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Municipal Election 2010: Live

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Photo by Eric Yip/Torontoist.


As the results come in we’ll be providing updates from key campaigns, announcing winners as they are declared, and trying to understand what it all means. For minute-by-minute updates on all the council and TDSB races head over to our politics hub and click on the map to find out more about a specific ward. For full election results, click right here.

10:55 PM: With 1,864 out of 1,870 polls reporting, as of right now, Rob Ford has 47.10% of the vote (380,201), George Smitherman has 35.60% (287,393), and Joe Pantalone has 11.75% (94,840). Voter turnout is at 52.19%, a figure that’ll only go up as the last few polls submit their results; in 2006, that was only 39.3%. Most, but not all, ward races have settled. You can see the full election results for the mayor’s race and for every ward, which’ll keep being updated minute-by-minute until every vote is counted, here.
For now, though, we’re going to call it a night, and make our way to the election night party that we’re hosting with ArtsVote. There’s a lot to think about, and a lot to talk about, and we’ll be doing lots of that in the days ahead. DT


10:48 PM: …and here is George Smitherman, delivering his concession speech earlier tonight, new adopted son in tow:

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Photo by Dean Bradley/Torontoist.


10:44 PM: Toronto, meet your next mayor:
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Photos by Christopher Drost/Torontoist.

10:21 PM

Winner: Gary Crawford (Councillor, Ward 36)

10:19 PM: Another tight contest: in Ward 27, with 85/87 polls reporting, Kristyn Wong-Tam is leading Ken Chan just over four hundred votes. HD
10:16 PM: Robinson defeats another incumbent, Cliff Jenkins, by about five hundred votes. HD

10:16 PM

Winner: Jaye Robinson (Councillor, Ward 25)
10:15 PM

Winner: James Pasternak (Councillor, Ward 10)

10:14 PM: The Ward 9 race is right now too close to call, with 29/30 polls reporting Maria Augimeri is just twenty-three votes ahead of Gus Cusimano. HD
10:13 PM: Lindsay Luby just barely squeaks by, with only 309 votes separating her from second-place finisher John Campbell. HD

10:12 PM

Winner: Gloria Lindsay-Luby (Councillor, Ward 4)

10:04 PM: More from Joe Mihevc: “I think it’s a good moment to be worried about the future of this city tonight, so I think it’s important to drink a lot of beer tonight, but we’re going to have lots of meetings, we’re going to invite the world in, to figure out this thing that just wants to tear Toronto down, and figure out how not to let it tear us down.” ABB
10:00 PM: Shouts from the crowd during Ford’s speech: “Where’s the billion dollars?” “22!” “Yeah, it’s about time.” “You’re the man, Robbie!” ES
9:56 PM: More words of wisdom, these from Martin Luther King Jr. via reelected progressive councillor Joe Mihevc (Ward 21): “the arc of history is long, but it bends towards justice.” ABB
9:54 PM: Ford wishing his competitors well, thanking them for their contributions. Says it is essential to protect the services Torontonians depend on, his words punctuated by the tooting of train whistles. HD
9:53 PM: Over at the Hungarian House, defeated Ward 17 candidate Jonah Schein says: “Let’s rest our feet, and let’s get ready to keep walking.” ABB
9:52 PM: Ford: “This victory is a clear call from tax payers: ‘enough is enough’… Tonight the city of Toronto is not divided. We are united.” HD
9:49 PM: “This is not just my victory. This is a victory for every person who lives and works in this great city of Toronto,” says Rob Ford. And then, of course, “we’re going to put an end to the gravy train.” HD
9:48 PM: With a few polls still to report, we’re at 49% turnout, almost 10% higher than last year. Silver linings. HD
9:40 PM: Rob Ford preparing to give his victory speech. With 1,828/1,870 polls reporting, he has 47% support to Smitherman’s 35%—a bigger margin than almost everyone anticipated. HD
9:38 PM: Mike Harris gets interviewed by CP24 from Rob Ford’s party, and is identified by the TV reporter as the “former Premier of Toronto.” There’s something to work into your nightmares tonight. DT
9:38 PM: The scene at the Joe Pantalone/Mike Layton party at Revival earlier this evening:
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Photos by Andrew Louis/Torontoist.


