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Duly Quoted: Todd Reynolds, Uptown Sports

“Very sad to read Sean Avery’s misguided support of same-gender “marriage”. Legal or not, it will always be wrong.”
—Todd Reynolds, tweeting from his company’s account. Uptown Sports, a Burlington-based sports management company, represents a lot of Ontario’s young hockey talent. Reynolds was responding to Sean Avery, a North York–born left wing for the New York Rangers, who this month recorded a video in support of same-sex marriage. Following a public uproar over this tweet, Reynolds told TSN: “I’m a little disappointment in some of the response…If you oppose a viewpoint, you’re immediately targeted by some people as a hater, a bigot, intolerant, homophobic and many other terms.”
Watch Sean Avery’s video in support of same-sex marriage here.

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  • http://twitter.com/jordynmarcellus Jordyn Marcellus

    Judging by his quote, I think it's perfectly reasonable to think that Todd Phillips is an intolerant homophobic hater bigot who probably spends his late night wackin' it to dudes doing sexy things with other dudes.

    Not that there's anything wrong with wackin' it to dudes doing sexy things with other dudes!

  • isyouhappy

    I've had enough of the “
    If you oppose a viewpoint, you're immediately targeted by some people as a hater, a bigot, intolerant, homophobic and many other terms.” opinion. Yup, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but that doesn't mean I'm not entitled to call him out on his/whomever else's bullshit.

    Oh! poor you! You know what? It makes you a hater/ a bigot/ intolerant/ homophobic, and whatever else. Deal. You aren't the minority here.

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    You're a hater-hater hater.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YOF5FXYXQ2R7CXQ7AKV32S6LMY J Sharpe

    @Jordyn Marcellus has nailed it. My thoughts exactly.

  • Canadianskeezix

    Reynolds completely misses the point.

    He isn't being called a hater, a bigot, intolerant, homophobic, etc. because he believes in the sanctity of man-woman marriage. It's a free country, and if he believes that is the only acceptable form of marriage, then he should limit himself to marrying women.

    He *IS* being called a hater, a bigot, intolerant, homophobic because he is calling other people's marriages wrong, calling other people's families wrong, calling other people's innate and fundamental characteristics to be wrong. That's bigotry, intolerance and homophobia. That makes him no better than any run-of-the-mill ignorant bigot. And what is truly ironic is that Reynolds thinks that he should have some sort of veto over how other people lead their lives. It drives me nuts when morons like Reynolds whine about free-speech and about being targeted and insulted after they utter their ignorant drivel. They are quick to say “it's a free country” when it comes to their rights, but obviously don't believe it's a free country when it comes to other consenting adults marrying their significant others. To Reynolds and his ilk, freedom is a one-way street, and they believe that they should be able to pick and choose who gets to enjoy it.

  • isyouhappy

    YUP!

  • zkt

    I completely agree with Todd Reynolds. I think he's very well spoken. From a religious perspective, I do not agree with same sex marriage either, that doesn't mean you hate a person because they're homosexual, you just dont agree with them.

  • zkt

    I completely agree with Todd Reynolds, I think he's well spoken. From a religious perspective, I don't agree with same sex marriage. That doesn't mean I hate homosexuals, I just don't agree with them.

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    Reynolds didn't limit his comments to disagreement, he called same-sex marriage wrong and said tolerance/support of it is misguided.

    Nobody is going to make him (or you) marry anyone, or force you to attend a same-sex marriage, or steal your tax benefits and give them to same-sex couples, so get the fuck over it and find something better to do.

  • http://twitter.com/Br3ttLamb Brett Lamb

    Well, I don't hate left-handed people but I sure don't agree with the way they write. If they practiced enough, they could do some pretty passable right-handed writing.

  • torontothegreat

    You should watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v

  • JesusLovesYouThisIKnow

    Bottom line is God's Word (The Bible) is very clear..all sex outside a marriage between a man and a woman is sin. This includes fornication, adultery and homosexuality. Most people do not agree with God but that doesn't change God's truth “Let God be true and every man a liar”

  • McKingford

    From a religious perspective, I don't agree with same sex marriage.

    Ok then, how 'bout this: they won't get married in your church, and you STFU about it when they get married at City Hall. Deal?

