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YRT Strike Turns to War

After a day of picketing, legislation, and accusation, the York Region Transit Strike continues.

Striking YRT workers descended on Finch subway station in force Thursday, bringing a dramatic end to five weeks of union policy that avoided putting strikers on picket lines. York Region matched the unions with strong reversals of their own, moving away from a stance of calmer neutrality and vocally condemning union policies as the YRT rerouted bus lines, trying to negate the impact of the pickets. The day would later find York Region Tory MPPs venting their own frustrations, calling out York Region Council on their actions in the strike during a failed bid to enact back-to-work legislation at Queen’s Park.

Several hundred strikers arrived at Finch Station Thursday morning to picket the Finch Bus Terminal for several hours, temporarily blocking the progress of YRT buses coming in and out of the terminal. Union reps pointed to comments connected to Conservative MPP Frank Klees on a lack of picket lines as goading Thursday’s efforts. They acknowledged the departure from a previous policy that called for few pickets, hoping to retain commuter sympathy.

“Obviously we’re always concerned about the impact on our passengers, particularly in York Region, but at some point we have to escalate our dissatisfaction with our employer,” said Bob Kinnear, president of Amalgamated Transit Union local 113, promising the weeks to come would see more picket lines going up.

YRT staff at the terminal responded by eventually setting up temporary bus stations on Bishop Street to bypass the picket lines. The unions attempted to counter the rerouting by sending strikers to picket the municipal intersection of Bishop and Willowdale. They relied on the right-of-way of pedestrians to sanctify the action as they walked slowly up and down intersection pathways at each green light.

“They’re turning this into a war. No problem—we’re up to the challenge,” said Kinnear on what he viewed as the YRT playing games with the strike.

Reactions from commuters at Finch varied wildly.

Mike Nateli, a 45-year-old self-described “angry construction worker” expressed deep dissatisfaction as he waited for his bus. “I don’t want to lose my job because some other assholes want to strike,” said Nateli on the service delays and stoppages and their impact on the commuters who depend on transit to get to work. “When this all started on the 24th of October, I’m lucky my line runs, because if not I can look for another job,” said Nateli, commenting on his long commute to work while using a line that’s one of the 40 per cent still in service. “Look at Richmond Hill—some people there are screwed,” he commented on those he says who haven’t been so lucky as he. “Even if my union strikes, I would never make it hard for people to go to work.”

“It sucks that I have to wait, but on the other hand I understand why they’re doing it,” said Megan Hines, a 22-year-old social services student at Seneca College, her own view far more sympathetic. “In order to get results they have to step things up, so that way they can get back to work,” she added. Hines noted that while it helped that they’ve only started picketing now, if they continue to do so, the strikers won’t lose her sympathy. “They have the right to picket. It’s part of what happens when people are locked out,” said Hines. “I don’t think it’s fair to say, ‘You’re never allowed to strike again,’” added Hines on the terms of the back-to-work legislation being debated that day in the Ontario Legislature and its essential service clause.

Bill Fisch, chairman of York Region Council, had his own choice words for YRT bus drivers and maintenance staff on the picket lines in a statement he provided to Torontoist.

“ATU Local 1587 and ATU Local 113 have held York Region transit riders hostage for over a month while refusing collective bargaining with YRT/Viva contracted operators,” wrote Fisch, maintaining that there is still a basis for contractors and unions to negotiate directly as he seemingly praised contractor efforts and claims.

Richard Leary, YRT general manager, argued that despite the public harshness of the chairman’s words, York Region was not singling out the unions or taking sides in the strike. “It’s being firm,” said Leary, that the message was part of York Region’s own strategy to adapt to the length of the strike, to make stronger demands for a return to negotiations. Leary stated that the same firm language characterized his private calls to the contractors to tell them to get back to the table.

Later that afternoon, Klees accused York Region council of “having failed the people that elected you.” Klees went so far as to suggest he would bring a bill forward that would functionally depose Chairman Fisch, making his position elected by the people of York Region directly. He advocated in the Ontario legislature for the passage of a private member’s bill to legislate the strikers back to work. The bill, presented by PC MPP Peter Shurman, would have sent strikers back to work immediately, established the YRT as an essential service, and sent negotiations to third-party arbitration. It was defeated in a vote of 67 to 37. The NDP refused to support an essential service clause, and the McGuinty Liberals argued the five-week–old strike would resolve itself soon by direct negotiation.

The Liberal viewpoint is not shared by striking workers.

“This is going to go on to New Year’s. This is going to be a long-haul fight,” said Alastair Sutter, a striking YRT bus driver, after the picket lines wrapped up. “We understand the commuters need us, but the companies feel they don’t,” Sutter added.

A day of frustration and conviction ended with another failed effort to resolve a transit strike that now moves ever closer to week six.

Photos by Mark Kay.

Comments

  • Dasha Zolota

    This strike is absolutely ridiculous. I live in Richmond Hill, north of Bernard Terminal, where service ends. I work four days a week, I’m a full-time student and an aspiring journalist. I’ve been heatedly following the strike since it started and it has been doing nothing but causing grief for everyone. It’s nice to know that these people can take a month off of work without pay, while the rest of us can’t afford it. What’s more, they’re wasting our time. It takes me close to two hours to commute downtown now, because of what’s going on… How much of our lives are we supposed to waste, being subject to their whims? Transit is definitely an essential service, and people should not be losing their jobs because they can’t get to where they need to be.

    • Anonymous

      Many people have a commute of over 2 hours on a good day, it takes me 1.5 hours to get to work on a good day, sometimes 2 hours or more if there are problems. Not everyone can afford to live close to where they work yet they still show up at work on time. Excuse me if your 2 hour commute due to this strike is hardly shocking compared to the daily reality of working class people.

      • Dasha Zolota

        Considering I commute over 20 times a week, (and it now takes me 30 minutes just to get within the service zone), you can be excused. I spend four hours a day commuting on average, and this is not including the hour total just to get within the functioning service line. I just think it’s especially unfair to the elderly and families. These buses get so packed that elderly people often can’t get seats, and imagine the nightmare that would be to bring a stroller on a bus. Also, the buses don’t follow their schedules. There were plenty of times where buses have left 7 minutes early. It makes getting to my early morning classes pretty much impossible, and no, getting up at 5 a.m. to go to a 50 minute tutorial makes absolutely no sense, and yes I understand, that that is my choice, not to get up that early. I know what I signed up for, and otherwise would have shifted my schedule to accommodate the strike if I knew it was happening. Hey, you can call me entitled, but I also know what I should be entitled to. I always pay for my transit fare, and I’ve been using transit since I was in the seventh grade. If I pay for a service, I damn well expect it. So please, save your sarcasm for someone who’s being irrational. I understand that the strikers have their issues, and that some parts of the job do suck, but we all have our work to do. In my opinion, transit is an essential service for those who cannot afford a car. I’m a student, paying for my own education, for my own things, and for my own transportation. Maybe if I was some spoiled upper class kid, then you’d have jurisdiction to act like you know exactly what kind of a person I am, and what kind of class I am. Wanna know something funny, I’m from a working family too. Big stinking deal – your sense of entitlement to judge others is amazing.

        • B1024512256

          Hey Dasha,

          You’ve got a very nice style, no sarcasm. Waiting to see your articles and good luck.

          Richmond Hill Resident

  • dude

    They should fire this bob kinnear guy. he hurt york region innocent like us

    • Anonymous

      Bob Kinnear works for his union members, not York region.