9:37 PM: Anthony Perruzza gets a clear (though not huge) win over bitter foe Peter Li Preti in Ward 8.HD
9:34 PM: Some thoughts from the reelected Joe Mihevc (Ward 21): “Who lost? Sandra Bussin lost, Adrian Heaps lost. That’s it on the progressive liberal side of things. Mary Fragedakis won, Sarah Doucette won…a number of conservatives lost, some to other conservatives, some to progressive candidates.” As for the way forward in a Ford City Hall, “it’s going to take a while for the dust to settle, and for us to figure this out.” ABB
9:28 PM: Meatier food for thought, now with 1,821 out of 1,870 polls reporting: Rob Ford = 47.09%. George Smitherman + Joe Pantalone = 47.39%. DT
9:28 PM: Pantalone, speaking with CP24, says that he doesn’t know what’ll come next for him. He goes on: “All I know is that I love Toronto.”HD
9:25 PM: The extent of Bussin’s defeat in Ward 32 is astonishing: with 37/38 polls reporting, she’s garnered 26% of the vote compared to McMahon’s 65%. HD
9:20 PM: From the Ford party: Smitherman’s concession speech is playing. Some boos and shouting when he referred to his son and husband.ES
9:18 PM: Food for thought, with 1,798 out of 1,870 polls reporting. Rob Ford = 47.39%. George Smitherman + Joe Pantalone = 47.07% DT
9:17 PM: Smitherman holding his son, husband by his side, just finished speaking. Emphasizes that the city needs a mayor who can pull together council. Overall his speech is generous and calm. HD
9:14 PM: The scene at Ford’s party tonight:
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Photos by Christopher Drost/Torontoist.


9:13 PM: The mood is dark at Hungarian House, where Jonah Schein’s loss to Cesar Palacio [for councillor in Ward 17]…and co-hosting incumbent Joe Mihevc’s win in neighbouring Ward 21 are all being overshadowed by Ford’s win. A roomful of scowling, older lefties just abandoned the TV, tuned to CP24, for the cash bar. Smiling Mihevc is reassuring supporters, a few at a time.ABB
9:10 PM: Smitherman thanking his “purple army,” and campaign manager Bruce Davis, who he calls “the guy with the hardest job in the world.” His voice is starting to waver a bit. “It is my duty to own up to the mistakes I have made, and to offer my heartfelt apologies,” to those who put their faith in him. HD

9:09 PM

Winner: Michelle Berardinetti (Councillor, Ward 35)

9:08 PM: Smitherman cracking jokes, “The people of Toronto have spoken, and they have sent a very clear message.” Has spoken with Ford and offered his congratulations. “As a Torontonian who loves my city, I hope for your success Rob. Toronto is too important…we love our city.” HD
9:07 PM: Smitherman about to give his concession speech. HD
9:06 PM: Matlow will replace outgoing councillor Michael Walker, and defeated Walker’s assistant, Chris Sellors, in this race. HD

9:06 PM

Winner: Josh Matlow (Councillor, Ward 22)

9:02 PM: Voter turnout, as predicted, has gone up since 2006. With 1,798/1,870 polls reporting, turnout is 47.45%, a significant increase from last election’s 39.3%. HD

9:01 PM

Winner: Mike Layton (Councillor, Ward 19)

8:59 PM: From the party of victorious Ward 29 candidate Mary Fragedakis: a jubilant Peter Tabuns tells us Mary earned every vote, calling the win a step forward for Toronto. DC

8:58 PM

Winner: Ana Bailão (Councillor, Ward 18)

8:57 PM: We endorsed Jonah Schein in Ward 17; he’s come in a strong (but not very close) second. HD

8:56 PM

Winner: Cesar Palacio (Councillor, Ward 17)
8:56 PM

Winner: Josh Colle (Councillor, Ward 15)
8:54 PM

Winner: Sarah Doucette (Councillor, Ward 13)

8:53 PM: Ward 10 is neck-and-neck(-and-neck-and-neck). Four leading candidates are right now within 120 votes of each other: James Pasternak, Nancy Oomen, Brian Shifman, and Igor Toutchinski. HD
8:52 PM: Other defeated incumbents: Ron Moeser, Adrian Heaps, Bill Saundercook.HD
8:48 PM: Emily Shepard is at Rob Ford’s victory party. She’s been asking his supporters if they were expecting tonight’s results. Answers: “Yes. People want a tide of change,” and “I was expecting him to win, but not by this much.” Next question: “why do you think the margin of votes was so big?” “People are fed up… I’m not saying he’s going to get better, but at least he’s going to keep honest.” ES
8:45 PM: The mood is sullen at Jane Pitfield’s headquarters, one of Fragedakis’s major opponents. Her campaign manager cites vote splitting [with third place contender Jennifer Wood] as one factor in the loss. DC

