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Ryerson, Meet Your New Student Centre

The most exciting building to appear in this neighbourhood in decades” or a “glass atrocity“?
Renderings of the design for Ryerson University’s new Student Learning Centre—which will be built where Sam the Record Man once stood—are out (leaked to the Star last night and officially released in a press conference a few minutes ago), and competing opinions are already flying around the pages of Toronto’s newspapers. Designed by Toronto’s Zeidler Partnership Architects in collaboration with Snøhetta (Oslo, Norway and New York City), the building will cost $112 million (the province is kicking in $45 million of that) and is scheduled for completion by the winter of 2014.
The glass-fronted, eight-storey centre will include study spaces, meeting rooms, and street-level retail, and will meet LEED silver certification standards. Fans are applauding the design’s transparency, sense of openness, and light, and especially its attempt to be an open window for students onto the city, and for the city into Ryerson. Detractors, meanwhile, are lambasting the building for lacking any sense of context or history.
The building, in at least one sense, is a very natural fit for Ryerson: in its reliance on primarily open areas, suited for group meetings and chance conversations, it’s a turn to a more “modern” understanding of what a study space should be. This morning’s press release trumpeted that sense of collaboration and connection: “The notion that learning is a static, solitary activity is outmoded,” we are told. Whether Ryerson students find themselves agreeing is a fascinating question.
Renderings courtesy of Ryerson University.

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  • http://bart.whahay.net Bartek

    Wonderful. Will make that currently depressing corner shine

  • CarlyMaga

    And the Sam's sign?

  • HamutalDotan

    No mention of it was made in the press info we've received so far. Will definitely update if we learn more.

  • http://twitter.com/Br3ttLamb Brett Lamb

    From these renderings, they've taken what was once one of the city's most iconic streetscapes and turned it into a wall of empty glass. Maybe someday they'll build fake storefronts on it like the Eaton Centre.

  • http://piorkowski.ca qviri

    I'm not sure how I feel about what looks like a six metre concrete wall facing Yonge.

    And please tell me it has space below ground level extending all the way to the edge of Gould with a knock-out wall.

  • http://twitter.com/MarkJull Mark Jull

    I, too, wonder about that concrete wall along the street (seen very well in second pic). The wall doesn't seem necessary… maybe the design will change?

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    Is it a solid wall? From the angle it's impossible to tell if it's glass, if there are doors, etc. It looks like it could be the same window/glass wall as seen above the ramp and behind the stilts.

    I want to know where the Sam's sign will be installed.

  • Lee

    I also hate the idea of the wall along Yonge. It looks in horrid the pic, and makes it seem like Ryerson is treating the street like it isn't there. It's certainly not in tune with contemporary urban design and how to respond to the streetscape.

    The Post is right in asking what happened with Sheldon Levy's statement the “we are working closely with the City of Toronto to ensure that the legacy of Sam the Record Man is honoured.”

    Ryerson should be ashamed to even have considered this design. If they do build it, maybe the best we can hope for is that someone will paint a great mural on that wall…

  • http://profiles.google.com/canadia.laura Laura Farr

    Not sure how great that will look with the existing streetwall…. makes it look disjointed.

    Wasn't the sign auctioned off?

  • http://profiles.google.com/canadia.laura Laura Farr

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/mu…

    As of Oct, 2, 2008:
    “It says the sign, which consists of more than 800 lights, will be taken down beginning Monday and remounted in a new home on the Ryerson campus.”

  • http://profiles.google.com/gregthehughes greg hughes

    yeah, that big concrete wall on the yonge street side looks a little depressing, its going to be really boring walking yonge street around there now.

  • MichaelOrnot

    I like the airiness of the upper level glass. Hopefully it won't be thought later to be too costly and then interspersed with aluminum siding. (I'm still bitter about the ROM's gutless dodge of the original plan.)
    The Yonge St facade at street level should be left open, but the drawing gives the impression that the next floor is quite low to the ground, which would make the sidewalk quite oppressive. I'd love to see a side elevation that showed it to be an arcade that opens into a larger, lighter space.
    I can dare to dream right?

