props to the Cafe to doing its thing all these years, really hope the potio resurfaces in some form in the fall

  • Mark Bee

    If Morrison wants to get along with his neighbors, perhaps stating that he is scared of the cliental in the market is a poor start. The market is very family friendly, and if Morrison can’t see that, he should think twice about opening there. At this point I think I’ll stick with Ideal or Moonbean.

    • Goldfisher

      Read his clarification of the “quote”. Cut the guy some slack.

      • Drew

        I read it.. Doesn’t really make sense.
        “We go there right now and I’m scared to eat in half of the places,” ”
        Every member of our staff, including Phil, hang out in Kensington. And he didn’t mean to suggest we were scared except for the state of the building we will be renovating.” So his clarification is he didn’t mean it, and “half of the places” means his own building? And you buy this?

        • JImmy’s Coffee

          The reporter misquoted Phil. He wouldn’t insult a neighbourhood where he just bought a building. But there was a reason the building was on the market for 11 years, it is in shambles. A few things to note about the story, it was written before we were interviewed. And, we have asked for some corrections to be made to the quotes, as they were wrong. Not all reporters get the story right. In this case, the building was for sale for 11 years, Hot Box could have bought it at anytime, but didn’t either due to poor management or poor finances. Phil did and is willing to invest in Kensington and renovating the space.

          • anonymus

            of course he wouldnt, regardless of what he means or at least actually said, because that would be bad for business. you cant say you resent being labelled as part of the gentrification of a hippied out location (which is not really meant for children though isnt unsafe for them) and then go on about how it inst a family place etc. NO KIDDING PHIL. and we dont burn cones down in chucky cheese or in toyr r us cause that is a family place… that really sounded like a lame scrabling for word like ” oh yeah uh um and its not a bad thing that im closing this beloved institution for a coffee bar because uh uh this eclectic marijuana cafe neighbourhood isnt exactly family friendly so i um yeah thats it i wanna change that”… wanker.

    • Anonymous

      I love Moonbean, but Jimmy’s is where my heart is…

  • Anonymous

    “We go there right now and I’m scared to eat in half of the places,” he said. Even so, he hopes he can ease any tension that might accompany his arrival by forming good relationships with existing community .
    Not a very good sound bite for hoping to ease tensions.

  • JImmy’s Coffee

    Jimmy’s Coffee is excited to be a part of the Kensington Community. And the building would have to be renovated no matter the circumstances as it needs extensive restoration. But the building wasn’t clean or maintained and it is about to be revitalized. We also employ many talented baristas in the GTA. Many of the quotes above appear to be taken out of context. We care for the communities we operate in, and we wish Hot Box all the success in their new location.

    • OgtheDim

      I feel for you on the out of context but the whole scared thing needs to be clarified.

    • Anonymous

      As a coffee addict and Market resident (though not a Hot Box regular) and someone who feels lucky to be raising a family here, Jimmy’s won’t be getting my business. A) We already have a plethora of good coffee options, and B) it’s obvious the owner is a dick. The place is a real life Sesame St! If you don’t think that a neighbourhood with slow-to-no traffic, a wide range of healthy and interesting food, and a never-ending parade of street and park activities is a family destination, what would you classify as one? A Chuck-E-Cheese in a strip mall?

      Given how ridiculous that statement is, it can only be code for gentrification. I’d bet that the plan is to give the coffee shop a go, and if (when) it doesn’t work out, just flip the building to whatever other “serial entrepreneur” wants to have a go at invigorating their brand by slapping some Market patina on it.

      • elwood

        perfect!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=28134302 John Spence

      Just what this city needs: another generic coffee shop with an attitude.

      • JImmy’s Coffee

        In fact, we pride ourselves on not having an attitude.

  • Warren

    I don’t see how Mr. Morrison plans on getting along with his neighbours when he clearly wishes to change the neighbourhood. “Family-Friendly” is his way of saying “gentrified.” I get that this is business, but public relations are too. The deal he made earned him bad press, he has to accept that.

  • KAy

    Perhaps Kensington doesn’t need a family environment. Its for young creative, expressive people. Take your family somewhere else instead of injecting them into this space. This is a huge disappointment and I refuse to ever buy anything from this strore.

    • http://twitter.com/DavisvilleHabit LeCorbusier

      I hear ya. But I would argue that the market is a very family friendly place. I’ve been in that area for 30 years and there are always tons of families enjoying the market. Sadly, it seems that Jimmy’s ideal family is not the sort that currently inhabit the market. His shop represents the gentrification the market has resisted for years. Lets hope we can protect what we have. We dont need Jimmy’s.