      • Freebird

        Actually it seems like BOb Kinnear is setting up how he can get the TTC more money when it comes to their negotiations. Too bad, he’s bankurpting 600 contract workers in york region to do it

      • mike126358

        Lets get it straight. It s not all of YRT’s fault. The contracted companies that YRT has for the buses are on strike. Not YRT. Miller Transit is one of them (the route that I take). All that unions do is cause problems. 12 fucking weeks is ridicules and irresponsible for any professional company to be or allow workers to strike that long! Too bad we don’t have the guts or time to rise up against this foolishness and protest against this situation. How about we all just not pay for the YRT for 12 weeks. Or we can go to the contractors locations and the union offices and block the driveways.

        If you smack the hornets nest you will get stung! It’s time to sting them!

  • Anonymous

    I really don’t understand how YRT drivers think they should make the same as Brampton or TTC. I live in Newmarket and at best the bus is 3/4s full. Usually it has 10 or less people on it. So they don’t have to stop at every stop, they don’t have to deal with the scum of the earth that populates Toronto etc. Easier work = less pay.

    Not to mention it is simply ridiculous to expect the same wages from an outsourced provider. The region is paying less than they would if they did it themselves and their company needs to make money too so obviously they are going to earn less than a system with no middleman.

    • Vote_NDP

      The unions here arent advocating for identical wages and benefits than other GTA agencies. Would you like it if you’re being paid peanuts for your work whereas workers identical to your position are being paid more.

      People, get your head out of the sand on this issue. I dont know what York Region councillors were thinking but contracted out transit is NOT the solution hence why 99% of transit agencies in Canada are publicly run. If you have a private company running the show, then they’re going to take their “cut” in profits hence there’s less for workers, maintenence and others. If you have a publicly run service then there’s no profits hence the money goes into workers, maintenence, lower fares or whatever.

      • Fatyfern

        to bad you people do not stop or ever on time

        • guess_who

          Blame the 40 doilar an hour schedule creaters at 50 high tech road for those buses that are “never on time”. They make schedules that can’t be followed even in the best operating conditions with no traffic! Drivers are not the ones to blame for late buses!

      • Anonymous

        The wage parity argument cuts both ways of course. You could also say that TTC workers are overpaid.

      • Paulbu123

        Don’t think so, we have had enough of this socialists grap, let them starve, no more high paid public service.

  • Elizabeth

    I find this strike very disheartening. I live at Bathurst and Jefferson Sideroad, and work full time at Elgin Mills and Yonge. I make minimum wage, and have been unable to work my usual shifts due to the strike. In an attempt to make ends meet as far as my bill, and my dog recently falling ill, I have put myself $3000 in debt in the last month. Because I am not making what I usually make, I haven’t even been able to make a dent in paying back what I owe, and am falling even further behind.

    If I want to get to work, I must take the 88 Bathurst to Major MacKenzie, and 4/4A Major MacKenzie to Yonge, and the 99 Yonge to Elgin Mills, this process takes me a hour and a half. I thought the North Richmond Hill routes were bad before, because the 81 (which takes me from my house, straight to work) only ran weekdays 5AM-9AM and 3PM-7PM. But this is ridiculous.

    • Anonymous

      Oh boo effing hoo! It takes me 1.5 hours to get to work on a good day. It takes a lot of people 2 hours or more to get to work so there is absolutely no reason that you cannot get to work just because of a 1.5 hour commute except that you are too lazy to do so, An awful lot of people can’t afford to live close to work, in case you haven’t heard long commutes are the norm in the GTA. Stop your whining and get back to work!

      • Anonymous

        Who the hell are you to tell a stranger they’re lazy for not commuting 2+ hours a day? You have no idea what other obligations people have that make that sort of commute impossible – kids they can’t leave for that extra 30+ minutes, class hours that don’t give them a 2 hour window before/after work, etc.

        • Anonymous

          I wasn’t aware the YRT had anything to do with people’s decision to have babies

        • Anonymous

          Because I’m sick and tired of whiners getting all bent out of shape because it causes them a little bit of inconvenience when workers go on strike for a just wage. The over developed sense of entitlement by many in our society is a disgrace, especially amongst young people, I work at a university and have been amazed at how the over developed sense of entitlement has grown so much over just the last 10-15 years. Avoiding going to work because it now takes her 90 minutes to do so is definitely an extremely over developed sense of entitlement, why should I have to work if its going to take me longer to get to work? Whatever happened to needing to work and doing what you have to make it to work to earn income to support yourself?

          She didn’t say she couldn’t make it to work because of her kids that can’t be left alone or because she’s taking classes that constrain her time, even if she did she could still go to work but just a bit late, employers are very understanding in such situations, apparently her employer is amazingly understanding for not firing her for refusing to come to work just because it now takes her 90 minutes to do so.

          I’m oh so sorry for her and others who have to spend a little longer to get places during the strike but that is life, you should be damn grateful that is the biggest problem you have. It takes me 90 minutes to get to work on a good day, sometimes up to 2 hours. I have to schedule the rest of my life around that commute and leave about 2 hours before my shift starts because I, like an awful lot of people, cannot afford not to work or to live close to work. Some of my friends spend up to 5 hours a day in transit since they have 2 or 3 different jobs just to get by.

          So yes I find people complaining they cannot get to work, not even late to work, because they’d have to do a mere 90 minute commute to be extremely grating to say the least. Obviously they don’t actually need the job f they can afford to go without getting paid just because of a 90 minute commute.

          Many people would be very grateful to have just a 90 minute commute and certainly couldn’t afford to miss work just because it took longer due to a strike. Now if it were going to take her 4-5 hours or longer to get to work that would be a different story, but just 90 minutes? Give me a break! Hell when I was in my 20s and my money ran out before payday and I could no longer afford transit I walked about 2 hours or so to get to work and then walked about 2.5 hours or so home again, it took me longer going home since I was so extremely tired after a long hard shift. I did that because I couldn’t afford to lose that job, unemployment was very high at that time. I would’ve been fired if I didn’t show up for work just because it took me a longer time to get there. Most people would be fired for missing work just because it took longer to get there than usual. I don’t know of anyone who has the luxury of not going to work just because it takes them a little longer to get to work due to a strike.

          • Anonymous

            “Because I’m sick and tired of whiners getting all bent out of shape because it causes them a little bit of inconvenience when workers go on strike for a just wage. The over developed sense of entitlement by many in our society is a disgrace”

            You’re complaining about the “overdeveloped sense of entitlement” you perceive, but then defend workers – who already make more money than their un-unionized counterparts elsewhere – striking to make even more because drivers elsewhere do, and dare to call it a “just wage” in reply to someone making minimum wage?

            Absolutely galling.

            “Many people would be very grateful to have just a 90 minute commute”

            Many people would be very grateful to drive a bus for minimum wage and modest dental coverage.

            I have no problem at all with the right to strike and collective bargaining, but punishing a third party – commuters who have no choice but to take the bus, workers without the luxury of a union to protect them when they show up 30 minutes late every day for 4 months, students paying for classes they can’t attend – instead of people involved in the dispute is a mistake unions keep making. If you make me late, get me fired, or piss away my tuition, why would I be on your side?

          • yaright

            “without the luxury of a union to protect them when they show up 30 minutes late every day for 4 months”

            -The smart ones would realize by day#2 that they need to adjust their schedule so they are not 30 minutes late every day for 4 months.

          • Anonymous

            Not everyone can, and nobody should assume otherwise. That extra 30 minutes each way may represent leaving children unattended, driving a vehicle they can’t afford to insure, or failing a class they now have to miss – what’s the smart decision?

            People have every right to be angry at being put in this position.

          • wow

            Drivers don’t make the schedule, the York Region does, call them and ask why the buses are late.