  • http://twitter.com/carbonman carbonman

    1. Not all glass buildings are bad.
    2. It's not *always* about context. If it was, we'd still be living in grass huts bc architecture would never move forward.
    3. it's not a concrete wall, it looks like partitioned glass panels.
    4. Sam's is gone. Get over it. I miss the place but I don't need to see their gaudy sign on Yonge Street forever.

  • avp77

    Looks incredibly generic. Could be built anyplace in the world, and honestly would probably look more impressive in a wide open suburban corporate park rather than in this downtown location. Have the architects even visited the site physically?

  • http://paul.kishimoto.name Paul Kishimoto

    qviri, rek, Mark, Lee, Laura, Greg and Michael:

    1. Click on the “press release” link above, scroll to bottom:

    Note to photo editors: There are seven architectural images to accompany this release. They are available to download at http://www.ryerson.ca/news/med…

    3. Follow link, note “RETAIL” in the last image.
    4. Open “BACKGROUNDER: Student Learning Center”, go to page 2:

    Destination retail space will be available at grade and below, creating a prominent commercial façade to Yonge Street traffic.

  • http://piorkowski.ca qviri

    Ok, thanks. Still looks a bit weird on the render and I'd love to see a close-up on that part, but I'll give them the benefit of doubt for the time being.

  • MichaelOrnot

    It's funny how being 'world class' (horrible phrase) often simply means 'we have the same stuff as everyone else'. It reflects the marketing dept's idea of what culture is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mkolberg Mikey Kolberg

    I'm jealous of future students. Between this and the renovated Image Arts building, I should have deferred my graduation. I'll hazard a guess that the haters aren't/were never Ryerson students?

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    I really didn't think there would be, and I'm glad to see retail space. I do hope that retail space has some interaction with the sidewalk though, not just flat glass panels.

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    Should they be designing for what the street and neighbourhood looks like today, or what it will look like in 15-20 years or beyond? There's nothing 'generic' about this building when you look at the rest of Toronto. You'd have to plop this down in the middle of Dubai for it not to stand out.

  • http://twitter.com/brianyyz Brian B

    Innovative and modern. This is so much better than what was there before.

  • jaaaaaaat

    any talk of sam the record man is pure nostalgia. Sam's family was more than well compensated for the site purchase (they had held out for years and millions).

    But do feel free to gripe about the architecture : where is the subway connection? Why is O'Keefe Lane being ignored?

  • jaaaaaaat

    that subterranean space better connect to the subway.
    but knowing how the TTC operates – that is not likely.

  • jaaaaaaat

    a street wall is one of the most important elements in a successful street life. In this case, ryerson has made it clear that it will be retail frontage, again, a classic case for successful urban design. This is proven time and again – walk along Queen or anywhere in europe or NYC.

    The alternative is a setback, which is suburban. If anything, ryerson has made a massive a compromising gesture – street wall combined with the VOID on the corner.

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    Sidewalk patio space isn't exactly “suburban”, though the overhang would entirely defeat the point of having a patio.

  • http://twitter.com/Br3ttLamb Brett Lamb

    It sounds like the retail is buried in the basement and only accessible by stairs.

  • http://twitter.com/smuncky Alex

    i'm gonna take a guess and say that the TTC connection is going to go where the old empress hotel was.

  • http://paul.kishimoto.name Paul Kishimoto

    Brett:

    1. Scroll up to my last comment:

    at grade

  • http://twitter.com/Br3ttLamb Brett Lamb

    must learn how read

  • http://twitter.com/MarkJull Mark Jull

    Thanks, Paul. But I'm still not sure about this idea. It comes off as “Iunno, stick some shops in there?” But I do have a giant bias for how a building meets the street – I think it's the most important, and it comes off as an unimportant afterthought here.

  • http://piorkowski.ca qviri

    Yeah, but this building in turn needs to connect to that.

  • torontothegreat

    Generic? Pics or it didn't happen!

