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Mammoliti Consults With the (Facebook) Public

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Mammoliti’s first post on the Save the City..Support the Ford Administration Facebook group.


You may have missed the memo from the City (so did we), but at about 7 p.m. last night, Councillor Giorgio Mammoliti (Ward 7, York West) started a Facebook group, called “Save the City..Support the Ford Administration.” The purpose of the group is, it seems, to consult with Torontonians about what the City should and should not be funding (didn’t we already do this?), and what it should do about issues like homelessness and panhandling.
As of this morning, the group had about 340 members and it’s caught the attention of City Hall watchers, but the vast majority of comments were left by couple dozen individuals. Is this really an exercise in consultation? The group is “open,” in the sense that anyone can view it, but an invitation from a current is needed or your request to join must be approved in order to leave comments (though it seems most, if not all, requests to join are being promptly accepted).
Some threads have attracted measured responses and even good ideas, but the tone of the group has turned nasty at some points. After Mammoliti began a thread with “I would like to know about your views on homelessness and pan handling,” one commenter wrote, “The ‘de Pape’ types with attitude and a refusal to work need a one way ticket out of town. The mentally ill need forced lockup. Those that worked had all their lives and lost everything through no fault of their own, need help.” The thread stretches out well past 100 comments, much of which is back and forth bickering, and if there are constructive ideas for the City to pursue therein, it’ll be a tedious task to pick them out. Another thread, which began as a discussion about police services spending, transitioned into a discussion about threats of sexual assault made against G20 detainees, which led to such illuminated comments as “so what… rape happens every day in jail.” Some members have also complained about posts being deleted.
Mammoliti is correct in saying that not everyone could make it to give deputations at last months mammoth executive committee meeting, but is a Facebook group—where access is initially restricted, where there’s no guarantee comments will be taken seriously or even read at all, and where there is apparently insufficient moderation in place to keep those presenting reasonable ideas from being drowned out by other participants berating and insulting each other—any better?

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  • trevorz

    This group is basically showing how extreme and radical the far right (and left) can be.  It is especially troubling that some of these radicals are our neighbors.

    With the troubles in the US. and the tea party radicals, you'd think that Canadians are above the partisanship and ignorance; and would welcome healthy debate, alas the hatred is overwhelming.

  • AlexanderWiebe

    So if you're not parroting back what Mammoliti wants to hear, you're one of the “wrong people” sending the “wrong message”, deserving of nothing more than dismissive insults.  So what's the point of this Facebook page supposed to be again?

  • AlexanderWiebe

    Oh, also, I've just had the perfect idea that will save the City and make everyone happy.  Are you ready?…

    Here it comes…

    LINGERIE LIBRARIES!!

    You're welcome.

  • http://twitter.com/tapesonthefloor tapesonthefloor

    This is an attempt to build something that the right can point to and say: “This is a true representation of the opinions of Torontonians, and the round of deputations is not.” You will hear Mammoliti discussing the opinions of this FB group on AM640 soon, and often, and contrasting the results with the deputations.

    It's a smart promotional strategy, but it's not one that should be confused for an honest attempt to gather input from “taxpayers.”

    The group currently has 344 members. Some facts:

    6 Mammolitis (Melissa, Len, Giorgio, Frank, Ida, Mike)

    5 councillors, that I can see (Giorgio, Mark Grimes, Norm Kelly, Michael Thompson, Ana Bailao)

    1 Rocco Rossi

    1 Jonathan Goldsbie

    Anything jump out at anyone else?

    http://www.facebook.com/groups

  • http://twitter.com/dylanberry Dylan Berry

    “imput”

  • HamutalDotan

    Also:

    - at least a dozen members of the press (including me)
    - several prominent cycling activists (Yvonne Bambrick, Andie Garcia, Nancy Smith Lea)
    - at least one provincial NDP candidate (Matt Schein)
    - staff members for at least two more city councillors (Mike Layton and Kristyn Wong-Tam)
    - several of the deputants from the recent marathon Executive Committee meeting

    Which is to say: so far the filtering has been at the level of removing specific comments (I know of at least one exchange that's been deleted) and not, so far as we can tell, at the level of membership.

  • http://twitter.com/MarkJull Mark Jull

    I don't get it. Ford ran his entire campaign on the argument that there is wasteful spending at city hall and all we had to do was stop this wasteful spending and we could have all our services, even more, without raising taxes.  I even remember at one of the debates he had this black binder with “thousands” of examples of this wasteful spending. So why are we having these public consultations? Why was that committee demanding deputants come up with ideas for revenue? 

    If there isn't wasteful spending, then Ford either lied or was wrong. It would be helpful if he told us which it was so that we can move on.

  • omouse

    You have less to worry about from the far left. They want liberty, equality, justice, education for all, no racism, no sexism, etc. Unfortunately there are a few far leftists who think they can *force* that onto the rest of us and so they're basically dictators and authoritarians.

  • omouse

    It's so sad how we need politicians to lead us around like we're sheep or small children. Time to grow up Toronto and dump the idiots off our backs, starting with this Facebook group and Giorgio Mammoliti.

  • HotDang

    So more people signed up to come down to city hall and depute than have joined this group.

  • blearghhh

    Because, unlike the consultation done at the executive committee last week, the discussions on Facebook can be summarily and unilaterally deleted as though they didn't exist if it doesn't cleave precisely to Mammoliti's preconcieved notions of things.