    We ought not conduct our civil society in accordance with your belief in sky fairies and unicorns.

  • McKingford

    Look freak, if you want to believe in some 2000 year old fairy tale about a guy who was artificially inseminated (by himself!), and who comes out of the ground after three days to see his shadow (I may be confusing fairy tales here…), fine.

    But why can't you let us forincators have our fun and just STFU about it? I'll take my chances.

  • VonAwesome

    Sure, you don't hate homosexuals, you just think they're an abomination to humankind, are unworthy of the basic human rights like marriage, and are incapable of such human emotions as love. Devoting an emotion like hate to such inferior beings would be an utter waste of time.

    Am I over-generalizing your statement or putting words in your mouth? Maybe I am, I don't even know you. But that is exactly what you're implying when you say being gay is wrong and, therefore, homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to wed. If you ask me (which I'm sure you won't so I'm just going to go ahead) telling people they shouldn't be allowed to share their love with one another is about as hateful as you can get.

    Also, and this is a genuine question, if marriage is such a holy Bible-based union, why isn't anyone kicking up a fuss over the fact that people of other religions/no religion can wed? Hindu's believe in many Gods, atheists don't believe in any but it's totes cool that they can legally marry. Shouldn't going against one of the 10 Commandments, one of the biggies, be a more of a priority than a single sentence in a book that also has such ignored wisdom as: Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19), don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27), and if a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)

  • VonAwesome

    I am totally down with your right to believe this and live your life by those rules. But what does it have to do with other people and why should it dictate what they can or cannot do with their lives?

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    Who said anything about anyone having sex? We're talking about marriage.

    Your book says polygamy and bigamy are OK. It says divorce isn't. It says remarrying is adultery. It also says selling your daughter to be a sex slave to her future husband is fine and dandy. Concubines got the stamp of approval too. Forcing women captured in war to marry is also a holy thing, according to your book.

    Yes, your book has a lot of stupid things to say on the subject of marriage.

  • JesusLovesYouThisIKnow

    It's not my book it's God's book.

    God's book does not say polygamy and bigamy are OK. God allows divorce under 2 circumstances. The bible never says selling your daughter to be a sex slave to her future husband is fine and dandy. Concubines never got the stamp of approval from God.God never approves forcing women captured in war to marry.

    You are operating under the false presumption that all the behavior that man participates in that is documented in the bible is condoned and approved by God. This false presumption is leading you to misinterpret God's Word.

  • McKingford

    You know, I was on the subway today and a guy got on at Wellesley and sat across from me. And he proceeded to have a conversation with himself in a rather loud voice, and didn't stop until Sheppard.

    Yet your belief in this crazy shit still makes you nuttier than that guy…

  • zkt

    I will pray for you McKingford, you too tyrannosaurus_rek. Jesus still loves you, and that's no fairy tale!

  • zkt

    And just to get this out there…… I'm not a fan of Sean Avery, not because he agrees with same sex marriage, I just don't like his stupidity on the ice. He's a goon!

  • JesusLovesYouThisIKnow

    God's Word commands believers to go into all the world to proclaim the gospel. Jesus Christ who is eternal God came down to this earth lived a sinless life and willingly allowed men to put him to death on a cross where he paid the penalty for every single sin that had ever been committed or that ever would be committed by every man, woman, boy and girl who would place their faith and trust in Him. Then 3 days later he rose from the dead and 40 days later ascended to the right hand of God's throne in Heaven

    If you “take your chances” and fail to to accept Christ as your Lord and Saviour before you pass on the bible says you will spend eternity in a real place called Hell where you will pay the penalty for you sins.

  • JesusLovesYouThisIKnow

    God loves people. He created them in His image. He has revealed His will for our lives in His Word. As a believer He has instructed me to share God's Word when given the opportunity in an effort to build up the Kingdom of God.

  • VonAwesome

    So, to answer my question, nothing at all.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CU5KPACL6XIOAXUUR7X7FK3SFA Rob

    “You're all intolerant for not tolerating my intolerance!”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CU5KPACL6XIOAXUUR7X7FK3SFA Rob

    Please cite the exact book, chapter and verse in which the Bible says that marriage between a man and a woman is the only valid one. I don't want an explanation or mental gymnastics to arrive at an end result; if it's such a big deal to God, it'll be in clear, concise words (like “do not lie” or “do not steal”). Until such time as you can do that, there's no way that you can claim that “it's very clear”.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CU5KPACL6XIOAXUUR7X7FK3SFA Rob

    Someone once told me that when a Christian resorts to “I will pray for you” they don't have a way of defending their beliefs. “I will pray for you” is Christianese for “Eff you”.