          • RealityCheck

            Drivers should follow the schedule then. What, is York Region driving the buses now? Take some responsibility for fuck sake.

          • WOW

            here we go again blaming the drivers, you try to make it from York U to MS Hospital in 45 min when you do please let us know!! XOX

          • pissedoff@yrt

            But some people can’t because they do not have cars or an alternate bus to take and that is what people do not understand.

          • wow

            It,s all about you, you you.

            “Many people would be very grateful to drive a bus for minimum wage and modest dental coverage”

            Jajajajajaj, I would love for you to just try and drive a bus with out stopping for 8 hours, getting hell for running late, not getting a lunch break, paying for benefits that don’t cover half the things you need……then I want to see how grateful you will be

          • pissedoff@yrt

            they do not get the minimum wage (11.60 or something like that) they get $21 an hour. so it is unfair for them to be striking at least in the winter because of the pain.

          • wow

            where do you get this information? $21 dollars an hour? if you do not know how much they make then don’t even comment.

          • Anonymous

            ” who already make more money than their un-unionized counterparts elsewhere”

            I hear graphic artists in China only charge 3 dollars an hour. You should demand that your work lowers your wage so you can be inline with your counterparts elsewhere.

            Race ya to the bottom!

            “why would I be on your side?”

            Nobody cares about who’s side you’re on.

          • Anonymous

            Trolls gonna troll.

          • Anonymous

            What is this, fucking 4chan?

          • Ticked_Commuter

            People aren’t complaining that they have to commute for two hours because thats the way its always been, they complain because its NOT supposed to be that way and they are FORCED to have to take the extra Unnecessary time because of whining little crybabies.

            The bus drivers don’t deserve more then what they get. All over the world people get paid more then others for doing the exact same job. They chose the company to work for. If they didn’t like the pay they should have found work elsewhere instead of ruining other peoples lives because they want more pay unjustly.

          • wow

            “instead of ruining other peoples lives because they want more pay unjustly.”
            well who are you to say it’s “unjustifiable? do you drive a bus? NO! what a surprise……

          • RealityCheck

            The real solution is to FIRE them all and have an automated transit system. Simple really; alot simpler than relying on a bunch of useless overpaid cunts to get you anywhere on time. Everybody wins. Except the profiteers and self entitled morons, ofcourse. And wow RICH you really are a dipshit, you have no idea of the commuting NIGHTMARE this “strike” has caused people, you might have 1.5 hours to dick around on a bus each day but the rest of York Region most likely doesn’t. Then again how the fuck would you know what it feels like to be the underclass. Arrogant prick.

          • wow

            temper, temper

      • Anonymous

        Unless you like looking like an idiot, I suggest you try looking at a map sometime. She is being so unreasonable because she expects to travel 6km in under 90 minutes?!? Oh, and how unreasonable of her to want to get to her destination without going 6km out of her way to get there.

        • Anonymous

          I’m sure everyone would love it if they could get to work much faster, that is totally reasonable to want that. What is totally unreasonable is simply not going to work just because it takes a measly 90 minutes to do so. I’m amazed she hasn’t been fired for missing so much work for such a crappy reason. Then again she obviously doesn’t need the job in the first place if she can afford to go so long without working just to avoid a longer commute.

    • Anonymous

      “I make minimum wage, and have been unable to work my usual shifts due to the strike.”

      “I have put myself $3000 in debt in the last month. Because I am not making what I usually make”

      Wow how much is min wage nowadays? 3k a month?

    • Anonymous

      I live in the same area (I’m Ben and work at the Loblaws at Bernard on weekends, if you want to stop by and say hi), and you might be better off to walk to work. Google says it should take about 60 minutes by foot to get there, which is faster and cheaper than the bus at this time. You may also want to consider getting a bike, since even a cheap one from the Canadian Tire might meet your needs for the time being. Depending on how much you can spend, you can get an electric bike from Sears’ US site for about $600

      http://www.sears.com/shc/s/s_10153_12605_Fitness+%26+Sports_Bikes+%26+Accessories_Bikes?filter=Bikes+Category%7CElectric%5EPrice%7C200-500&viewItems=25&intShip=3&intlDelivery=3

  • Moeyellowhummer

    Bill Fisch is an idiot, the contractors have said that the offer they gave to the union is their final offer, the union will not go back to the table unless their is something to offer them, so what’s the point of continuing negotiations, the members have already turned down that offer. I have a question, why does Bill Fisch, the contractors, the politicians all afraid of binding arbitration, here’s the answer, because they know that they have been screwing operators and maintenance staff for years. The union has stated with binding arbitration they would return to work immediately so who is screwing with the public sure not the union. To the commuters, blame the contractors, the politicians and foremost YORK REGION TRANSIT

    • Anonymous

      Offering binding arbitration is nothing more than a public relations tactic, offered by whichever side thinks they have the most to gain from it. I can point to several strikes in which the employer offered arbitration, and the union furiously rejected it as an infringement of their right to bargain.

    • Anonymous

      Worth noting that YRT has some of the highest fares, while having the lowest paid drivers and providing average service for the most part (referring to frequency of service, not how they deal with customers – which is generally highly professional and courteous). This is an excellent case where privatization only benefits the owners and contractors, while screwing everybody else.

      • RealityCheck

        Generally highly professional and courteous? Nice bullshit story there. I’ve met some YRT drivers who outshine the worst of the TTC. Especially some of those asshole VIVA cunts. Other than that I agree with most of your other points.

    • Paulbu123

      No one is interestd in overpaid bus drives, we have had enough

      • Angry student

        The bus drivers have the right to fight for more pay, but they should not be so selfish. They are sitting at home, and are still being paid. My family is losing money because of their selfishness. A whole family is affected, everyone has to compromise and work together to get to places. I don’t know why I left Toronto for York region, people call it a rich area i think it’s a bitch of a area.

  • Angry

    I have no one to drive me to and from school every weekdays and I arrive late for class. This is not acceptable. They cannot leave 70 000 commuters stranded and desperate to find alternate modes of transportation.

    • Anonymous

      Stop whining and leave earlier for school, its your responsibility to get yourself to school on time, not YRT’s. What a lot of over entitled people posting here. Such things as delays getting somewhere are a fact of life.

      You need to accept that no one owes you anything, take responsibility for your own life and stop whining and blaming your attendance problems on others. You being late for school is your own fault. Maybe not on the first day of the strike when you wouldn’t have known how long it’d take to get for you to get there without the usual bus service but its been many weeks now, more than long enough to figure that out.

      Lots of people have extremely long commutes on the best of days, its time for you to grow up and get over the delay caused by people struggling to make a decent living while the private contractors are rolling in their huge profits for doing so little and for taking no financial risks that would justify their massive profits.

      • Danielsnotes

        It is the regions responsibility to ensure that public transit is in place. Many people rely on transit, they are stranded if it isnt available. Commuters already already suffer from longer commutes than cars in most cases. This student has the right to be upset about being late for class, so leave her alone and stop being so inconsiderate.

        Commuters in York REgion have a right to complain, and they should complain. It is reprehensible that the region has not gotten involved to ensure that a resolution is in place six weeks into a needless strike.

        I do sympathize with the workers demands…it is YRT and these horrible multi-national companies that I hope will get the boot the next time contract comes due. Privatized models of transit delivery do not work.

      • Shoe_gal_1

        Buddy you just need to stop posting! Your an idiot that probably drives and has no idea what its like to take the bus. So please go focus on the community issue or get a life

      • RealityCheck

        I think you need to understand that PUBLIC transit is designed to get people to where they are going ON TIME according to the SCHEDULE. This isn’t just a delay, the service is completely NON-EXISTENT. If anyone is a self entitled piece of shit here, it’s YOU buddy. People don’t give a SHIT about how much money the contractors make, or how much the drivers are paid, all they care about is a reliable, affordable, dependable transit service. Is common sense not one of your strong points?