      • Goldfisher

        How does Jimmy’s Coffee equate to gentrification? Because he owns another small coffee shop? Abi Roach already owns three shops in Kensington. So what? Because he sells coffee and pastries? So does Hot Box. So what? Give yer wee head a shake now.

        • Warren

          I would argue that it is gentrification, as Jimmy’s Coffee appeals more to middle-class clientele than does Hot Box or much of Kensington. It’s not so much about what’s being sold or in what volume, but who it’s being sold to.

          • Anonymous

            Really? I’m a daily regular at Jimmy’s and your comment is both unfounded and completely out of line. Especially considering most coffee is cheaper at Jimmy’s than say Moonbeam (just as an example, I love Moonbeam too).

          • Warren

            You’re exaggerating… you may disagree with me, but that does not mean my opinions are unfounded nor out-of-line. Jimmy’s markets itself as “Coffee for the heart of King West,” an area I’m sure we can agree has a very different atmosphere than Kensington.

            As others have mentioned, Kensington attracts creative, artistic types. Yorkville acts as a precedent in this type of gentrification, where the eclectic scene attracted gentrification which then completely restructured the neighbourhood to become the upscale destination it is today. These points are detailed in this paper by Vanessa Mathews: http://usj.sagepub.com/content/45/13/2849 (Artcetera).

            Interesting about the price differences though, I was not aware of that. However do you really love Moonbean when you don’t know the proper name?

          • Anonymous

            “You’re exaggerating… you may disagree with me, but that does not mean my opinions are unfounded nor out-of-line.”

            You know who can afford to smoke pot by renting a vapourizer? Middle class. Know who can afford cheaper coffee? Everyone. So yes, your comment IS in fact unfounded and baseless.

            “Kensington attracts creative, artistic types.”

            LOL, and King west doesn’t? Really? You realize how many “creative” agencies and independents are on King St. West? The building I work in has 6 small independently owned creative shops alone.

            Before all these so-called “creative-types” moved in who did the area attract? It’s also pretty disingenuous to suggest that the area only attracts these types of people and then in the same breath claim the area is eclectic (which I agree with more than this exclusivity of “creative-types” you claim).

            “However do you really love Moonbean when you don’t know the proper name?”

            Moonbeam is what my auto correct assumes is the word I’m typing as “moonbean” is not a regular word. Smoking gun, it is not.

          • Warren

            If you could form an argument without the insulting commentary, I would think you had something worthwhile to say. Are you saying that King West & Kensington are the same kind of neighbourhood? You obviously see only what you want to see, and I am suspicious that you work for Jimmy’s given that your comments are coming in at about the same time. Enjoy your coffee.

          • Anonymous

            Accuse me of being insulting to you (when I haven’t). Don’t counter anything I say, then you end it all with an inflammatory and untrue remark. Bravo sir!

          • Warren

            I’ve provided expert theories on gentrification to exemplify my points, which you have conveniently ignored.

            You’ve accused me of being disingenuous, which is hardly complimentary.

            You are grasping at anything, and this is much more important to you than me. I’ve not insulted Jimmy’s Coffee, merely said they appeal more to the middle-class and are a symbol of gentrification, not the sole one. Again, this is due to the fact that they have claimed that 1/2 of the existing cafes are scary (which they said was taken out of context, and are now claiming they were misquoted). If the terminology offends you, that was not my intention. However, when you choose to twist my words (example: I never claimed exclusivity) and ignore even expert theories, I don’t see there is much more that can be said here.

            For the record, I have never been to the Hot Box Cafe because I would rather smoke in my own home.

          • Anonymous

            “ignore even expert theories”

            Love me some good “theories” but love me better some good “facts”. You have failed to refute any of mine, clearly you’re only hear as the cheer leading squad *yawn*.

            Good luck with your “theories” and your grim predictions of the future, whilst “arm-chairing” an opinion based on a place you’ve never stepped foot in.

          • Warren

            If you presented any “facts” there would be something to refute. You’ve proven nothing, merely stated your opinions.

            Get off your high horse. You know nothing about me, have not asked, but have me all figured out?

            Happy trolling, Jimmy’s.