  • zkt

    I totally disagree with your comment Rob. By the way, I will pray for you too. It's gonna be okay man. God bless

  • JesusLovesYouThisIKnow

    Gen 2;20-25

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IRRGBI7WKQJXUS65R5OY3DARMU Angela

    He said it and then defended it. Did he not think he would take flack for it? If you are not prepared to deal then keep your mouth shut.

    I think his comments are shameful. They same type of thing was said about interracial marriage not too long ago. It was wrong then and it is wrong now.

    If people are so stoked about the sanctity of marriage – the why is the divorce rate so high??

    This guy works for his Daddy – just goes to show, you can get away with anything whey Daddy is your boss.

  • zkt

    You know why the divorce rate is so high. Its because people don't value their marriage anymore, it's a sad thing. I would have said the same thing and stand up for what I believe in. Apparently, that's how our world works these days.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CU5KPACL6XIOAXUUR7X7FK3SFA Rob

    I went and read it and nowhere in those six verses is there anything that says, “marriage between an man and a woman is the only valid one”. Did you miss the part where I said no mental gymnastics?

    This would be clear and obvious: Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill and Exodus: 20:15 Thous shalt not steal.

    This is not clear and obvious: Adam was lonely so God made Eve out of his rib. And they had sex and then they were married. And because that's how Adam and Eve did it, that is the only way marriage can happen.

    So until you can show a verse that is as clear cut as the examples I show above, it is not at all clear or obvious that marriage is only between a man and a woman, any more than it is clear that bicycles are sinful because people once only rode on horses.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CU5KPACL6XIOAXUUR7X7FK3SFA Rob

    Please don't condescend to me. I neither need nor want your prayers.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IRRGBI7WKQJXUS65R5OY3DARMU Angela

    You are correct – people don't value marriage. People would rather be happy then stick with a partner that is no longer a fit. People deserve to be happy….all people. Not just the ones that are deemed worthy of it.

    You have every right to voice your opinion and every right to feel the way you do. You do not have a right to impose your opinion or beliefs on another. That is wrong.

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    “If you “take your chances” and fail to to accept Christ as your Lord and Saviour before you pass on the bible says you will spend eternity in a real place called Hell where you will pay the penalty for you sins.”

    Any child can see through Pascal's Wager.

  • zkt

    I'm not imposing my opinion, I'm voicing it!

  • zkt

    To bad, I already prayed for you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IRRGBI7WKQJXUS65R5OY3DARMU Angela

    Yes, didn't mean to offend. That should have been a general comment and not directed at you.

    I'm glad that you are not the type to impose your beliefs and try and stop same-sex marriage even though you don't agree with it.

    I am all for it myself.

  • zkt

    You didn't offend, I'm just saying Im voicing what I believe, nobody needs to believe me, this all really comes down to how I felt about Todd Reynolds today. He's taken a lot of flack and I'm here to stand beside him because I do agree with him.

  • zkt

    It's impossible to stop same sex marriage, it's growing in society today. Im not on that band wagon though.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CU5KPACL6XIOAXUUR7X7FK3SFA Rob

    Right, because why should my wishes matter. You're more than happy to force your religion upon me, be it metaphysically (such as praying for me when I make it clear it's not welcome) or legally (by insisting on veto powers in my personal relationships). and this is why you are in the wrong: believe whatever you want about what is moral and what is acceptable for you, personally to do, and practice accordingly. I'll defend your right to do that. But the moment you extend that to me and mine, you are taking from me my right to believe whatever I want about what is moral and what is acceptable for me, personally to do, and practice accordingly.

  • zkt

    See, Gods already prompting you to talk about morality! And I'm not taking any rights from you. You go ahead and believe what you want to believe.