8:45 PM

Winner: Mary Fragedakis (Councillor, Ward 29)

8:43 PM: Defeated Ward 32 councillor Sandra Bussin, talking to CP24: “The electorate has spoken and I accept that…I will move on and wish Ms. McMahon all the best.”HD
8:43 PM: Di Ciano defeats incumbent Peter Milczyn HD

8:42 PM

Winner: Justin Di Ciano (Councillor, Ward 5)
8:36 PM

Winner: Gloria Lindsay Luby (Councillor, Ward 4)

8:35 PM: Paula Fletcher is in an unexpectedly tight race in Ward 30, with Liz West trailing her by only a few votes.HD
8:34 PM: Hundreds of people across the city are still in line waiting to vote, and expressing frustration that results have been released before they cast their ballots. HD
8:33 PM: CP24 just called Ward 26 for incumbent John Parker; Mohamed Dhanani finishes in an extremely surprising third.HD

8:32 PM

Winner: Doug Ford (Councillor, Ward 2)

8:32 PM: Council will now have two Fords: Rob as mayor, and brother Doug taking over Rob’s old council seat in Ward 2.HD
8:30 PM: McMahon defeats controversial incumbent Sandra Bussin. McMahon ran on a platform of environmentalism combined with fiscal restraint. HD

8:30 PM

Winner: Mary-Margaret McMahon (Councillor, Ward 32)
8:29 PM

Winner: Vincent Cistanti (Councillor, Ward 1)

8:28 PM: Multiple incumbents facing defeat tonight, including several upsets we didn’t see coming. HD
8:26 PM: Mohamed Dhanani in Ward 26, billed as a strong challenger to incumbent John Parker, is currently trailing badly. Shock at his campaign party. DC
8:21 PM: The huge room at the Rob Ford rally is almost empty, but the on-screen coverage has already called the election. Supporters are blowing gravy train whistles, but it’s actually subdued given what is happening on screen. ES
8:19 PM: So far, Rob Ford is so ahead—with 1,115 out of 1,870 polls reporting, he has 50.58% to Smitherman’s 32.46% and Joe Pantalone’s 10.92%—that even if every Joe Pantalone voter voted for Smitherman instead, Rob Ford would still be Toronto’s new mayor. DT
8:15 PM: Global News is also declaring Rob Ford the winner of the mayor’s seat. So has the CBC. DT
8:13 PM: And CP24 is also repeating that Adrian Heaps, Sandra Bussin, and Bill Saundercook—among other incumbents—have all been defeated. The full results, in every ward, are right here. DT
8:08 PM: CP24 has just called the election for Rob Ford. HD
8:06 PM: Results pouring in right away. Ford taking the early lead, with just under 10% of the vote counted. HD
8:00 PM: Polls…closed! (You can still vote if you’re in line though.) HD
7:54 PM: Because of the high turnout at some polling places, we may be getting results in a bit later than expected. So long as you’re in line by 8 p.m. you must be allowed to vote; polling places with lines at 8 p.m. will be closing up shop later so that everyone in line will get the chance to cast their ballots. HD
7:32 PM: All signs are pointing to growth in voter turnout compared to the last municipal election. In addition to an 82% increase at advance polls, we’re hearing reports of long lines and swamped polling stations across the city. No matter what else happens tonight, this is a development that has us heartily cheering. In 2006, 39.3% of eligible Torontonians cast ballots. HD
7:20 PM: In keeping with his gravy train–laden campaign rhetoric, if you go to Rob Ford’s election party tonight you’ll be getting a wooden train whistle as you come in the door. Question: if you toot toot, doesn’t that make you pro-train? HD

REPORTING BY: Andre Bovee-Begun (ABB), Dean Bradley (DB), Desmond Cole (DC), Hamutal Dotan (HD), Christopher Drost (CD), Andrew Louis (AL), Emily Shepard (ES), and David Topping (DT).

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  • http://undefined Rachel Lissner

    The server is down.

  • http://undefined Bleb

    In related news, the city will also be down for the next four years or so.

  • http://undefined Rachel Lissner

    Suggestion for new Torontoist contest: Write Toronto’s obituary.

  • http://undefined Matthew

    I suggest everybody flood the city with requests to remove dead trees and fix cracks in the sidewalk for the next four years, since I guess that is Ford’s specialty, and it’ll really give him a fair chance to shine.

  • Pailman

    He can fix all the cracks on the sidewalk, but he’ll never fix the crack in his fat ass. Yes, it was a cheap… crack at his expense.