      • pissedoff@yrt

        to get to my school is a 10km walk. Now i would say fine that is ok, but when it is -15 outside i am not going to walk 10km to get to school. They should not have striked in the winter months, i am sorry but that is honestly the stupidest decision i have ever hear.. “oh yeah lets be arrogant and strike when the weather will get to -20, won’t that be funny” no.. it really is not..

    • Anonymous

      The alternative is to take away a charter right to strike. You okay with that?

      • Anonymous

        Quibble: There is no charter right to strike. (This is why back-to-work legislation is possible.)

        • Anonymous

          Don’t confuse him with facts.

          • Anonymous

            #fail

        • Anonymous

          I stand corrected. There is federal law which grants unionized workers a right to strike, unless they are public servants or an essential service (laws vary from province to province).

          Question still stands, replacing charter right with federal law.

  • Millicent_10

    How long this “bickering” will be fixed? This has gone to far! It’s been over a month since the strike began! When will this be over? Why are we being punished? The bus drivers should be grateful they have a duty on this earth, & SHOULDN’T ask for anything more! THIS IS WAY TOO MUCH for us to take! THIS STRIKE HAS GOT TO STOP! They must negotiate this mess immediately

    • Anonymous

      The drivers’ duty first and foremost is to their families and themselves to make sure they are earning a decent wage for the work they do.

      I hope you keep your comment in mind about how people shouldn’t ask for anything more when you’re working for a company that pays you a fraction of what workers in other companies doing the same job as you earn, or when you’re making minimum wage I expect you’ll go hungry instead of using a food bank because that would mean that you were asking for more than what your employer wanted to pay you, using a food bank would make you a total hypocrite.

    • Jonathan

      According to my math, the strike saves $77,000 per day. Divide that by 600 workers, and they get paid $128 per day. $128 divided by $23 per hour is 5.5 hours approximately. If they are fighting for equal pay with other transit companies in Ontario, they are looking at being paid $165 per day. Multiply that by 600 employees, and what do you get? $99,000. They’re looking for an additional $22,000 in wages. Multiply $22,000 by 30 days in a month, and you have $660,000. To give them what they are fighting for, and I hate to be the barrer of bad news, but you folks will likely be without public transportation until at least March or April, or at the worst, June or July. You people may as well add a new car to your Christmas wish list.

  • sunaina

    Its frustrating, people loosing jobs, delays to work by taking long routes. Y does not government do something here…Its really annoying.

  • Tama Gochi

    Wow….eventually the workers would be out of money and be forced by their family to be oppose of the unions and crawl back to work…

  • Dadora45667

    Yrt strikers are human garbage….they don’t think about the people that pay them..Just dismiss them, and hire another drivers!!!

    • Sometimes

      That would be illegal to do… and way to talk about your fellow human beings that way.. just because they are striking legally, which they have a right to do, for fairer compensation. I’m affected to but I side with my bus drivers… it’s the politicians and higher up managements that make 100-200k and more to do nothing that I’m upset with!

  • jimjim1999

    so how long did the Torontoist have to wait to find the one person in Toronto who supports this reckless action. You know in order to appear all fair and balanced

  • Thejudge1966

    maybe YRT should grow some balls and ditch the middleman…puts more money in everybodies pocket

  • Har Sha41

    IT IS MORE THAN ONE MONTH NOW. VIVA SHOULD FILE FOR BANKRUPTCY. THE STRIKING EMPLOYEES WILL AUTOMATICALLY LAID OFF. THERE IS NO OTHER SOLUTIONS. NOBODY IS GOING TO HELP. EVEN LIBERAL WHO COULD NOT WIN IN 905 AREA. WHAT IA JOKE CANADA – EVERYTHING IS LEGAL HERE.

    • Rediff

      Not a bad idea! The company should really just file for bankcrupcy and lay off everybody or have Another take over and start new by hiring all new staffs! And make sure new drivers get their jobs coz they new somebody from the inside! Then wel see if these yrt drivers won’t realize that theyre lucky enough to earn so much more than the minimum wage for driving!

    • Me

      Umm…. Viva is a public service OPERATED by a private company. “Viva” is actually part of YRT and YRT is part of the Region of York. It can’t go bankrupt and it WON’T go bankrupt.

  • Anonymous

    Instead of attacking other workers for belonging to a union and being out on strike, something no one every wants to do, they are hurting very badly financially themselves after all, but instead of attacking those who dared to ask to be paid fair and reasonable wages for what they do for living you should be emailing your local politicians, municipally and provincially demanding that they legislate binding arbitration which would end this strike immediately. The private companies who York region has given control of your public transit to definitely do not want binding arbitration since they know full well that any fair and reasonable arbitration process would give the drivers and mechanics most of what they want meaning the private companies in control of York transit would make slightly smaller profits. For such private companies the provision of public transit takes a back seat to making as massive profits as possible.

    • Ticked_Commuter

      Reasonable wages? You call $30+/hr for such a lazy ass job reasonable? Man you have SERIOUS issues! Either that or you’re the biggest troll on the net EVER! Anyways…

      Maybe if they weren’t acting like such adolescents and ruining others people lives to gain for themselves things would go better for them. Instead they decide to have a tantrum like a 3 year old kid and just stop service. Again if I were in power the right to strike would be GONE for services that are NEEDED like transit routes.

      It is not even fathomable that the strike has been allowed to go on this long or that its even going on period.

      Its life. People get paid more then others. SO what if TTC pays their employees more. YRT divers should go beg for a job there then. You don’t pull this crap and ruin things for others who rely on the bus service to live.

      • Anonymous

        oh yea, 48k a year is living high off the hog :P

        • DanEgan

          YOU SHOULD HAVE GONE TO SCHOOL if you wanted to make more than 48K/year.

          • DanEgan

            People dont just “get to have” more money because they ask for it, or are in a position to hold the collective population hostage.

            They need to be WORTH it. They are asking for FAIR VALUE for their job. When more qualified resources are interested in doing the same job for less, the fair market goes down. When nobody will do the work for that pay, the value goes up.

            WHERE THE FUCK do you think this money comes from?

            I cant wait until YRT selects another company to take the job. When does their contract expire again?

          • Anonymous

            Suggestive reading: Grapes of Wrath.

            The market pays as LITTLE as it can, by design. Your points are now invalid.

          • Anonymous

            I’m not going to brag, but I make about 4x that amount. Oh and I didn’t go to school and I’m not a bus driver (does that make you cry?).

            48k is not a lot of money and if you say otherwise, you’re either trolling or completely out of touch with reality (like living in your mom’s basement out of touch).

  • Erica Boyinher

    We will now continue to cause service disruptions and further havoc in your daily commute, I am a driver who has bills and rent like yourselves, if you need to get to work or school, get your collective butt out of bed earlier and walk or bike or better yet, go $20,000.00 in debt and buy a car. I am entitled to earn a fair wage, good benefits and a safe work place. You don’t like it? Too bad so sad move to another region, we will fight for our rights and that’s it, as they say….”suck it up buttercup”!