  • zkt

    My prayers have been answered!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IRRGBI7WKQJXUS65R5OY3DARMU Angela

    Todd Reynolds should have spoken on behalf of Todd Reynolds – not on behalf of the company he works for (doesn't matter that his Dad owns the company). No company or corporation should tolerate such behaviour.

    I wonder how many people in his office are gay?? He singled out and alienated people in their workplace. That is shameful.

    You don't have to believe in it but you should never say its “wrong”, “sad” or “misguided”. Using such words is judgemental and intolerant. Stating that you don't believe in it for religious reasons is enough.

    He should be fired.

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    “God's book does not say polygamy and bigamy are OK.”

    Deut 25:5–10 & Matt 25:1–13.

    “God allows divorce under 2 circumstances.”

    On the contrary, it isn't allowed at all: Mal 2:16, Matt 5:31-32, Mark 19:3-9, Mark 10:10-12 & Luke 16:18
    .

    “The bible never says selling your daughter to be a sex slave to her future husband is fine and dandy.”

    Except it does: Exo 21:7-11 (which also allows for multiple wives)
    .

    “Concubines never got the stamp of approval from God.”

    Maybe he changed his mind? 1Ch. 1:32, Gn. 30:4, Gn. 35:22, 2Sam. 20:3.

    “God never approves forcing women captured in war to marry.”

    2Sam. 12:11 and Deut 21:10-14 say otherwise.

    “You are operating under the false presumption that all the behavior that
    man participates in that is documented in the bible is condoned and
    approved by God. This false presumption is leading you to misinterpret
    God's Word.”

    Half the citations above are God or Jesus telling people they can do this stuff, or God telling people he's going to do it to them, and the others are your faithful prophets and such saying what God wants, or will do, or hates, or allows. If we shouldn't listen to them why should we listen to you?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IRRGBI7WKQJXUS65R5OY3DARMU Angela

    Yup, impossible :)

  • Toronto_Dave

    “I'm throwing in with Jesus.” – Bill O'Reilly, Esq.

  • JesusLovesYouThisIKnow

    You are comparing apples to oranges. The no stealing and no killing references are commandments. Marriage is a divine ordinance.

    Just because there is no one verse in the bible that lays out the specific marriage parameters does not necessarily mean that God approves of same sex marriages.

    However God would never approve of same sex marriages based on the overwhelming scriptural evidence that homosexual activity is against the will of God. He made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

    (
    Genesis 19:1-13
    ;
    Leviticus 18:22
    ;
    20:13
    ;
    Romans 1:26-27
    ;
    1 Corinthians 6:9
    ).
    Romans 1:26-27

    1 Corinthians 6:9
    proclaims that homosexual “offenders” will not inherit the kingdom of God.

  • JesusLovesYouThisIKnow

    Sadly you got some bad information from “someone”

  • Toronto_Dave

    “God loves people. He created them in His image.”

    Okay, let's go with that for a second. Given that most scientific evidence suggests that homosexuality is innate, doesn't it follow that God made them gay? Further, if we accept that all men are created in His image, and some men are “created” gay, wouldn't it mean that there's a little bit of gay in God, too?

  • zkt

    On what grounds should he be fired. If he should be fired for discrimination then anybody that discriminates against his view point should be fired to. Why should I never be able say its wrong when you can say its right.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CU5KPACL6XIOAXUUR7X7FK3SFA Rob

    I guess you just ignored the part where I said no mental gymnastics.

    Look, you said it was clear that god meant for marriage to be one man and one woman. But all you've demonstrated is that it is anything but the sure thing you want to claim it is. Really, if you have to work that hard to prove that you know what God intended, then chances are pretty darn good that what you're really trying to do is justify bigotry.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CU5KPACL6XIOAXUUR7X7FK3SFA Rob

    I'm not talking about morality, I'm talking about rights in a free society. But better luck next time with the reading comprehension.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CU5KPACL6XIOAXUUR7X7FK3SFA Rob

    I don't know, it seems to have held up pretty well. I'm getting the big eff you from when you said it. I mean, how else should one interpret the little “I win” song and dance you do in the comments below regarding your unwanted prayer for me?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CU5KPACL6XIOAXUUR7X7FK3SFA Rob

    BTW, there isn't universal agreement across Christian denominations that the gotcha verses you listed actually talk about loving relationships between two consenting adults of the same sex or gender. So again, not quite the clear, cut and dried matter you want it to be. Really, why would I, as a non-Christian buy into such bigotry if so many Christians don't?