          • Anonymous

            Fact: You’ve never been to Hot Box Cafe or Jimmy’s Coffee.
            Result: *facepalm*

          • Warren

            When did I state that I had not been to Jimmy’s? You are pretty lenient in your criteria for determining what is factual when it’s convenient for you (i.e. you think your assumptions are facts), yet you dismiss my opinions, and expert theories for that matter.

            Result: smh

            This has been fun, but it’s Saturday night & I am going to have adult conversations at places that sell liquor. Again, enjoy your coffee! (sucks when they troll back, doesn’t it?)

          • Anonymous

            “Interesting about the price differences though, I was not aware of that.”

            Have fun tonight.

          • Warren

            Plans delayed so I’ll bite one last time. That was about Moonbean & Jimmy’s, so you’ve still proven nothing. I do not feel I need to visit every establishment in an area to know what it is like, and having been to Jimmy’s I can comment on it regardless if my perception is different than yours. You were arguing with someone else that tastes are subjective.

            So if you only have a theory, why did you dismiss those of experts before? It’s too bad we couldn’t have a reasonable discussion, but if you have different standards for yourself than others there is no way we can.

          • Anonymous

            If that’s the case then KM’s gentrification began decades ago. Meat and cheese and coffee shops are staples of the uppity yuppie demographic.

          • Warren

            This is true, although I’m not exactly sure on the timeline and those types of shops are not exclusive to yuppies (hence: to whom it is sold… Pusateri’s & No Frills both sell olive oil for example, but it doesn’t make No Frills popular with yuppies).

            I know I heard a lot of complaints when nightclubs were opening a few years back in KM. From what I have seen though, KM has resisted gentrification the most though it seems inevitable. Areas like Parkdale & Regent Park became “desirable” (i.e. gentrified) within a few short years, whereas the process is much longer in KM because of this resistance.

          • JImmy’s Coffee

            We appeal to all ages, demographics, incomes and types of people. We welcome everyone.

          • Warren

            Oh I never said that you didn’t welcome anyone, but no one appeals to every demographic.

    • http://www.facebook.com/blitzen13 Jacy Stephanie Blitz

      Excuse me, but MY market includes families and always has. Punks, kids, seniors, dogs, fishmongers and yes, even young creative people are all welcome. What isn’t welcome is yet another trendy cafe . We have plenty of those. Such a shame for the Hot Box and especially the staff, but I’m sure we’ll see them up and running again soon.

  • Beshaaram

    It’s stupid to call out families just because this gentrifier says he and his family are too scared to eat in the Market. My family and I are regulars, we shop there, eat there and hang out. Jimmy’s won’t be welcome but neither are comments that put “young creative, expressive people” – whatever that means.

  • Paul Farnan

    earth to Phil…why on earth would you want to open a coffee shop in an area you are “scared to eat in half of the places” ? good luck selling a single coffee bud. Kensington is a pretty unique area of the city, and the people that go there most certainly like it for the reasons you don’t. as my dad would say…”give yer head a shake”.

  • Jason

    Kensington Market has room for all awesome local business! Welcome, Jimmy’s Coffee! Best of luck to Abi and the Hot Box. Haters, take your negativity elsewhere, you’re killing my buzz.

  • JImmy’s Coffee

    Every member of our staff, including Phil, hang out in Kensington. And he didn’t mean to suggest we were scared except for the state of the building we will be renovating. It needs a great deal of work. We love Kensington. We wouldn’t move there otherwise. Over 3 years ago, Jimmy’s Coffee bought a run down house on Portland and renovated it and brought in the neighbourhood to enjoy the space again. We do charity events for local programs like Sketch and support local artists. We are all about the community and treating people well. And, again, the interview was taken out of context of the questions and the rest of what he said about Kensington.

    • Drew

      “We go there right now and I’m scared to eat in half of the places,” Which half, and how does that translate into your sole fear being the state of the building you purchased? I’m all for proper context, but the context you’ve provided doesn’t match up with the statement.

  • Marushka

    This guy sounds like a douche. Our Kensington-loving family will definitely not be visiting his establishment. Hot head to take over Hot Box should be the headline.

  • Anonymous

    Amazing. I can now get a great coffee in the market.

    • http://twitter.com/DavisvilleHabit LeCorbusier

      You already could.

      • Anonymous

        Isn’t that for me to decide?

        • Anonymous

          That depends: what do you know about coffee?

          • Anonymous

            Tastebuds. How do they work?

          • Anonymous

            Apparently yours don’t.