  • http://undefined CaligulaJones

    Wow, bitter much?
    I hope all you hippies are wearing your bike helmets: those brains squirting out like spaghetti make up for a typically lame “zombie” walk this weekend….
    PS: You STILL aren’t getting it, are you? Maybe you should take Bussin out for a coffee and debrief her.

  • http://undefined Matthew

    If you want to get while the getting is good:
    http://mls.ca/splash.aspx

  • http://undefined Matthew

    How come the right wingers never use their real names? Afraid you might have to back up your bullshit in a real life conversation?

  • http://undefined EricSmith

    Good work, Smitherman! Had you campaigned a whole lot harder, you might’ve ended up mayor, but you avoided it by a wide margin!

  • http://undefined spacejack

    Well at least we know that Pantalone’s campaign didn’t prevent the not-Ford candidate from winning.

  • Miles Storey

    We definitely need a new city slogan competition at least.

  • http://undefined Andrew

    Well, Smitherman, what are you going to do now? Because your political career is over.

  • http://undefined EricSmith

    I didn’t mean to reply to Rachel Lissner, nor did I mean to imply that she was George Smitherman, Non-Mayor of Toronto.

  • http://undefined Nathan

    We survived Mel Lastman; we will survive this idiot.

  • http://undefined Usus

    Look again. Pantalone’s vote count is larger than the margin between Smitherman and Ford.

  • http://undefined spacejack

    True… maybe the leftists arrived fashionably late to the voting booths?

  • http://undefined Craig C

    It’s true, we will. Ford has already alienated city council enough that he probably won’t get anything done. This will just be four years of nothing unless genuine compromises can come from everyone.

  • http://www.delectablychic.com prosperewebitor

    Ford wins, huh? What’s wrong with this city, anyway? Looks like our taxes will go way up…and it isn’t to pay for services for the city, but for Ford’s services – his image and etiquette consultants!

  • http://undefined wchurchill100

    You lefties are funny. Smitherman lost because he said he was the “progressive” choice, and the vast majority of people in Toronto are fed up with “progressive” politicians.

  • http://undefined rich1299

    Boos and shouting from Ford supporters when Smitherman mentions his husband and son, who’d have thought it?

  • CanadianSkeezix

    Name-calling, esp. using 1960s terms like “hippies”, is always the sign of an astute and articulate political observer.

  • CanadianSkeezix

    You know, that is the most upsetting aspect of the whole night.

  • http://undefined Marc Lostracco

    At least now we’ll amass some good audio material over the next four years for some proper Mayor Cartman mashups.

  • http://undefined uskyscraper

    I’m picturing a future North American Mayor’s conference that goes something like this:
    “Oh hello Mayors Newsom, Adams, Villaraigosa… the seminar on Streetcars, Bicycle Lanes and Urban Development is down the hall to your right. Yes Mayor Bloomberg, you will be speaking at the Reforming City Schools panel discussion afterwards. Mayor Robertson, your keynote address on Property Tax Incentives for Sustainability is at 4:30 pm. No, Mayor Emmanuel, the Green Roof Heat Island Reduction presentation is not until this evening after the black tie dinner.
    Oh, Mayor Ford, hi. The children’s playroom is on the left, and we have left you a pile of red crayons and budget reports that you can draw angry faces on. Would you like some juice?”
    ————
    Look, I’m an ex-pat so this is all entertainment to me. But what have you people done to yourselves? Enjoy your Tea Party, Toronto.

  • http://undefined Rachel Lissner

    Really, did you talk to the vast majority and ask them how they really feel?
    I would disagree with your statement, starting with the fact that Smitherman’s and Pantalone’s combined total is more than Ford’s and that a significant part of the residents of Toronto can’t vote because they’re non-citizens.
    People who move to Toronto do so because they like the city. Rob Ford represents people who seem to dislike the city and have painted it as a place where various modes of transportation (bikes, streetcars, gravy train) run wild.