  • zkt

    Whatever man, Jesus loves you

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CU5KPACL6XIOAXUUR7X7FK3SFA Rob

    And thats the second way that Christians say eff you when they run out of ways to defend their position.

  • zkt

    No seriously, he does. I'm honestly not trying to get rid of you, I'm saying there is a god in heaven who created you and he loves you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CU5KPACL6XIOAXUUR7X7FK3SFA Rob

    Since that is apropos of nothing in this thread, I have to wonder why you posted it.

  • liifedotinfo

    He does have a point. He may think it is “wrong” but that does not mean that he is judging others, intolerant or a bigot. For example, he may view it as being incompatible with his beliefs.

    There are many people who believe in different religions and view each other's practices as “wrong”. It doesn't stop them having friendships and tolerating each other. Some of them even marry.

    My personal blog: http://www.Liife.info

  • JesusLovesYouThisIKnow

    I did not ignore the part where you said “no mental gymnastics”. The problem you are having is the same problem I had before God gave me the faith to become a Christian. The is a spiritual book and therefore can't be understood without the power of the Holy Spirit to reveal its meaning.

  • JesusLovesYouThisIKnow

    You are right there is a lot of disagreement among people who call them selves Christians on major issues like homosexuality. The problem is there there are many people on the earth who call themselves Christians who are in reality not Christians at all. They have never been truly born again by the Holy Spirit.

  • http://twitter.com/ConSerToronto Andrew Barrington

    If you are talking about civil unions governed by the laws of this country I say have at it
    Difference is that the definition of marriage is borne out history whether it be the history of the Bible, history of the Qu'ran, history of the Torah and in all those instances is marriage was to be a covenant under God in which you were to join together for eternity.
    The current way that marriage is being interpreted today, is some sort of contract that you enter into with someone that carries some sort of benefits when it comes to insurance and wills and access to government resources that single people do not get. It no longer is about love and eternal devotion to the one that you have joined your heart with

    This is why we have websites like Ashley Madison, and divorce rates over 50% and this question about gay marriages (aka civil unions), its become more about what kinda Sex you can have with whom, what kinda money or status that you can have and being able to get things by having a contract.

    I whole heartedly believe that Gay people should have the right to love who they want but does a Marriage license change whether or not your love is real?

    I would hope not…

    If we created a law that said you will be able to enter into a contract with someone and have the same access to things that people who take the oath of marriage do without calling it marriage would that do?

    My guess is that it would not even though that would seem like the reasonable answer in a civil society not ruled by belief in “Sky Fairies and Unicorns” as you so eloquently put it

    Let churches keep their Marriages and their silly Sky Fairy God
    Let Smart “We came from Monkey's” people have Civil Unions

    and we can all live in this great country called Canada

  • http://twitter.com/ConSerToronto Andrew Barrington

    Brother just continue to speak the word of God,
    We are to inform them not judge them as sinners as we all are
    They are to be moved to see the glory of Jesus with hopefully our help
    If they don't see it and it comes to pass that they must face him, they will be judged by him
    Continue to do what you are doing as you have been commanded to do
    I just wanted to lift you up considering so many are trying to put you down

  • http://twitter.com/ConSerToronto Andrew Barrington

    The problem that Christians have in just saying nothing when we see things that we consider not the will of God, is that we are called (by God) to speak on it. Ultimately will your life go on and you will continue to do what you want but we as Christians will continue to speak about it in all forms if we see things that are in violation if the rules of Christ

    Christianity is a lifestyle, something I was born to be and as such I am going to continue to speak for it (that saying sounds familiar) :)

  • JesusLovesYouThisIKnow

    There is no scientific evidence. Its not biology it's morality. Fornication, adultery and homosexuality are choices. They are all sins against a Holy God. Adam was made in God's image holy without a sin nature. God gave him a free will and tragically he decided to disobey God and sin entered the human race as a result and all humanity because we are all related to Adam inherit the sin nature from Adam.

  • torontothegreat

    You think marriage was created for love?

    Wow. Just wow.