          • Anonymous

            Thanks for letting me know how my personal preference is different from yours. Fact: I already know that. Fact: You obviously are too binary to realize it.

          • Anonymous

            I’m sensing anger and hostility…

          • Anonymous

            I think you need to work on your pathetic trolling skills a bit more… You’re only annoying to the point of ignoring.

  • Anonymous

    “Family-friendly?” Good grief. Kensington Market is one of the few truly anarchic and creative public places in the city, that’s what makes it great, and I think most kids would agree with that. I’m sure there are families that don’t care for the scene, but that has nothing to do with them being families, and everything to do with being uptight/bourgeois/consumerist sheep/(fill in the blank)… *My* family loves Kensington.

  • Goldfisher

    If the building housing Hot Box Cafe has been for sale for 11 years and if maintaining that location was so important to he,r then restaurant and retail entrepreneur Abi Roach, as owner of Hot Box Cafe, Roacho-Rama and Funky Junky, might well have years ago formulated a business plan focused primarily on making preparation to purchase that property. The building certainly wasn’t worth much eleven years ago.

    Abi Roach’s landlord was and presumably (until the building sale’s closing date (Oct 1st?)) still is Bill Gianouris who is “out of the country and can’t be reached”. No one is to blame here but it’s Mr. Gianouris who who didn’t personally notify Ms. Roach that there was a ‘SOLD’ sign on the front of her cafe and that her “month-to-month lease” would be up soon. Given that this is business and she was on a month-to-month lease and the building had a large new For Sale sign on it, you’d think Ms. Roach would have not been caught unawares that she should make plans to move Hot Box to a new location. Endless public hatred for the building’s innocent purchaser, Jimmy’s Coffee, is absolutely unwarranted. It’s a bizarrely tasteless personal and business decision on the part of Abi Roach to publicly denounce a fellow merchant, Jimmy’s Coffee, by openly campaigning to taint Mr. Morrison’s reputation and impact his future business plans. And why? Because they bought a property and want to establish a business?

    Apparently Ms. Roach had two months notice to move Hot Box and she’s decided to move it to the Roacho-Rama store on Augusta, which she owns. Why then does she state she’s selling off her inventory and laying off her 15(?) employees? She’s not going out of business. She’s just moving. She’s also asking people to donate money to help her move. So pathetic for someone who owns three for-profit businesses to ask for donations. Did I miss something? Is she running three charities? From the Hot Box Twitter account “Need to raise $40,000 to move… Help #savehotbox donate”. And this is a business?

    Re. Mr. Morrison’s comment about being “afraid” to eat in some of Kensington Market’s restaurants, I’m in Kensington Market almost every day and I agree. Take a look around. I won’t name them but there indeed are a few dogs, and good for them. They have their patrons and I wish them success. Regardless, Mr. Morrison has been put on the defensive by the incessant attacks on Jimmy’s Coffee. His crime? Investing in Kensington Market. Kensington Market BIA, be afraid, be very afraid. Rather than encouraging Abi Roach you should be trying to defuse her baseless venom. She is actively seeking to undermine the area’s reputation as a welcoming neighbourhood in which to invest.

    The ongoing hatered for Jimmy’s Coffee by Hot Box is pathetic in that it’s a patently obvious attempt to discourage Jimmy’s Coffee from proceeding with its plans. And it would seem from the article that rather than try to defuse the situation, Kensington Market BIA coordinator Yvonne Bambrick seemingly endorses Hot Box’s rants. Is her job not to promote harmony amongst merchants rather than endorsing open hostility by one against the other, and in particular one who’s sole ‘crime’ is investing heavily in the area? Is that not what Ms. Bambrick is paid to do?

    Oh yeah. Look at the photo at the top of the article. See Kensington Carpets going out of business sale. One of the reasons he lost his investment was the smell of ganja from Hot Box Cafe on one side and House of Moses on the other. It did nothing good for his attempts to attract customers into his store to buy carpets. Regardless, he took his lumps and left without a negative comment to anyone. Still loves the Market. Now that’s class. Um… Ms. Roach? You take anything from that? And you’re just moving.

    On a lighter note, I suspect Ms. Roach’s biggest problem after she moves will be whether her regular customers can remember where the Hot Box Cafe has moved to.

    • Cuppa

      Great post. That Hotbox is asking for donations to help it move (a few blocks) is particularly pathetic.