    Therefore, after a while when 98 percent of all the wall posts are deleted, he can point to this, and say “Look!  we have 100% support for what we're doing! There's no problem! La la la I can't hear you!”

  • http://www.facebook.com/james.mathien James S. Mathien

    Stop f-ing around on facebook and get back to work, Giorgio!

  • kstop

    So long as the underpants are washed between checkouts – no, it's still gross.

  • AlexanderWiebe

    I was thinking more librarians IN lingerie, but we could look into your interpretation too I guess.

    See? Healthy exchange of ideas!  :-)

  • trevorz

    Oh I totally agree. The spectrum of extreme and forceful attitudes seems to lean more towards the far right in terms of number.  And now with representation on council their voices and hardline attitudes will be heard and may become policy.

  • http://twitter.com/tapesonthefloor tapesonthefloor

    I didn't mean to imply any membership filtering had been done. More, fluffing.

  • http://piorkowski.ca qviri

    Much as that would be nice, it's not going to happen. Voters have short memories and are currently occupied by a conveniently manufactured crisis. Attempts to mention this will be dismissed as leftist union drivel and/or with lalalaing.

  • dsmithhfx

    This is so not a public consultation, and it is a huge mistake to treat it as such or to join, unless by joining, you really, really mean you want to be a member of a group called, “Save the City..Support the Ford Administration”.

    It is especially wrong for identifiable journalists to join (and I do not mean columnists and other opinion writers/talk radio bloviards who genuinely support the Ford administration) — this will come back and bite you in the ass.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cookieroscoe Roscoe Handford

    I dunno, I think it's a really boneheaded attempt to skew appearances to the right. It's like Mr Ford's cell phone. He can pretend to be talking on it to any number of 'taxpayers', hang up and say “This is what people are telling me….” then put in any crazy thing, “no one knows who Margaret Atwood is” or “Aliens are eating kittens”. There's the appearance of doing, like answering a phone all the time or starting up a fb group, but no accountability. Either these cartoon politicians don't understand how media like cellphones and fbgroups actually work, or they think we don't.
    And, I bet, many in Ford Nation don't get how these things work. Seems if it takes more than a glance, they are too busy to figure it out.

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    Save the city, fight the Ford Administration every step of the way!

  • HamutalDotan

    Correction! Johan Schein is running for the NDP; Matt is his brother. Read the list too fast.

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    I can't disagree with you more. It's obvious that the bloated head of Ford Nation is looking for any venue it can to stack with supporters, so it can point to it and say 'see, the people of Toronto want us to do this'. So I feel it's my job to get in where I can and vocally disagree.

    As for journalists: it's their job to cover things like this and help make government accountable.

  • http://twitter.com/tapesonthefloor tapesonthefloor

    This may explain your missing comments:

    —–
    The group had 347 members as of noon on Tuesday. Mammoliti, who often seems to delight in inflaming his opponents, said he had not yet rejected any applicants.

    “But I will be monitoring their comments,” he said, “and if I get a smell of communism, they’re off the page.” Asked by a laughing reporter how he would smell communism, Mammoliti laughed and said, “Only Mammoliti has that keen sense of smell.”
    —–

    http://www.thestar.com/news/ar

    (Thanks to Shawn for the link: https://twitter.com/shawnmical… )

  • VonAwesome

    I bet a 'Save the City, Fight the Ford Administration' facebook group would match Mammoliti's number of page members within an hour.

  • dsmithhfx

    There's nothing to stop journos (and anyone else with a FB account) from monitoring the site.

  • istoronto

    In one of the posts, Giorgio thanks Sue and says he is going to continue this until we win. Win what? Is running a city a game that has winners and losers? I guess in his mind it is. Wonder what the score is? I'm guessing.  Citizens ( or as Giorgio likes to call us – Communists) – 100. Morons – 0.

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    Until he closes it because of Communists.

  • blearghhh

    Just how many Librarians do you know? I love them to bits, but I'm not positive I want to see them in their delicates.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Stemmler/644800361 Robert Stemmler

    Start one! I'd sign right up if you did.

  • kstop

    I'm sure his special hard drive is full of examples of attractive librarians ^_^

  • blearghhh

    But those aren't Librarians, they're “Librarians”.

  • dsmithhfx

    The glob reckons his enemas are whining…

    http://tinyurl.com/3h8umxt

  • http://twitter.com/MarkJull Mark Jull

    I joined the group and there are quite a few thoughtful and reasonable objections to Ford and company… I'd say it's about a 50/50 split between supporters of Ford and people who oppose him

  • rich1299

    There already is an anti-Ford's cuts FB page, though it hasn't been very active in some time, check it out http://www.facebook.com/groups

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Smith/702636082 Steven Smith

    I find it bizarre that Ford and company set up public process at an executive meeting which most of his alleged supporters among the “hardworking taxpayers” movement can not attend because they are working, and then lambaste those who do.

    If Ford was really interested in a public process which ordinary folks could attend he wouldn't make it nearly impossible to attend. Basically it was run like a lottery where you were very lucky if you would get called at a reasonable hour, such as 5:00 pm to 10:00 pm.

    Do they really care what those folks think?

    I don't think so, the way the deputations were set up was designed to make it nearly impossible for hardworking taxpayer to find out what he is doing with the mandate they have given him.

    Ford was is smart enough to know that if the “Cores Services Review” executive meeting process took place over several days as opposed to one day he would only be subjected to one day of juicy media coverage of his KPMG report. Had it happened over 3 or 4 days, at more reasonable hours, we might have been treated to some real civil civic discussion.

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