  • torontothegreat

    A sin, which is forgiveable. It's not a fast track ticket to hell, buddy. And you are not too judge this, no man is capable of judgeing that is which God commands. Do you people even read your own religious texts?

  • Canadianskeezix

    I didn't say that Reynolds didn't have a point (a bigoted and ignorant point, but a point nonetheless). I said that he completely misunderstood why people were criticizing him.

    It's one thing to believe in “traditional marriage”, or to prefer one's own religious beliefs, but it is a completely different matter to disparage others for their beliefs or to say that their actual lives and belief systems are wrong. The latter is textbook bigotry and intolerance. I feel very sad for you if you do not understand that.

    It's okay to believe that there is one true religion. That does not, however, entitle one to say that, for example, Judaism is wrong. That's bigotry and intolerance.

    People used to say openly that miscegenation was wrong. That's intolerance and bigotry. Reynolds' tweet was intolerant and bigoted in exactly the same way.

    It's so ironic that you cannot see the difference in holding personal beliefs and chastising others for theirs. Nobody should be criticizing Reynolds because he believes the marriage should be between a man and a woman. People should criticize him, and rightfully call him intolerant, because he insists that anyone who believes differently than he does is misguided and wrong.

  • torontothegreat

    So what you're saying is that my wife is also my cousin? Ewwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • torontothegreat

    “Just because there is no one verse in the bible that lays out the
    specific marriage parameters does not necessarily mean that God approves
    of same sex marriages.”

    Isn't it a huge sin to re-interpret God's word? You're acting as a false idol. SINNER!

  • torontothegreat

    Like yourselves?

  • JesusLovesYouThisIKnow

    What specific scripture do you think I improperly interpret?

  • JesusLovesYouThisIKnow

    You are right I am a sinner…I was born a sinner separated from God. However, because of God's love and grace he gave me saving faith in Jesus Christ so all my past present and future sins have been paid for by Jesus on the cross.

  • VonAwesome

    If homosexuality is a choice, how come I'm not attracted to women? Because, seriously, if I could be I *would* be. (I'm a lady, btw)

  • Toronto_Dave

    “There is no scientific evidence.”

    Should have expected you'd say this. Not too keen on science, I bet. I suppose you also believe the Earth was created in 6 days 6,000 years ago, and that Adam and Eve rode dinosaurs just like in the Flintstones.

  • Toronto_Dave

    Sweet Jeebus, when did all the Jesus freaks start reading Torontoist?

  • JesusLovesYouThisIKnow

    Not sure if Adam rode a dinosaur like Freddy…but you are right I believe in 6 day creation that took place roughly 6000 years ago. A scientist created a great website http://www.answersingenesis.or… that explains the biblical view of creation.

  • torontothegreat

    The problem isn't what you're misinterpreting, it's what you're misrepresenting. If there is no specific scripture that bans gay marriages, you're misrepresenting the word of God, therefore you are a false idol by all definitions in your own book.

  • JesusLovesYouThisIKnow

    Yea you are right we are all related through Adam and Eve..distant cousins though so don't stop loving your wife!

  • http://profiles.google.com/bilryan Bill Ryan

    If it looks like a bigot and smells like a bigot it is a bigot! Fifty years ago those who were in favour of segregation and against inter-”racial” marriage said they were not racists . . .

  • torontothegreat

    and am I (a person) allowed to judge your sins? To banish you from mankind because of your sins? Isn't that the job of God? Why are you above homosexuals? A sin is a sin is a sin. And ALL sins are between man and God, not you, not him, not her, only Him.

  • JesusLovesYouThisIKnow

    Sorry I am confused you are a lady and you want to be attracted to ladies?

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    I'm going to get some Mormons to baptize you without your permission, see how you like it.

  • JesusLovesYouThisIKnow

    I said never stated that there was one verse that “bans gay marriages” However, there are many verses that indicate God considers homosexual behavior is sin and therefore should not be a part of the divinely ordained institution of marriage as was laid out by God in Gen 2:20-25.

  • VonAwesome

    Damn straight I do. I've met some amazing lesbian and bisexual woman that I would have loved to be in a relationship with, if only I was a little bit sexually attracted to them.