    • A

      Actually Kensington carpet moved to Calgary

    • jacob donawa

      Lol, kensington carpets has NEVER had custumers, even before Roash a Rama, and he WASN’T EVEN OPEN HALF THE TIME, again nothing to do with Roach a Rama.

      • Goldfisher

        Fact. Kensington Carpets was open for twelve years, seven days a week, 11 am to 7 pm. You should ask Ali the owner what drove his business down. He moved to Calgary but had no intention of ever closing his flagship store in Kensington.

    • Yvonne

      I think your interpretation of my quote in this piece is unfair and somewhat inflammatory. I simply expressed disappointment in the possibility of people losing their jobs as a result of the situation. That is most definitely not ‘endorsing open hostility’ between merchants.

      • Goldfisher

        Quote: Kensington Market BIA coordinator Yvonne Bambrick is disappointed with the situation. “I don’t like the idea of people losing their jobs,” she said. Bambrick added that the Hot Box brings people to the neighbourhood, and contributes to Kensington’s reputation as an eclectic and exciting neighbourhood.

        - You’re clearly in Hot Box Cafe’s back pocket and that’s inappropriate. Now’s the time for you in your official capacity as Kensington Market Business Improvement Association Coordinator to say something non-partisan, welcoming and positive to Jimmy’s Coffee’s about their decision to invest heavily and create jobs in your jurisdiction. They deserve no less. “Business Improvement Association.” Words to live by.

        • Yvonne

          As with everyone else, i was surprised by the situation. The writer asked me what i thought about the impact of the unexpected move, and about what Hotbox has meant to the community – I simply answered the question. That is no reason to make the assumption that I’m in anyones back pocket, and your statement could in fact be considered libellous. I was asked in my capacity as Coordinator to speak about something affecting a long-standing member of the Kensington Market BIA community, which I did. By the way, BIA stands for Business Improvement Area.

          • Anonymous

            The parent asked you to make some positive statement about Jimmy’s. I think it’s fair to ask why you haven’t. I’m a little shocked that instead, you jumped straight to an accusation of libel.

          • Goldfisher

            Your clarification seems reasonable enough and I apologize if you take offense to my comment as perhaps it was an inappropriate cliché. A statement must of course be proven false to be classified as libelous. I’m not aware that you’ve yet made a written comment here or elsewhere about the positive impact of this entrepreneur making a substantial investment within your BIA jurisdiction. If I’m mistaken please direct me to your statement(s). Until you’ve made such a commitment it would seem reasonable that whether true or not, you will appear to be partisan and given that, one might assume Hot Box Cafe is enjoying the ride at the expense of Jimmy’s Coffee.

          • Anonymous

            Maybe she doesn’t think it will have a positive impact and doesn’t feel that her role includes having to placate sockpuppets.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=806895502 Koko Kinda

    i hope he get bankrupt >_< ! i love hotbox cafe !

    • Cuppa

      Why, dumbdumb? Hotbox is just moving to another location still in the market.

  • neon_crayons

    There are no words for how much I dislike this fact….

  • Cuppa

    Awwwww, now all the pathetic 45 year old chubby punkers who chug Holstein by the TD bank machine are upset.

    • Market resident

      Wow his just shows the complete disrespect these people have for Kensington and its long time residents

      • http://twitter.com/DavisvilleHabit LeCorbusier

        Agreed. Why don’t Jimmy and Cuppa stay down on King in condo land and leave the market alone?

    • Anonymous

      They have cows at the bank machine?

  • http://circusesnotbread.wordpress.com/ Barnum Bailey

    Wow, what a bunch of knee jerk reactionaries…the guy who bought the building isn’t at fault for anything other than – depending on if his words were used to imply something he didn’t mean – saying too much when the ill-informed sent him hate mail…and the owner of the Hot Box should have seen the neon writing on the wall when the landlord moved her from some form of longer term lease to a month by month lease…was there no discussion of why he wanted to move month to month? or is there some suggestion that the owner shouldn’t be allowed to sell his building?

  • Abi roach

    The hotbox is a restaurant. Th fundraising is to upgrade our new building to be a restaurant and to go through the committee of adjustments to get a patio. Not to move a block. People will be laid off because we are not getting sufficient time to make these moves. We did not buy the building because it was wayyyyy over priced, falling apart n being a single self employed woman, getting a mortgage is difficult.

    Hotbox will relocate but it will be a slightly different hotbox but the great vibes n people will be there. We love and always will love Kensington market, it’s our hood and we’re not leaving.