  • http://undefined rich1299

    But at least Lastman was determined to be the mayor for all Torontonians. Can you imagine Ford doing anything for any group or area that didn’t vote for him? Can you see Ford participating in the Pride parade and genuinely enjoying himself? I can’t see either of those with Ford. I disagreed with Lastman on many things and found him to often be embarrassing but he genuinely cared for this city, all of it, not just North York and all of its citizens too. Can you imagine Ford doing anything that downtowners might want done, like say bike lanes downtown or infrastructure improvements? I don’t see it happening unless council goes against Ford. Plus with no funding for Pride, Caribana, Illuminato, and Nuit Blanche there will much less money coming into the city, especially the downtown area, Lastman at least knew the difference between an investment and a handout, to Ford its all just spending to be cut regardless of the consequences

  • http://undefined CaligulaJones

    Splat! Splat! Splat! More energetic cranial disassembly…keep it up!
    Sorry, but name calling is ok now, you see.
    Mayor Cartman? Child Mayor? Chris Farley? Flounder? Various variations of “fat”.
    Yep, real high ground there you’re trying to pretend you’re on.
    Splat! Splat! Splat!

  • http://undefined Paul

    I’ll be very curious to see the breakdown of council. That’s kind of the most important piece right now, do we have a council that will work with Ford or against him?

  • http://undefined rich1299

    I was thinking the exact same thing, well maybe this will be a learning time for the citizens of Toronto who voted for Ford, you can’t have a great city if you don’t invest in it.

  • http://undefined CanadianSkeezix

    What? Are you high?

  • http://undefined snailspace

    This.
    Coincidentally, the EU passport application arrived today, and there’s a VM from my realtor asking whether I really am serious about leasing my house out for 4 years.
    Well, yes, now I am serious.
    Good luck, Toronto. Call me when you grow up.

  • wchurchill100

    Haha. You’re a funny socialist Rachel. You do realize that the second choice of many Smitherman supporters would not have been Pantalone.
    Like I said years ago:
    young conservative = no heart
    old liberal = no brains.
    I hope you’re young.

  • http://undefined CaligulaJones

    Yep, but its all natural. Kind of a second Thanksgiving. I mean, if you don’t see that both sides are name calling, you’re pretty high yourself.
    We’ve seen pretty much every cliche you can imagine already, within a few hours. People adding up Pantalone and Smitherman’s totals, as if that means anything, people saying they’re going to leave Toronto (much like the Americans who said they’d leave if Bush won, they’re lying). Hell, I’m sure the conspiranoics will be out soon as well.
    Splat! Splat! Splat! Love those exploding hippy heads, and so close to Halloween, too!

  • http://paul.kishimoto.name Paul Kishimoto
  • http://undefined Moonmoth

    Notice how everyone in those Ford victory pictures is at least 30 lbs overweight.
    Fattybombatty Slob Ford for #mayordoubledown.

  • http://paul.kishimoto.name Paul Kishimoto

    Dear Torontoist,
    Please continue being awesome for at least the next four years. The city will need you.

  • http://undefined Rachel Lissner

    Paul to the rescue!
    wchurchill100, you misunderstood what I said in response to your statement. My point is that a significant percentage of the city cannot vote and the majority of those that did vote chose to vote against Ford. He didn’t even hit 50%.

  • http://flickr.com/aged_accozzaglia accozzaglia

    I think what’s really awesome is how Torontoist’s coverage above of the election returns occurred everywhere other than where the Torontoist election return gathering at Cadillac Lounge was supposed to aggregate.
    You guys are a grand disappointment, but I enjoyed their sweet potato fries.

  • http://undefined CaligulaJones

    Neither did Miller the first time.
    Did you have a point?

  • http://undefined Rachel Lissner

    My point is fairly straightforward, but if I have to repeat myself, a significant percentage of people in Toronto can’t vote. They may not be citizens of Canada, but they are certainly citizens of Toronto.
    What upsets me, CaligulaJones, is that you can vote and say incoherent and silly comments on Torontoist, and as a non-citizen, I have to accept that your vote affects my daily life in Toronto and defend myself from your pointless retorts.

  • http://undefined thickslab

    Look again. You can’t add.

  • http://flickr.com/aged_accozzaglia accozzaglia

    You know, Moonmoth, you’re out of line. I don’t even care for Flounder, but playing the weight card is out of line. I’m overweight after spending three-quarters of my life very underweight. I ride a bike and have for thirty-three years (I’m still very much in my thirties) — hell, I was a courier for four years ending 2010 — and it doesn’t really matter: I’m still heavy now. I’m quite healthy and happy with being a bit heavier for once — which is quite the contrary to most of my friends growing up who obsessed over losing weight through fingers, soft palate, and gag reflexes.
    In short, dis on Flounder’s fellow bottom-feeders and frat boys for what they do — not for how their body appears. Unless, that is, you know each person’s weight back-story — in which case, pound away on their fat.

