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Ask Torontoist: How Fast Slow Does the Mail Go?

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Reader Nik Broukhanski asks:

How long does it take for a piece of mail dropped off in a mailbox to go across the city? What about down the street? I’d love to time it myself, but I’m sure you’d give it a zazzier response.


Torontoist answers:

First of all, we’re flattered by your faith in our zazziness. We hope this is the zazziest thing you read all day (or, at the very least, the most zazzy thing you read about the mail).
To answer this question, we decided to get experimental and epistolary (but not in, like, a bad first novel kind of way). In a highly scientific and rigorously controlled study, we sent out a zazzy cadre of letters addressed to eight friends scattered across the city and asked them to toss us an email when something turned up. No, the irony of this process is not lost on us.
We wish we could say that we wrote eight personal notes by hand and pressed the envelopes with a wax seal, but the truth is that we penned our own take on a chain letter on a laptop and printed off ten copies. We deposited the letters in a mailbox on Bloor Street West not far from Ossington Station in time to be collected the morning of February 1. And then we waited.
The distance our letters would have to travel ranged from up the street (0.7 kilometres, to be precise) to just over ten kilometres as the crow flies. One letter would be travelling over land and sea (ok, lake) to a Toronto Island resident. Not counting the Island destination, the letter with the furthest to go (11.4 kilometres, if you aren’t a crow) was one we could have hand-delivered ourselves in less than an hour if we jogged at a decent pace. But that isn’t the point of sending mail, right? Right.
The results of our little experiment, we’re afraid to say, are somewhat disheartening:



In conclusion, there’s a 50% chance of a letter zipping across the city in three days or less, but there’s also a 50% chance that it will take two to three weeks or, possibly, not arrive at all.
Canada Post’s Eugene Knapik broke the intra-Toronto mailing process down for us. Any letter sent in the GTA is brought to a facility on Eastern Avenue and sorted there. For the most part, this is done mechanically using a “multi-line optical character reader” that scans the letters’ addresses and sends them into different bins, but anything awkwardly shaped and too thick for the machine is sifted by hand. Normally, Knapik says, a letter sent on the afternoon of any given day should be delivered to the facility that day, sorted overnight, and arrive at a local depot in time for the next morning’s delivery. When we asked him about what could slow a piece of mail’s pace to, say, fourteen or eighteen days, he says that an incorrect address or incorrect postage are common culprits. He admits that the letter could have been mis-sorted. Canada Post, Knapik says, hits its targets for delivery time with 96% accuracy.

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  • http://twitter.com/PartyOfOne Alison McCausland

    “Canada Post, Knapik says, hits its targets for delivery time with 96% accuracy.

    Disagree.

    Over Christmas, packages (that according to CP's Christmas mailing guidelines should have arrived within 4 days) took well over three weeks to arrive. That's 15 + business days versus 4. I know that it's not a guaranteed 4 days, but come on, we're talking about 4x the expected time frame!

  • http://piorkowski.ca qviri

    Sounds like you were in the 4% that missed the delivery targets.

  • http://twitter.com/VintageBR Melissa McColl

    A customer, who unknowingly lived down the street, ordered some products from my Etsy shop. I offered to hand deliver, but she said mailing them was okay. I popped the package in the mail and the item never arrived! I had to give my customer a refund! I am so afraid to send anything in my own city!

  • g026r

    And, if you ask, Canada Post will tell you that the delivery times will likely not apply during the Christmas period.

    They're delivery estimates for periods when there is a normal volume of mail, of which Christmas is most definitely not.

  • HotDang

    “could have hand-delivered ourselves in less than an hour if we jogged at a decent pace”

    Most in-shape Torontoist writer of all time.

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    I just wish they'd take parcels directly to my nearest post office instead of carting to my door only to find I'm not home (on a weekday? at 10:30 in the morning? what could I possibly be doing?!), making me wait 2-4 days until they've delivered it to said post office (all of two blocks away).

  • torontothegreat

    Personilized carrier service? lolz
    For those that work from home, run businesses at home and/or do not work your hours or do not work at all, that parcel is important.

  • http://twitter.com/ZanShow Suzannah Showler

    I just tell it like it is. Who says writers can't be runners?