    Mr Morrison will have quite a shock when he realizes how much fixing that building will cost and that he will not get a Patio license, which is why he bought the building I’m sure.

    • Goldfisher

      Abi Roach: “The hotbox is a restaurant. Th fundraising is to upgrade our new building to be a restaurant and to go through the committee of adjustments to get a patio. Not to move a block.”

      - I’ve never before heard of a for-profit business conducting fundraising to build infrastructure and personal wealth. Will you be revealing the amount your charitable donations received to the CRA or will the money quietly get shoved into your pocket? You as an entrepreneur should be doing something charitable in appreciation of your customers, not the other way around.

      Abi Roach: “People will be laid off because we are not getting sufficient time to make these moves.”

      - You say you have 15 employees. How many are part-timers? I doubt you have more than 3 or 4 full-timers. The part-timers likely have other jobs to go to and will come back to you when you get settled. I understand you’re moving Oct 1st. That was two month’s notice given. One would assume you’ll operate out of your current cafe until the last week of Sept. You’ll likely have a down-time of a month or so by which time you should be licensed for food service. Your new patio doesn’t have to be licensed to smoke weed so you can use it immediately for that and by October and beyond it’ll be too cold to serve food out there anyway. Your patio will be licensed for food by spring. Sounds like business as usual.

      Abi Roach: “We did not buy the building because it was wayyyyy over priced, falling apart…”

      - I know real estate. It was for sale at $730,000. Given the size of the property and the steady upward trend in Kensington Market prices, it was not “over priced” at all. Great investment.

      Abi Roach: “n being a single self employed woman, getting a mortgage is difficult.”

      - You sell us women short and being a woman yourself, you should know better. With three going-concern businesses in your name, if your books are accurate and up-to-date, getting a mortgage would have been easy

      Abi Roach: “Mr Morrison will have quite a shock when he realizes how much fixing that building will cost and that he will not get a Patio license, which is why he bought the building I’m sure.”

      - Apparently he bought a decrepit house on Portland which he renovated, got the required permits and in which he built his business. I’m confident as a businessperson he knows what he’s getting into and won’t be asking his patrons to donate their money to support his bottom line.

  • Goldfisher

    An August 3rd Tweet from Jimmy’s Coffee stated “we appreciate the turmoil this has caused for you (Abi Roach) and your customers, please raise the issue with your landlord”. Her current landlord is the current pre-sale owner of the building, and not Jimmy’s Coffee.

    Phil Morrison’s states in the article, “We go there right now and I’m scared to eat in half of the places”. Even Abi Roach admits in the Comments section, “We did not buy the building because it was… falling apart.” “Mr Morrison will have quite a shock when he realizes how much fixing that building will cost…” Jimmy’s Coffee from the Comments, “But the building wasn’t clean or maintained…” The point is that Mr. Morrison’s statement is about the filthy decrepit condition of the building. Jimmy’s Coffee from the Comments, “And he didn’t mean to suggest we were scared except for the state of the building we will be renovating. It needs a great deal of work.” He’s simply saying he’s scared to eat in half the places inside the the building he just bought because it’s currently such a mess.

    Because Ms. Roach is quoted in print and posts on Twitter, I wouldn’t be surprised if her anti-jimmy’s Coffee campaign persists that she might quietly get a call from a lawyer suggesting she cease and desist. Another point is that if her rights were compromised by her landlord’s sale of the building then she should act against her landlord (seller of the building) rather than continuing to libel Phil Morrison and openly orchestrating her boycott Jimmy’s Coffee campaign.

    Even though Jimmy’s Coffee is being dragged through the dirt by Abi Roach and her band of Hot Box Cafe regulars, “There’s no such thing as bad publicity”. And there’s another well worn cliché, “Believe nothing you hear and half of what you see”. Jimmy’s Coffee in the Comments says, “Many of the quotes above appear to be taken out of context”. So much for Torontoist pro-Hot Box Cafe sensationalist journalism, and under the title, “NEWS”. News? Hope some other newspaper digs a little deeper into this and puts some facts on the table.

  • Anonymous

    Just popped in to Jimmy’s on Portland. No high chairs available that I could see, no kid-friendly menu options. As I left, no word of a lie, a dad pushing a stroller looked at the step and sighed “I guess I won’t be going here”. I’m not really loving this definition of family destination.