  • http://flickr.com/aged_accozzaglia accozzaglia

    Alas, the new city council has swung rightward. This actually worries me a lot more than Flounder spending most of his time derailing gravy supplies, because council in a political mix similar to the existing group was supposed to be the check and balance to his far-flung agenda.
    Frankly, the new council composition is where the real story is right now. Flounder is a dog-and-pony show.

  • http://flickr.com/aged_accozzaglia accozzaglia

    This is quite the case. I find it mildly amusing, but it wouldn’t be a stunner to hear that he takes on a key role in an organization like the Toronto Board of Trade or similar, only to try again for another public office later.

  • http://undefined Astin

    So, come next election, is turnout even higher to vote this clown out, or back to normal because everyone who came out against Ford is still in shock and disappointed?
    Ford’s got one vote. If he doesn’t learn to compromise and play nice with others, it will be 4 years of nothing productive being done.

  • CanadianSkeezix

    Because you don’t like comments that you see elsewhere, you think this necessitates making your own adolescent comments? You have become the person that you are ridiculing.

  • http://undefined Usus

    With 99.9% of the votes in, Ford leads Smitherman by 93,121, and Pantalone’s total is 95,340. The lead is calculated by subtraction, not by addition. That’s probably where you went wrong.

  • http://undefined Moonmoth

    All I’m saying is that Rob Ford is FAT. And from those victory photos, his supporters appear to be that way was well. It’s not surprising because:
    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/82-620-m/2005001/article/adults-adultes/8060-eng.htm#1
    Ford can use this to his advantage. There is a way to resolve Toronto’s financial woes by exploiting fatness. Anyone with more than 40% body fat should be taxed. Fat people use more resources, so they should be taxed for it. Thyroid imbalances are exempt. I’m talking lifestyle choices only here. Rob Ford clearly and systematically disrespects his own body, by logical extension there’s is nothing to stop him disrespecting the city as well. Might as well make use of his most obvious trait to build those subways.

  • http://undefined Moonmoth

    Astin, its naive to think that the mayor of Toronto doesn’t have power. Slob is going to stack the committees with aligned councillors. He’ll abolish the pedestrian & bike committees (clearly he’s got no use for those, as if Blob’s ever biked, walked or taken the TTC anywhere). I’m personally very afraid of what’s going to happen to the TTC, and not to mention municipal politics are complex. The very last thing this city needed was a simplistic, facile buffoon running the show.

  • http://flickr.com/aged_accozzaglia accozzaglia

    No, and I quote you, “Notice how everyone in those Ford victory pictures is at least 30 lbs overweight.” Don’t cite StatsCan to defend your case unless you’re an epidemiologist, urban demographer, or planner with a clear path of comprehension behind the attendant factors leading to these statistics. Unless you can address the causative questions face-on, then all you’re doing is using correlation to rationalize a very shaky case.
    Further, you’re contributing to a greater problem by playing the “fat the tax” rhetoric. This discussion thread is done.

  • http://undefined Moonmoth

    Pffft – doesn’t change the fact that #SlobFord and his supporters are fat. This election wasn’t’ suburban vs. urban, or elites vs. everyman, or taxpayers vs. citizens it was unhealthy vs healthy and unhealthy won.

  • http://flickr.com/aged_accozzaglia accozzaglia

    And some were indisputably skinny. I saw them with my own eyes yesterday. It’s time for you to take a time-out until you think about what this discussion is getting at.

  • http://undefined wchurchill100

    Hey, things have been a little busy up here in heaven, and I’ve been busy commenting on other elections around the world.
    Anyhow. Paul: since this quote was attributable to me, I knew very well that I had not said this exact quote during my lifetime, but I certain said many things along a similar vein. The fact remains that in any society, many people have fairly liberal views in their youth, but most become more conservative in their views as they gain more experience and become wiser.
    I do believe Smitherman miscalculated by positioning himself as a left of center option when the majority (and yes 47% in a field of 50 candidates is in practical terms a landslide) were fed up with eight years of David Miller and wanted a right of center candidate. The best candidate (though not in the view of the writers here) did not run at all.
    And to those who are upset… this is a democracy. When democracy lead to David (dumbest Harvard Lawy grad ever) Miller winning, the left wingers were pleased with the democratic process. Now that a right wing candidate has won, someone the process if flawed. And Paul: I did say the speaking to an average voter is the best case against democracy. Yet democracy is still the best alternative.

  • http://undefined dowlingm

    I’d really like to see results embargoed for 30-60 minutes in future. It’s pretty offensive that CityTV and others get to “call the election” while people (who were in line at 20.00) could be still voting.