  • JesusLovesYouThisIKnow

    There is one judge.Jesus Christ.You are right. I am not above anyone. I am a sinner just like everyone else. I am saved by God's grace.Jesus paid the penalty for my sins. I have a relationship with God the Father after surrendering my life to Jesus. He is my Lord and Savior. He wants all believers to spread the gospel to other people and that's what I try to do when given the opportunity by God.

  • torontothegreat

    if adam and eve are the grandfather and grandmother of all humankind, we're not “distant” cousins, we're from the exact same genepool. Inbreds. Do you know how DNA works?

  • torontothegreat

    So sinners can't marry? Wouldn't that definition mean no human can marry as we're born into sin?

  • JesusLovesYouThisIKnow

    Well from God's perspective he has wired you to not have a sexual attraction to women. When you think about it if women were attracted to women and men to men none of us would be around because babies don't get made that way! The plumbing is not setup for procreation in that arrangement.

  • isyouhappy

    Continue to speak all you want about your lifestyle, just make sure that your lifestyle doesn't deny me my legal rights to enjoy my 'lifestyle', and be prepared when you speak about your lifestyle that you criticize yourself just as much as you criticize my 'lifestyle' or, in the end live your life, and let me live mine, and quit judging.

  • torontothegreat

    You're not spreading the gospel. You are being judgemental and speaking for Him on His behalf — I'm fairly certain you will rot in hell if you continue this illicit behaviour.

    Go atone, then read your bible, stand on a street corner and spread the word all you want. Leave the interpretations and judgements to your faith in God and in God alone.

  • VonAwesome

    So what you're saying is that it's not a choice, God wired me to be straight. According to that logic God also wired homosexuals to be gay. You can't have it both ways. Either my heterosexuality is a choice or God purposely created gay people.

  • JesusLovesYouThisIKnow

    I am spreading the gospel..I am not judging I am relaying God's word..souls don't rot in Hell..they are preserved in Hell so they can pay the penalty for their sins for all of eternity.

    I do not have to atone for my sins. Jesus already did that on my behalf.

    Yes Jesus was a friend of Martha. He hated sin and loved the sinner.

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    Nicely done.

  • Astin44

    Wow, I've never seen reply threads get so physically narrow here before.

  • http://piorkowski.ca qviri

    Hey, just because they think it's wrong for black people to sit in front of the bus doesn't mean they're bigots or haters. They just think it's wrong, why can't you respect that?!

    (Yes, )

  • torontothegreat

    Okay so “relay” God's word to me where he specifically says Gays can't marry? You hate the sin, so why punish the sinner (to which you have no divine right to do)? I wasn't aware being a christian gave you the authority to judge as God does?

  • torontothegreat

    It's funny that you say that. It was in fact the Church of God that saw it as a bad thing back in the day. Left handed is an abomination of God, it's evil (God should be on your right always). Sound familiar?

  • kstop

    Truly you are… VonAWESOME.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CU5KPACL6XIOAXUUR7X7FK3SFA Rob

    I find this extremely insulting to all the gay people in the world who have had to overcome years of mental cruelty and abuse from people exactly like you. And the worst part is, you think your cruelty is love! You actually think the mental and emotional abuse you promote in the world is a loving attitude.

    There is plenty of scientific evidence that being gay is not morality, nor is it a choice. But I doubt that you'd ever accept it–you are too full of hubris to ever accept that you and your hateful religion could ever be wrong.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CU5KPACL6XIOAXUUR7X7FK3SFA Rob

    Oh my snarf, you actually believe those con artists at Answers in Genesis! That's a headsmacker right there. No wonder you hold such an anti-intellectual view of homosexuality.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CU5KPACL6XIOAXUUR7X7FK3SFA Rob

    I call shenanigans on that. You said it was clear. If it is clear, it is clear to everyone. You can't say something is clear and then start adding after the fact. That's called moving the goalposts, and it's dishonest.

    What I've learned from this is that it is clear only if you already believe it, and only if you extrapolate from a story that doesn't actually say anything about SSM, and only if you have a ghost tell you what it means. In other words, not clear at all.