  • http://twitter.com/jayydee92 JD Shippel

    You clearly either don't know what “generic” means, or you don't know much about buildings or the area. This is one of the most original looking designs I've seen for this area. It looks MORE impressive because that strip is full of low-rising, older retail stores. I'm also assuming that yes, they visited the site, it would be pretty ridiculous if they didn't.

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    All downtown buildings should connect to each other, really. The Path should reach from Union Station to Yorkville.

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    We're allowed to feel nostalgic. Sam's family may have been paid, but the rest of us have to live with those private decisions.

  • http://piorkowski.ca qviri

    And we're working on that. The new building at Yonge and Gerrard will connect to College Park and will have a connection south across Gerrard if something new is ever built there. I don't know if there is a requirement for new buildings to either connect or enable connecting in the future, but if not there should be.

  • avp77

    It doesn't look that original to me. A big glass odd-shaped thing that's non-symmetrical in order to give an impression of being organic. Design and architecture isn't anything but a passing interest of mine, and I see books and websites filled with this sort of thing from all around the world.

    That's why I used the word 'generic', because you could pretty much plop it down anywhere in the world on that footprint and it would as (in)effective, in any culture, at any latitude. It's actually incredibly typical of the global architecture of our times, and says nothing about the local place, people, or institution.

  • avp77

    I'm not sure what Toronto will look like in decades to come has to do with it? Unless you assume that the whole neighbourhood will look like that horrid building the AMC is in. I'm not saying it needs to be some faux-Victorian building. I'm complaining that it's unimaginative and cookie-cutter (with a few odd angles thrown it to try to make it seem novel).

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    “That's why I used the word 'generic', because you could pretty much plop it down anywhere in the world on that footprint and it would be as (in)effective, in any culture, at any latitude.”

    That's the point, really. Emphasizing the building's 'sheath' is a slightly new and trendy take on Modernism and the International Style, which have defined urban architecture for the last century; downtown Toronto is full of it. Toronto doesn't have a signature style or a rich architectural history (anymore), so this doesn't represent a loss for the city in any way.

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    “I'm not sure what Toronto will look like in decades to come has to do with it? Unless you assume that the whole neighbourhood will look like that horrid building the AMC is in.”"

    The long term context of the building is just as important as the streetscape on the first day its doors open. Downtown Toronto isn't going to stop developing anytime soon – the recession didn't put a dent in it, “heritage” protection has proven susceptible to arson, and even bankruptcy didn't shutter that billboard-covered monstrosity at Yonge-Dundas.

  • http://paul.kishimoto.name Paul Kishimoto

    I don't disagree—there's a great TED talk by James Howard Kunstler that I'm prone to pass around, in which he heaps scorn on buildings which have a poor connection to the street. I'm not sure that this building will have a good connection, or have the “active and permeable membrane” he talks about. He also talks about blank concrete walls—some in Boston, where I'm currently living.

    But there's no use criticizing this building on the basis of a misinterpretation of some renderings. That's the same as people complaining about Transit City as if it would have been streetcars. Better we should discuss real things.

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    “I'm not sure what Toronto will look like in decades to come has to do with it? Unless you assume that the whole neighbourhood will look like that horrid building the AMC is in.”"

    The long term context of the building is just as important as the streetscape on the first day its doors open. Downtown Toronto isn't going to stop developing anytime soon – the recession didn't put a dent in it, “heritage” protection has proven susceptible to arson, and even bankruptcy didn't shutter that billboard-covered monstrosity at Yonge-Dundas.

  • http://paul.kishimoto.name Paul Kishimoto

    I don't disagree—there's a great TED talk by James Howard Kunstler that I'm prone to pass around, in which he heaps scorn on buildings which have a poor connection to the street. I'm not sure that this building will have a good connection, or have the “active and permeable membrane” he talks about. He also talks about blank concrete walls—some in Boston, where I'm currently living.

    But there's no use criticizing this building on the basis of a misinterpretation of some renderings. That's the same as people complaining about Transit City as if it would have been streetcars. Better we should discuss real things.