    • Reside

      Yes you are a driver and don’t you
      Think what you’re asking for is fair for a job who doesn’t even need a degree? I do not mean to demean drivers but you are asking for so much. A job that most of the time you Can only get because you lnow somebody from the inside….Where’s your sympathy for all the riders who are basically paying off your salary? These riders are compose of people from all walks of life, somebody who probably cannot afford to buy a car that’s why they use the public transportation, somebody who is probably due to health condition or whatever it is is not allowed to drive, somebody who probably doesn’t have much of family and friends who can help them out when it comes to going to and from their destinations… Whatever it is you don’t have the right to say suck it up buttercup… Because if people will stop using the bus or even if the number of riders fall then your employer will probably end up laying off drivers including you… And yes because your exemplary skill is driving it will be easier for you to find another job!

    • shad

      “too bad so sad move to another region” “suck it up buttercup!” – right, so this is what bus drivers have to say to the commuters who’s lives are affected from a month of their refusal to work. good stuff!

      on the flip side, commuters everywhere are tired of sucking it up – they’ve been doing it for a month now. maybe its time for you to suck it up during these hard economic times and get your collective butts back to work?

    • iraf

      I completely agree with Reside and you dont have to be rude here! imagine after 2 month of strike you get laid of are you going to suck it up and walk if you cant afford a car.would you like to walk 1 and half hour to work like me if i dont have friend to give me a ride. winter comming you know.

    • Former Bus Rider

      And you do realize that if you fight long enough, riders will be lost, and people will have no respect for Viva Transit anymore. If you fight long enough, the end result will be people getting bunions and callouses from excessive walking of long distances. People will lose their jobs over time (and those people who lose their jobs should file a lawsuit against the company who terminated them because of reasons beyond the fired employee’s control). You’re putting people’s lives at risk, and causing harm to York region’s economy. All this, in favour of more $100 bills? This is not good. Health is more important than money.

    • Anonymous

      Troll score 2/10. Pretty obvious you are not a driver, cause if you were you would not be insulting the public which you need support from to achieve your goals.

      If you are a driver, please enjoy living off the $50 per week in strike pay you receive. The rest of us will get to our jobs perfectly fine without drivers such as yourself.

      • ContactMe

        Actually it’s $200/week.

        • Anonymous

          My point still stands. Assuming she is in fact a YRT bus driver, this period would still be very difficult on her. On about $800 per month, it would be impossible to pay for groceries, utilities, vehicle maintenance and payments, rent/mortgage, taxes, etc. without incurring massive amounts of debt. Christmas is coming up, and I’m certain her kids will not be looking forward to this holiday season. Even if her husband/partner brings in a second income, the hit on the family income is certainly making things frustrating.

          This of course is assuming she is in fact a bus driver, which I sincerely doubt. She relies on too much anti-union rhetoric (sense of entitlement, no sense of responsibility to her employer or the taxpayers, etc.) for me to take her seriously. Choosing to go on strike is not a decision to take lightly, as those on the picket lines must endure a serious hit to their incomes and credit. Those striking have exercised all other options to try and improve their conditions and compensation, and feel that withdrawing their services is the only way to get their message across to their employer.

          • Jonathan

            And what will withdrawing its services do? Nothing. At least, not yet. Trust me, this strike will continue through Christmas, and the workers don’t even care anymore. They believe in their cause and they will fight until they get it. I bet if they strike for long enough, they will end up in debt, and they may consider leaving the picket line to take work elsewhere. The more workers who leave the organization, the better the chances of the surviving striking workers to get their demands met sooner. The amount of money they are demanding they can probably afford to pay to no more than 300 or 400 workers, but not 600. Trust me, come March or April, many of the workers will not be able to afford to pay for their housing, their car, whatever; and they may have to seek work elsewhere. Who knows, they may come to Newfoundland and work for Metrobus someday.

            Or, if a vast majority of the striking workers leave to take work elsewhere, the company may just send them on their way, and start the company from scratch with mostly newbies. I’m sure a newbie would like to take the driver’s seat someday.

  • Einzwein

    This is why Living in Canada sucks. Why won’t they just copy some other countries who has a better transportation methods. I am a Immigrant here in Canada and I find it ridiculous that there’s no Taxi roaming around?. For God-sake, Third World countries are far better in terms of transportation. The government should do something about transportation’s, Canada should not stay like this forever!!

    • Former Bus Rider

      Yep, blame it on Sir John A. MacDonald – the man on our “dying” $10 bill – for getting Canada into this mess over time. Sir John A. MacDonald was raised during times of conflict, and while he did good for Canada, he must have done more bad than good. He was the person credited for legalizing unions. Then, collective bargaining activity may have started after World War II (or maybe as early as 1867). Unions were useful for a while, but now unions tend to abuse their power by walking off the job just to get more money. It is considered an act of bullying towards the company and Canada doesn’t get involved in any “useful” wars anymore. Sure, the War on Afghanistan happened, but that was more a war to get Americans’ obsession against “the bad guy responsible for 9/11″ fulfilled, and it took a decade to get their wishes fulfilled.

      Now, Stephen Harper’s government seems to be not supportive of strike activity, as this is a totally different generation who does not support strike activity and knows such activity can cause long-term harm to a region. Look at what happened to Windsor, Ontario in 2009 – they were on strike for nearly 4 months, and garbage accumulated, and there appeared to be a health hazard by July that year. They went to arbitration as a result.

      I can smell Federal Back-To-Work Legislation happening before February. If they threatened to legislate an end to the OC Transpo strike, is it this much to legislate an end to the YRT Strike?

      And when I say our $10 bill is “dying” I mean it is so scarce, it may cease to exist after a while. The Bank of Canada will still issue them (upon the discretion of the bank ordering them), but when it becomes “half-dollar scarce” it will be because a vast majority of banks across the country will have stopped ordering them completely. Besides, $10 bills are not spent as greatly as it was back in, say, 1984.

    • Anonymous

      If you’re previous third world country is so good and you go the distance in saying that “living in Canada sucks” – move. Seriously. Nobody wants you here.

    • YuKiLA

      Yes I totally agree with you! I’m an immigrant to Canada as well and i’ve witness far better transportation systems (more taxi’s and they’re actually affordable). But then again, this might be because of the population as its not large compared to other countries. I used to live in Toronto and seriously, their transportation is soooo much easier and convenient (subway’s the best!)

  • Suku301

    The government should make transit as essential services and not allow workers to strike. Every services that are necessary for people’s everyday lives should mandated as essential services and not be allowed lock out at work like how healthcare workers are. The rest of the ff: services such as transportation e.g. Airlines, buses, trains plus postal workers should never be allowed to do such things as it affects so much the lives of people depending on these services. If they really wanted to strike they should have workers who are on their days off do the picketing and the rally just like how nurses do theirs. Some of this jobs doesn’t even ask for a degree and why should they think that they should get paid the salary of somebody who had one? They should be thankful they got a job that pays them way more than the minimum. Because of these rallies why the employers most of the time give in to some of these unreasonable demands and who pays the consequences in the end? Of course the commuters because the fare would increase to compensate for all these!

  • barbara2222

    rich1299, it’s not about the actual time for the commute, it’s about the _extra_ time. If the commute is taking a couple of hours extra a day _every_ _day_ for someone, it means two hours less for their family, or schoolwork, or sleep, or something else that they have built their lives around, based on normal commuting times. Whatever your feelings about the strike itself, I don’t think you can chastise people for complaining about their commute taking significantly longer.

    • Anonymous

      “something else that they have built their lives around”

      Like a job that you want to be paid and treated fairly?

      • shad

        bus drivers built their lives around the pay and benefits they AGREED to beforehand, and are complaining and refusing to work now that they aren’t being given more than what was agreed to.

        commuters built their lives around a transportation system with normal commuting times (ie. a sane assumption to most), and are complaining now because that service has almost completely been taken away from them.

        huge difference between the two complaints.