    Make no mistake, if you want to believe that SSM is wrong *FOR YOU* I have no problem with that. Believe it all you want. Don't marry someone of the same sex. But that's some pretty flimsy nonsense to decide that SSM is wrong for anyone else, and that those who support SSM are automatically wrong because they don't buy into your flimsy nonsense.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CU5KPACL6XIOAXUUR7X7FK3SFA Rob

    I also call shenanigans on this. This would be the No True Scotsman fallacy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CU5KPACL6XIOAXUUR7X7FK3SFA Rob

    I hadn't thought of that! i know some Wiccans, I bet they'll be willing to do a prosperity spell for zkt.

  • http://piorkowski.ca qviri

    I haven't had a refresher of my Catholic theory in a while (nor do I plan to), but as I recall, we're born into sin and cleansed of it during baptism.

  • McKingford

    I prefer the term Magic Space Zombie Jew Eaters…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CU5KPACL6XIOAXUUR7X7FK3SFA Rob

    I'd like to point out that I personally don't have a problem with Reynolds' original tweet. Folks have a right to say bigoted, homophobic things. My problem is with the idea that it is acceptable to justify bigotry with religious belief.

    If you think that gay people don't deserve the same rights as everyone else (of which marriage is included) then you are a bigot. If your religion tells you that gay people don't deserve equal rights, then your religion is bigoted. If your religion tells you that not only is it okay to call people perverts (and that's what Reynolds is doing) but that it's your duty to do so (as has been pointed out by the Christian commentators here), then your religion is not only bigoted but downright nasty.

    And if you're shocked and surprised when your bigoted and nasty statements cause others to react negatively, then the problem is with your inability to figure out what a five year old knows: people react negatively to nastiness, no matter how nice you say it.

    Religion should never be a free pass to the kind of attitudes and behavior you wouldn't put up with from others.

  • JesusLovesYouThisIKnow

    You should talk to the thousands of former gay people who have repented of their sinful lifestyle and accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. They would know the true love God offers all sinners in John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life”

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    “Folks have a right to say bigoted, homophobic things.”

    To a point.

  • McKingford

    Ted Haggart says hello….

    and also…

    HE'S STILL GAY!

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    It's perfectly possible for someone to be gay and, for religious reasons, not act on their sexual orientation. Good for them, if that's what makes them happy.

    But if you're trying to imply gay aversion therapy, or whatever the ex-gay/gay-to-straight program is called, works, you're mistaken.

  • http://twitter.com/Tedhealey Dead Robot

    Figuratively and physically.

  • torontothegreat

    okay rephrase: Anyone that sins shouldn't get married? World is f'd

  • Toronto_Dave

    Answers in Genesis – you mean the Museum of Creation people? Sorry, you can call it a lot of things but science it ain't.

    Makes about as much sense as this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CU5KPACL6XIOAXUUR7X7FK3SFA Rob

    Wow, you'll believe any garbage your religion spoonfeeds you, no matter how farfetched or unsubstantiated. First the folks at Answers in Genesis and now the folks at Exodus. The only thing the ex-gay industry demonstrates is that there is more than one way to ruin the lives of people in pursuit of religious correctness. You say that there have been “thousands” of gay people who have gone straight. But there is no research or records to back that number up. What we do know is that there have been a rather large number of people who have either committed suicide or considered it because of their experiences in the exgay industry–an industry, by the way, which is unregulated, unlicensed and has its basis in some rather dubious (read: refuted) psychiatry. And we also know that even Exodus shies away from saying that a gay person can become straight. What they say is that a gay person can experience change without ever defining what “change” means.

    If you really want to model your life and beliefs on such con artists, more power to you. but please refrain from applying such nonsense to the lives of others.

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    And another bigot bites the dust:

    Sportsnet fires Damian Goddard for tweet supporting Reynolds.

  • zkt

    Because its true

  • zkt

    Because its true

  • AmberKyah

    Thank you!

  • AmberKyah

    They don't act on it because they are pressured by their family.  At the end of the day they still dream of the same sex.

  • AmberKyah

    At the end of the day they are still gay. They still dream of the same sex.

  • AmberKyah

    I was working and this little girl, around nine years old, was handing out little cards that read,”God loves you.”  Thing is I'm an active sinner and will always be. I'm a lesbian and I will marry my girlfriend.  I don't understand why God, being he loving man that he is, just won't accept that things won't always go his was.  Who made him all high and grand? God should reevaluate his definition of “sins”.