  • EmiliaBedelia

    This is one of those weird things that doesn't always happen. I order a lot of books offline and have a great group of friends that love sending me packages in the mail. Sometimes I'm told to pick the packages up at the nearest office, other times I'm not–regardless of whether I'm home. And I'm never home.

  • EmiliaBedelia

    What I would be interested in knowing is why Canadian postage is so expensive. Why does it cost me 23 dollars to send a piece of paper in a manila envelope to the states? Why does it cost me 10 dollars to send a small package to a friend down the street? It's so disheartening.

  • http://twitter.com/johnsemley3000 John Semley

    Also possibly the zazziest.

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    Personalized, like mail forwarding? It can't possibly be that difficult or costly to flag all parcels for automatic post office delivery if the recipient asks. They have to take all of my parcels to the post office anyway, this would save them loading and unloading and returning to the depot.

  • tyrannosaurus_rek

    9 times in 10 I have to go pick it up the next day or next business day, but that remaining 1 bothers me even more: my parcel is being left at the door just a few feet from the sidewalk and it's by sheer luck that a neighbour brings it in before the lady who steals our Ikea catalogues comes across it.

  • sundaybeat

    Wow

  • g026r

    1) Obviously I missed the word “Christmas” in of “Christmas mail guidelines”. At first glance it looked like the standard “Why wasn't my mail delivered faster!” complaint, and as such I read it in haste. For that I apologize.

    2) I do not work, nor have I ever worked, for Canada Post.

    2b) Are you always such an ass, or is it just when you're jumping to unsupported conclusions?

  • http://twitter.com/carlyrhiannon carlyrhiannon

    I found this out a little while ago. A small parcel was taken to the nearest postal outlet and I got a notification to pick it up. But then a larger parcel was left in my non-locking front porch where anyone could have wandered in and stolen my $200 package. Eeeps.

  • sundaybeat

    I might be an ass. I'll take it – why not?

    But ahem, we both jumped to conclusions no? The only difference is that I did it consciously.

    You were disrespectful of someone's legitimate grievance. You assumed that they were misinformed, in your zeal to defend a corporation that NEEDS more oversight in my opinion.

    We pay for their services, yet for some things they're the only game in town – and they know it. It's this kind monopolizing that breeds arrogance and an unwillingness to listen and hear what's really going on. You know, sort of like what you did.

    I apologize for assuming you work for Canada Post. I was an ass.
    Of course I didn't realize until you pointed it out just how insulting the 'assumption' was…. : )

  • http://twitter.com/accozzaglia accozzaglia

    In 2009, I had the chance to verify out exactly how long it took for a tracked Canada Post envelope sent off at Queen/University to arrive at Dupont/Spadina: 52 hours. By that, I can confirm that a toddler crawling in a marathon non-stop — at 100m an hour — would have beaten Canada Post by arriving in about 32 hours.

    This is why the messenger-courier sector does as well as it does in Toronto and elsewhere in Canada: even the slowest, cheapest services offered by most intra-urban couriers are guaranteed to arrive at its destination by the close-of-business on the next day. Even local couriers between cities is liable to be faster, since messenger companies will readily send long distance deliveries per customer spec using Purolator, UPS, FedEx, or other inter-urban companies.

    For official or timely documents to arrive when expected, Canada Post is not a viable option. Canada Post would benefit from learning how Royal Mail and the USPS handle mail services and infrastructure logistics more efficiently.

    Downside: the messenger commission per “slow-boat” call is very meagre, which can really cut into the bottom line of car couriers who must deliver to/from the GTA's peripheries — especially when the price of gas is really high.

  • http://twitter.com/accozzaglia accozzaglia

    Most recently, a USPS International Priority flat rate envelope from Kansas to Montréal — which left its origin on February 3rd and appeared to enter Canada by around the 9th — arrived at its destination on February 21st.

  • http://twitter.com/patconnolly Patrick Connolly

    You guys should redo this experiment with packages with GPS devices. Might be interesting to map the routes they take :)

  • http://twitter.com/ZanShow Suzannah Showler

    Great idea. Have any extra GPS devices kicking around?

  • http://twitter.com/ZanShow Suzannah Showler

    Great idea. Have any extra GPS devices kicking around?

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