        • Anonymous

          I see, so once employed nothing should change, but owning a car is something a high expectation should be given to. Gotchya :P

          Here’s to you for never EVER asking for a raise or anything in your career to change since graduation.

  • purplesky

    I just want to know when will this be over???

    • Former Bus Rider

      The way their demands are, unless there’s federal back-to-work legislation, or a major economic or health problem, probably not until the spring – during a time when public transit is least needed.

      Solid proof that I do not support strike activity one bit. People needing the service trumps over what they are demanding. This strike borders on the line of DICTATORSHIP, IMO.

      • Former Bus Rider

        I remember last year, Metrobus where I live (St. John’s) went on strike as of November 4, 2010. That strike lasted 3 months, and the buses did not return to the streets until one day short of February 2011. I have not taken the bus since. I like (and respect) my Hyundai Accent greatly, regardless of the cost of fuel and maintenance.

        Based on their demands, and even though transit strikes are bad, the Metrobus strike that occurred in St. John’s last year is nothing compared to YRT’s strike. Trust me, by the time it’s over, I can assure you that prices will skyrocket (in order to catch up on lost revenue during the strike), ridership will be lost, and some of the workers who will have fought for equal pay will end up being laid off within a few months after they return to work because of lost ridership thanks to those soon-to-be former riders that will have zero respect for pulling the services for many months just to get what they want, and they will spend extra money on something they respect more (at least that will help the economy a bit).

        • Former Bus Rider

          Metrobus offered free rides for a 2-week period in February 2011 in order to win back riders they lost. That’s a way to kiss it up – it only attracted short-lived newbies to the service. The real riders that depended on the service before the strike started, a lot of them were still lost. The former riders retaliated against the workers for what they did to the service just to get what they want. It looks as if 2011 may have been Metrobus’s worst year in quite some time with regards to ridership (and ridership has been declining since 2006, and I think it’s due to a former union boss who embezzled $90,000 – possibly more – of the union’s money to fulfill his addiction to alcohol and strip clubs, and other stuff), given the fact that a lot of former riders boycotted the service for good. Public transit was respectable in the 20th century, but not anymore.

          And oh yeah, when YRT resumes service, don’t bother offering free rides or any majorly-discounted fares. It’s worth a try, but believe me it won’t work.

          • shad

            this may work out like what you described in St. Johns.

            if a company completely neglects their customers like this – the customers can make them pay in the end.

            if ridership goes down, layoffs and tough times will follow for some unfortunate bus drivers and their families.

            is this what they really want?

      • Anonymous

        “Solid proof that I do not support strike activity one bit. People needing the service trumps over what they are demanding. This strike borders on the line of DICTATORSHIP, IMO.”

        *facepalm*

  • John1234

    Now they are trying to stop other buses from running?!
    This is brutal, and I have no sympathy for these workers. If you don’t like the pay get a new job.
    I am curious to see what the respect level is going to be for these drivers once they decide to go back to work.
    I don’t think the public is going to be very nice to them, and it is there own fault.

    • yaright

      LOL.. You really think bus drivers care what the general public thinks about them? Majority of the passengers that ride the bus are cheap, welfare, smelly immigrant bums who are the lowest of the low… or uneducated snotty nosed high school and college students who think they are all that.

      • You

        Oops, sorry for being an uneducated snotty nosed high school student who think I’m all that.

  • Bill26

    HEY VOTE NDP . $22 an hour to drive a freakin bus is not peanuts.
    Get your head out of the sand. Do you know what people in the real world do if they feel like they are not making enough money? They get a new job. And comparetivley speaking other transit workers are extremely overpaid.

    rich1299 your ignorance is astonishing. You’re telling people to stop whining but you condone walking off the job and screwing 70 000 people. A lot of people who are missing work and being late are being paid less than these tards who drive a bus and honk a horn, but think they should be making over $30 an hour.

  • Mr_knoitall

    It’s just driving a bus, they should put job postings up and alert the media that there will be new positions to fill and restock.

  • hardworking

    if york region transit workers want to earn what TTC workers are earning go work for the TTC!!!
    YRT transit workers should be ashamed of themselves! there are so many people relying on food banks and social services to make ends meet every month. Shame on you for asking for more. Be thankful you have a job to go to everyday!
    STOP BEING GREEDY!! get back to work.

    • Rider69

      It’s not just TTC. It’s Durham, Brampton, Mississauga, Barrie, Milton, Hamilton, Niagara, Oakville etc.. ALL of them are basically around $26-$30/hour. Yet York Region charges the HIGHEST fares, and is one of the richest regions (they recently announced a budget surplus) and yet the money goes to private companies for a profit and they can’t pay their drivers similar amounts? The drivers are definatley being cheated. But it’s also not just the wages, they have crappy working conditions such as poor benefits, 16 hour spreads (they end up only getting like 5 hours sleep a night.. is that safe?)… stuff like that. They are just looking to stop being treated unfairly.

  • Stephen Morgan

    I guess the vacation was too long… now the workers must picket to get what they want. If this was serious from the start, we should have seen transit workers out in force.

  • TheTruth

    I’m just gonna be blatant here. To the workers on strike: You are f*cking bus drivers, even if you win this ridiculous battle, you won’t get anywhere; you will remain the low life as you guys are — bus drivers. If you want a better quality of life, go to school, get a decent degree, a decent job, and hence a decent life. Stop making other people’s lives hard.

    • yaRight

      Yes.. because all the people who go thousands of dollars into debt with a private post-secondary institution will automatically graduate and end up making 100k/year. I got news for you.. that’s NOT real life.

      You also talk pretty arrogant. You do realize there are bus drivers out there that WANT to be a bus driver.? But most have come to realize and gotten fed up with getting treated unfairly. Does it ring any bells in your head as to why York Region has the highest fares, yet has the some poor service frequency and hours of operaton, and the lowest paid operators anywhere in southern Ontario? This includes (but not limited to) Durham, Brampton, Barrie, Milton, Oakville, Hamilton, Niagara. Of course not, because you are one of those that probably sees drivers as the lowest of the low, making too much unless they are being paid $5/day and they should be slaves to everyone (passengers, contractors and the region). You seem like the type of arrogant person that would walk down the street and step on a driver to injure them further if they were lying on the ground instead of seeing if they were ok.

      Get over yourself… and grow up! Not everyone wants to sit back and let the big players walk all over them, some of these people are fighting for everyone not just themselves, but you seem too narrow to see that!

      • TheTruth

        Seriously though, the way I was taught as a kid, is that each and everyone has their own responsibilities and rights/privileges. As a bus driver it is your responsibility to minimize disruption and serve the public, and as an employer it is your responsibility to ensure your employees’ standards and needs are met (to a certain/sensible degree).

        And of course, it is the public’s responsibility to pay bus fares, in return for public transportation privileges.

        It doesn’t make sense how we, the public, are the ones not doing anything wrong to the system and yet we are the ones deprived most of our own rights (in the sense of the transportation utility). A lot of us are sustaining a lot of losses due to this ridiculous strike; some of us even face risks of getting fired, just because those people who have the responsibility of providing transport decide not to.

        I’m not being arrogant. I’m pointing out the truth. Truth is, bus drivers are bus drivers. Cops are cops. Construction workers are construction workers. CEO’s are CEO’s. Do your f*cking jobs, and carry on.

        Bus drivers, please, shut up and drive. I’m sorry.

  • Jake9401

    I think it’s ridiculous that people are comparing each others commute times to mock each other.
    I chose to live in Richmond Hill and commute with transit to my job in Toronto. Is my commute easier than yours on a good day? Completely irrelevant!!
    The point is that this strike is taking wages from the strikers and their employer. That is there choice and right.
    They should not have the right to interfere in my right to earn a living for me and my family. They should not have the right to take precious time away from my children!