    Also, nice Bob Marley quote, assholes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000716295408 Arsenal Locker

    “We go there right now and I’m scared to eat in half of the places,” he said. Hmm…I must say that the quote sure evokes a certain distinction of a difference between the “We” and the “them” as if the one change will become the salvation of Kensington Market…The guy needs to wake up.

  • Emnice Majeck

    Phil Morrison of Jimmy’s Coffee wants to create a safe, clean place because he is “scared to eat in half of the places” in Kensington Market. I don’t care about the Hot Box cafe’s problems. If Abbi Roach was a good businessperson, she would have her shit under control. When you get into biz, you have to grow up and accept the responsibilities. I’m totally sold against this “Jimmy’s Coffee” place, though. Fuck you for thinking you’re better than the neighborhood you’re trying to take money from.

    • Abi Roach

      We did have our shit under control, until our landlords lied to us repeatedly and then had this monkey wrench thrown in. Our lease only ended 2 months ago and we were supposed to sign another if this deal did not go through August 1st, then my landlord disappeared and we were guaranteed by his son we were not being kicked out. We only found out through blogTO. This was supposed to be a secret so we’d have even less notice apparently. We have been in business since 2000 so really how bad at business can I be? Abz

      • Testu

        Bad enough that you have to ask for “donations” to help your for-profit business cover its moving expenses?

        Don’t get me wrong, from your explanation this was a total blindside. But you’re running a business, three actually, on the same block. Asking for charity to cover your expenses is amazingly sleazy.

        • Abi roach

          I really don’t think we will raise all the money necessary through a yard sale, of course we will be raising the money through our businesses, but we just went through a massive expansion last year, and not everyone is Donald trump, I run 3 very small businesses that employ alot of people, pay alot of rent and utilities, yes we have some of the money, but turning a retail store into a restaurant is a very very difficult and expensive process. Have a heart for the little guy.

  • beans

    The fundraising is “to upgrade our new building to be a restaurant and to go through the committee of adjustments to get a patio”? Roach owns 3 businesses and she can’t borrow 40 grand? What a gong show!

    • Abi roach

      I’m sorry how many restaurants have you had to move with no notice? See comments below :)

      • beans

        Not sure what having 2 months notice to vacate a property has to do with a business owner looking for handouts from people rather than a loan from a bank. if you didn’t clue in when your lease went month to month, then sorry, you ain’t much of a businessperson.

  • third generation KM son

    How is KM not family friendly? There are many Chinese and Portugese families that live on Oxford, Nassau, Bellvue, and Wales who have been in the Market before the owner of Jimmy’s was even likely born. These families send their children to school and playgrounds in the Market. Are they not families too? Or is the owner of Jimmy’s really saying that he wants to make it family friendly but obviously not for the families already living in the market, since they’ll be displaced by gentrification. Ah, family friendly, but only for Jimmy’s “kind” of family!

    • Al Waxman

      So, all the a-holes smoking up close to the kids’ playground in the park is what you’d consider family friendly?

  • Anonymous

    Who knew pot heads could be such hot heads?

    • anonymus

      people who dont steriotype people based on their representations in hollywood films and comedy routines and general plastic popular culture because people who smoke pot are simply people, who also smoke pot…

      • Anonymous

        It was a joke, get over yourself Serious Guy.

  • Anonymous

    I just finished reading Abi Roach’s facebook page:
    https://www.facebook.com/abi.roach and I’m actually really surprised Torontoist is covering this obvious malicious attempt to discredit Jimmy’s to her patrons and to the community in which she does business. As a business owner, she should be absolutely ashamed of herself.

  • ONE LOVE!

    This entire Hotbox affair might be a blessing in disguise for everyone. As Abi Roach continues to publicly lash out at a small business owner whose ‘crime’ was purchasing the building she’s rented for the past ten years, we’re given a good reason to look into who she really is and also to look further into her “small business” empire.

    On her Facebook page she states she owns Hotbox Cafe – 2003 to present, Roach-O-Rama – 2000 to present, Funky Junky – 2010 to present, Spliff Magazine – 2009 to present. If you go to Spliff Magazine, http://hotboxcafe.ca/Spliff/PDF/SPLIFF_v8.pdf page 12, you will see where the profits from her Toronto empire are invested and perhaps why she feels she must beg for donations to raise $40k to move her Hotbox down the street.