  • Ciel

    Isn’t it a given that the TTC will be paid more than the YRT? Downtown has more people, more stops, and most of the heavier business runs in downtown. If YRT workers still earn quite a lot more than minimum wage for driving a bus, protected by the union, I don’t see why the government should comply to their ‘entitlement’ to higher wages.
    While it does seem unfair compared to other companies, the strikers should keep in mind that a high wage that keeps everyone happy is idealized- there’s only so much the region can provide.
    Whether the strikers or commuters argue that their predicaments are unfair, there won’t be a compromise and there surely won’t be a benefit to either side. After all, if the well-paid YRT strikers (compared to those who have minimum wage or less) have their compromise, won’t that entitle the other workers with lower pay and more dangerous jobs such as construction workers to have their own strike?

  • SERBIAN GODESZ

    SERIOUSLY I HOPE YOU YRT ASSHOLES READ THIS..
    YOU GUYS ARE SERIOUSLY FUCKED.
    MORE MONEY?????? REALLYY???
    DONT YOU THINK EVERYBODY WANTS MORE MONEY YOU GREEDY ASSHOLES?
    WHY CANT YOU JUST FUCKING BE HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU HAVE, AT LEAST YOU HAVE A JOB….I LOST MY JOB BECAUSE OF YOU ASSHOLE CUZ I COULDNT GET TO WORK.
    THANKS ALOT YOU FUCKING PIECES OF SHIT. I SHOULD COME DOWN TO WHERE YOU HOLDING YOUR LITTLE STRIKE DANCE AND GIVE YOU A NICE FUCKING WAKE UP CALL. LIKE REALLY WE RIDERS PAY YOUR FUCKING SALARY. GET OVER YOUR FUCKING SELVES. IF THIS GOES ON ANY LONGER..
    WATCH I KNOW SOME PPL THAT ARE READY TO RIOT OVER YOU MOTHER FUCKERS. WE WILL FUCK YOUR SHIT UP. FUCK YOUR BUSSES AND YOUR FUCKING BUS STOPS UP.
    DONT BELIVE ME WATCH ASSHOLES . YRT BUS DRIVERS I HAVE LOST ALL RESPECT FOR YOU. AND JUST WATCH HOW YOU ALL WILL BE TREATED WHENYOU COME BACK.
    FIRST THING WHEN I GET ON THE BUS I WILL SPIT IN THE FUCKING DRIVERS FACE. DONT BELIVE ME WATCH I BET IT WILL BE ON THE NEWS CUZ THE PUSSY WILL MOST LIKLEY CALL THE COPS ON MY ASS. BUT WHATEVER IM DOING IT FOR EVERYONE THAT FEELS THE SAME WAY.
    FUCK THE YRT. YOU GUYS ARE NOTHING BUT GREEDY INCONSIDERATE ASSHOLE, THAT NEED TO GROW THE FUCK UP FOR REAL. AND STOP CRYING. LIKE HELLOO DONT YOU THINK IF THEY HAVENT GIVEN YOU WHAT YOU WANTED BY NOW, OBVISOULY THERE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU WANT. I HOPE THEY JUST START HIRING NEW PEOPLE.

    ACTUALLY YAA THEY SHOULD DO THAT..
    HIRE NEW PEOPLE
    HIRE NEW PEOPLE
    HIRE NEW PEOPLE

  • RealityCheck

    These greedy fucks have got to go FIRE THEM ALL. You think 22 bucks an hour isn’t enough? Go WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE, or how about GET A FUCKING EDUCATION.

    THESE ASSHOLES COULD GET PAYED 50$ AN HOUR AND STILL BITCH AN MOAN ABOUT HOW HARD DRIVING A BUS IS.

    You people are not working class by any means, you are fucking parasites that can’t even do YOUR FUCKING JOB RIGHT. You don’t give a FLYING FUCK about the people you are hurting by withdrawing service, those people are the REAL WORKING CLASS, like me. FORCE THESE GREEDY CUNTS BACK TO WORK ALREADY FOR THE SAKE OF THOSE WHO MATTER!

    • yaright

      Hey RealityCheck.. you are such a kind human being (sarcasm). By the way it’s illegal to fire people that are striking legally. Guess what.. comments like yours will just make the strikers even more wanting to keep striking. You are probably one that doesn’t even pay their fares and is just so upset because now “freeva” isn’t running and you actually have to pay to get on the bus now. And having an education nowadays does NOT guarantee a high wage. I know for a fact many of these drivers have alternate degrees and education but the work in their fields just is not there. You’ll learn about that soon enough. And they can’t even do their job right? How do you classify that? Not operating on schedule? Guess what.. that’s the fault of the $40/hour service planners up at 50 high tech road who make schedules that can’t even be followed with no traffic and no passengers! And you also screwed yourself by saying the strikers are not “working class” yet in a few locations of your post you refer to them as “workers”. I really think you need to grow up. Being upset is fine and understandable, but you take your stance to a whole new “un-human” level… let me guess.. you have anger management issues?? Chill the fuck out.. they have pills for people like you! LOL.

      • TheTruth

        Fuck you. I can eat a can of alphabet soup and SHIT an argument better than that.

      • TheTruth

        It’s simple. You don’t like your job? $20++/hour not good enough for driving around? Then fuck off, get a better job. Get education. Get smart. Life isn’t meant to be easy enough for you to complain and cease service for the sake of your own.

      • TheTruth

        It’s one thing to stop working. It’s a completely different story when you make other people’s lives miserable.

        Look at them, holy fuck, they’re blocking off other buses AND roads. They took their bitching to a whole new level of fucked. Not only are they disrupting the YRT riders, they’re disrupting people who have their own cars and not depending on YRT.

        It’s getting too much. They should all just get sacked and eat fucking dirt.

  • PeterL

    Haven’t you heard of the phrase ‘Entitled to their entitlements?’ This phase was coined by David Dinglingwell.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIo-bEsoMgA

  • Guest!

    I do not agree with this strike! Its only going to hurt the tax payers me! What did i do..so people can be greedy..listen, if you don’t like your job, or the pay…then screw you, go find another job, that is your right to do so. But please don’t make me pay the price! I have been late 3 times because of their picketing, each time i have to explain to my boss why i’m 1 hour late..and not to mention me losing money so thats about 3 hours worth of pay i lost because of some transit union and workers! Also if they get what they want which is more money, then it will come out of my pocket, i would have to pay 45 cent extra per ride! So basically its hurting me…not them, but me! I lose money, and more because of their strike, and not to mention how much york region transit has already lost 6 weeks worth of money when they delay the buses and the 60% of the buses that are not running. Again…get back to work..in life not every one can have a million dollars, but they make the best and be thankful for WHAT THEY HAVE! Greed will never get you far in life!

  • guest

    I’m not sure why the wages should increase. 29 dollars an hour is alot for someone who drives all day. The drivers are insufferable.

  • marie

    I am affected by the YRT strike too. I have to pay twice as much to get to work but at least, I can get to work. I feel bad for all of those who don’t have any other alternative.

    Everyone wants better conditions, better pay, better advantages, etc. These workers are like everyone else, except that they have a union. Unfortunately, Unions encourage employees’s baby skills (temper tantrums, sulking, etc) which leads to this. 5 weeks of strike now. It seems pretty clear to me that when you are not satisfied with your job or when your boss refuses to give you a raise, you find another job. That’s how most people live and believe it or not.