    What she’s failed to mention is that in addition to her three Toronto businesses (plus Spliff Magazine), she co-owns a sizable resort in Negril, Jamaica called Hot Box Negril. (Her partner is Montreal based Skunk Magazine (Stinkin’ it to The Man!), a for-profit marijuana-centric magazine with a hefty $89.95 / 10 issues subscription fee). Here’s the spiel from the current issue of Abi Roach’s Spliff Magazine, page 12:

    ~~~~~~~~~~~

    Hot Box Café & Skunk Magazine are proud to announce the upcoming opening of: Hot Box Negril I-Tal Resort.

    The Skunk lounge surrounds a beautiful 9 foot deep pool, a bong and booze bar, natural local food and drink. I-tal (Rasta vegan) and non vegan options at the Skunk restaurant are offered with a calabash of fresh local fruit & dishes. Wake N Bake (included with all room rentals).

    Combining two leaders in the Canadian Cannabis community: Creating a unique Ganja resort for stoners around the world, in the magical setting of: Negril, Jamaica 7 mile beach and natural beauty and mystic. Hot Box I-tal resort has 26 rooms, 10 apartments and the “freezeland” campground, surrounded by fruit trees, flower gardens and giant bamboos. This wonderful and private resort is across the road from the beautiful white sands and turquoise waters of the world famous Negril 7 mile beach. The Hot Box resort will bring all the fun the Hot Box Toronto, has created down to the magical island of Jamaica. A setting created by and for stoners. A great space for weed weddings, who doesn’t want a bouquet of fresh buds?

    Experience real Rastafarian livin! in the hills and a ganja farm tour or go to the magical caves of Rolling River, one of Bob Marley!s favourite meditation spaces. Hot Box Negril has many tours and day get a ways set up, experience the Jamaica most tourists never get to see.

    Canna-conferences, specialty retreats, or just a laid back high time vacation at affordable prices. Weekly packages starting at just $420 for 2 people for the week!

    ~~~~~~~~~~

    Where better to invest the profit of your three Toronto businesses? Your symbiotic relationship with Hotbox neighbour House of Moses now adds up too. Convenient.

    Check out Twitter account abiroach @hotboxnegril . There’s also a Hot Box Negril Album on the Abi Roach Facebook page.

    Beyond the money, you’ve got a lot of gall to publicly pose as a poor impoverished victim tossed into the street by a small owner-operated coffee shop. Where’s your pride lady?

    Nothing like a good smoke screen eh? Smoke… get it?

    • Anonymous
    • Abiroach

      Actually we are out of that business

      • Anonymous

        ORLY?!?!

        abiroach ‏@hotboxnegril 10 Jul
        @hotboxnegril #Jamaica #summer sizzle special!!! Rooms only $40 hotboxnegril@gmail.com Book now for special

        • Abi roach

          Actually yes we got out. If you check any of the links or websites they do not exist anymore.

          • Anonymous

            I think you’ve lost all credibility at this point and this convo is steering away from a point that the OP had made, which is convincing to say the least. Let me re-post it for you.

            “Where better to invest the profit of your three Toronto businesses?”

            “Beyond the money, you’ve got a lot of gall to publicly pose as a poor impoverished victim tossed into the street by a small owner-operated coffee shop.”

          • ugh

            thank god

          • ugh

            negril doesn’t need the likes of you.

  • SandyCohen

    Avi Hod aka Abi Roach failed to provide a safe and secure environment for her guests in jamaica, Ipods, clothes and other personal items were stolen along with cash and travellers cheques. She is begging for handouts after trying to hide money in jamaica, running her building into condemned state to keep rent low. She had an opportunity to buy the place and didn’t. The Hotbox has ruined KM, not helped.

  • SandyCohen

    Do they still have the poker games? I remember Avi Hod aka Abi Roach losing money left and right. The comedy show is lame and jokes are recycled week after week. The old guy sells shiity ineffective brownies and .6 gr/10 there every morning hanging around like a vulture with a lame sales line. The manager Dan is quite rude to the guests and creates a hostile environment. Avi Hod is an embarrassment to the market and it’s many wonderful business owners.

  • CATINA

    You are going to make it too expensive to eat. I liked the immigrants, and the working class flavour of the place. I even liked the ecentrics and the Bohemians…. Progress, you say, may be good, but is it progress if we get rid of any places in this city that well intended people with less start-up capital in their pockets to be able to start a shop in? Who is Jimmy? I am not looking for a rich place to eat at in Kensington…I am looking for a start up that is created by a person with HEART and AFFORDABLE PRICES.