    Considering the current economy, they should only be glad they have a job at all. The company I work for is going through a hard time and in spite of the raise I should have gotten few weeks ago, I suck it up because I know there will be a better time to negotiate and that I’m very lucky to have a permanent job right now.

  • Brandon McAlpine

    i have to get to school its an hour and a half walk but a twenty minute bus ride. after school there are more than forty people on that bus its packed ur practically a huge grind train. its so stupid that these people dont realise that hundreds of people depend on them

  • Sweet_laurica

    how can picketers let young children freeze to death while waiting for a bus to finally show up.? Dont those cruel bastards have children or elderly parents themselves? what kind of heartless workers does YRT have?????? i am shocked beyond belief:(:(:(

  • Cglee668

    How can someone fighting for their right and yet infringing onto other people’s right to commute?
    Isn’t it a double standard !

  • Prophet Muhammad

    May peace be upon you all.

  • JY

    Unions are totally ridiculous. They hurt companies, the economy, the government and everyone including themselves! For what??? Union leaders distort information to their benefit often leaving out essential information which result in members not seeing the full/big picture. This is all to garner support of members to justify their existence!

    At the end of the day, it is these union leaders that are hurting their members, the company, the government, the economy and the country. Labour is usually one of the largest cost element for any organization. How reasonable is it to expect government and companies not to try to rein in costs under the current economic environment? Most people not in the unions and other countries worry about keeping their jobs whereas for us, the unions continue to demand increases in pay, benefits and the law prevents us from taking action to stop this madness. All their antics to draw attention is costing the city and people more money, money we all don’t have and can’t afford to waste. It is the unions that is causing tax increases, increases in transit, medical costs, governments to be in deficit, high electricity prices, etc…

    Do employees who are in the unions understand the consequences when they condone the action of their union leaders or disrupt activities? When companies cannot make ends meet, have to shut down or when the city, Canada becomes less competitive and attractive to investors with higher labour costs and taxes, these union employees may very well be many of the people without jobs or for that matter, there will be no benefits or pension plans when the government or companies go bankrupt. Think of what is happening with the government in Greece!

    When our products/services get too expensive, is constantly disrupted by unions and government or companies are unable to implement actions quickly because of unions, eventually, we cannot sustain ourselves and we will also be unable to attract foreign investments. We will deteriorate as a country and lag behind other countries. There is no bottomless pocket these days. Just like your personal financial situation, you have to stay within budget, manage finances in these tough times or risk being out on the street. Think of when Ford has to cut cost and choose to produce in other countries and not in Canadian plants because we are expensive!

    If these union employees are smart, they should just overthrow their union leaders who are compromising their own future, the future of our country, the future of our children for short term gain and their political career. Be happy that you still have a job with good benefits and a pension plan!

  • chiu

    We should get rid of unions! In this day and age, there are so many laws that protect employees, why are there still unions? All you employees who are in the unions, can’t you speak for yourselves? I’m sure if any of you have children, you are teaching them to fight their own battles. All of you should live in the real world. What is so unfortunate with your current situation? Each of you have a job (which probably pays much higher than an employee in another country doing the same job), good benefits (which many in Canada who are not in the union i.e. the majority of the population envy), good pension plan (which all lot of Canadian’s don’t even have)! What gives you the right to disrupt the lives of other people who are working hard to keep their jobs, trying to get to work on time, many of which don’t have what you already get from your current employer.

    As for the government, why do you let the unions push you around? Who is running the country…the unions or you? Change the laws to protect the companies, rather than having the companies to defend their position in negotiations, put the onus on unions to provide evidence from other non-union environments to justify their case, have unions pick up the costs to the public or the company for any disruptions caused, or just altogether disband unions if they do no follow the rules.

    My message to YRT, hang in there…you have the support of many of the general public like myself. Giving in would only diminish the rights of companies and the authority of the government, thereby reinforcing the power the unions have over our Country

  • Olga

    Hi,
    I just wanted to confront the issue of the YRT/VIVA bus strike. Transportation, in my opinion, is a necessity in this community and for them to go on strike puts many people in troubled situations. People need to get to work, to school, to visit others, to buy food and etc.
    I really do not understand how something so important for our community can just stop working. It’s like nurses in the hospital stop working; this will cause many problems to the community. It just doesn’t make sense to me that they are going on strike and asking for more when to be a bus driver, the only qualifications are to be able to drive a bus. Students go to school for YEARS to get paid the same amount as these bus drivers who are complaining so often about their working conditions. The only difference is, when students finish their studies, which like I said takes YEARS, they do not complain about the job that they get (because with this recession, you get what you can and hold on to it) and they have WAY more education and qualifications then these bus drivers (that only need to know how to turn the wheel and open the front and back door).
    Therefore, in my opinion, whoever has a problem with their working conditions should just quit and look for another job. Moreover, I do not think they need to be getting paid so much. They should get paid minimum wage or a dollar or so more since this job does not require that much brain work.

  • Hohoho

    They should just all get fired, hire new ones. Problem solved. They clearly don’t want to work, just waste their own and everybody else’s money and time.

  • a concerned citizen

    I’m sorry by this is just getting sad now. for christ sake there are thousands of commuters that are suffering just because the union feels they aren’t getting paid enough. its been nearly 3 months, i say GET OVER IT! we have to trek around with late full cramped buses that sometimes cant even stop due to the fullness. we as the commuters are suffering more than the union. If everyone boycotted the viva and yrt this long they would be out of business. Please for the love of god, sit your ass’s down and settle this. We as the commuters all have grown tired of your childish behaviors of refusing to settle for anything less than what you already asked for and then walking away from the table. Settle this like adults and lets all get our shit together again.

  • I_likechicks

    i arrive at school with 20/75 minutes left in my first period class. This is starting to get ridiculous, especially when the one bus i can take arrives 40 minutes late every day.. you guys need to get over it your not as good as ttc just hurry up and get back….

  • Pet

    What a bunch of pathetic loser; they listened to Kinnear and his goons have lost thousands in wages, the union is begging for arbitration or government intervention to save their sorry face, no way, this is not soft Toronto, let them starve.

    Now the Union idiots will say it is the principle, hope they loose their jobs when this is all over. Yaw freeze in the dark you jerks, $10.00 more an hour what a bunch of fools to have believed that, you have been lead down the garden path, You should be screaming for the union executive to resign on mass

    It s all too funny, oh save me please bring in binding arbitration or order me back to work ha,ha, what a joke

  • 105

    I think these guys are assholes… i’ve only been living in Richmond Hill for four years now and IT ALREADY SUCKS !!!! this is the second VIVA bus strike i’ve been through… I lived in Toronto for 10 years and never went through any of this bullshit before.

  • 105

    rich1299…. i moved to richmond hill to be closer to university.. what the fuck was the point of my whole family relocating? fucking assholes.. the only means of transportation doesn’t work.. i might as well just move back to Toronto .. if u moved to reduce commuting.. you would fucking go crazy

  • Eanese18

    Alot of people seem to be arguing, the driver versus union versus the owner debate. Here is my question, who do I pay taxes to? Not the union, not the drivers and not the owners of the company. When the hell will our “beloved” government representatives step up and do something, they are the ones being overpaid and sitting on their warm fannies while the rest sit in the cold waiting for bus service (those who are lucky enough to even have service) When I go to a store to purchase a product and there is a problem with it, I return said product to the store where i PAID FOR IT, NOT THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY, NOT THE GUY ON THE ASSEMBLY LINE AND NOT THE UNION REP. People, this should have been resolved long ago but everyone is pointing the finger elsewhere. Can we please solve this issue, as it is not as complex as putting a man on the moon (1969), I expect more from our politicians in 2012. Enough said.