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G20 Live: Saturday

This weekend, Torontoist is covering the G20 summit live, all day and all night, both from the streets and from the inside. Updates—from our reporters, photographers, and readers—are in reverse-chronological order below. Our full G20 coverage is collected here; you can also follow us on Twitter.

Toronto Fire extinguish a police car set on fire by protesters. Torontoist’s videos from the scene, shot by Ryan Walker, are here. Photo by Christopher Drost/Torontoist.


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6:16 AM: Just published: a collection of photos of a chaotic Saturday on the streets of Toronto, with some of the best shots from Torontoist’s photographers (and a few of our readers as well). Three of those photos:

Top photo by salty_soul from the Torontoist Flickr Pool; middle photo by Remi Carreiro/Torontoist; bottom photo by Ryan Walker/Torontoist.

The full set of sixty-two photos, presented as a timeline, is here. Torontoist’s live coverage will resume again here in a few hours. DT
4:57 AM: Christopher Drost sends these photos, of arrested protesters outside of Eastern Avenue’s temporary detention centre being put into the back of a police van:
The photos were taken after 3 a.m. this Sunday morning. DT

2:42 AM: Our live coverage for today is winding down, as you can no doubt tell if you’ve been following us since this morning. At Eastern Avenue, outside the temporary detention centre, some protesters are now being arrested, reported Sarah Barmak moments ago; our Chris Drost and Chris Bird, also on the scene now, are confirming that arrests are being made.
We’re also currently putting together a gallery of as-yet unpublished photos from Torontoist’s photographers and readers, from Saturday. When it’s online, we’ll link to it here. DT
1:53 AM: From Eastern Avenue, we’re receiving reports that Jesse Rosenfeld‘s parents and girlfriend are with other protesters outside of the temporary detention centre on Eastern Avenue. Protesters are right now outnumbered three to one, reporter Sarah Barmak is tweeting from the site. Earlier, there was dancing. DT
1:14 AM: Just circled Queen’s Park, both north and south, and it’s deserted. No cops at all, and no people except for two guys smoking on a park bench. Oddly, no litter at all. It’s like today never happened. (Although there is some horse poop.) ES
1:01 AM: As best as we can tell, the city is quieting down again. An hour ago, Kelli Korducki, at Queen and Augusta, reported back to us about a “gigantic bloc of riot cops…with no protesters.” At 12:51 a.m., John Semley spotted “no fewer than thirty bike cops at Augusta and Dundas, apparently waiting for some group coming down Spadina.” Over at the temporary detention centre on Eastern Avenue, meanwhile, it’s “protesters protesters protesters,” tweets NOW. DT
12:07 AM: We’ve learned that the reporter arrested at the Novotel Hotel earlier tonight, who Steve Paikin claims he saw “assaulted,” is Jesse Rosenfeld. Rosenfeld is a Guardian freelancer, on assignment with the U.K. paper; on Friday, he filed “Rejecting G20′s consensus of the few” for the paper. DT
11:59 PM: Steve Paikin, host of The Agenda on TVO, was at the demonstration at the Esplanade earlier, and says he witnessed a “totally unneccessary” assault by police, on a reporter claiming to be with The Guardian. Right now he is tweeting @spaikin. Some of those tweets:

i saw police brutality tonight. it was unnecessary. they asked me to leave the site or they would arrest me. i told them i was dong my job. they repeated they would arrest me if i didn’t leave. as i was escorted away from the demonstration, i saw two officers hold a journalist. the journalist identified himself as working for “the guardian.” he talked too much and pissed the police off. two officers held him…. a third punched him in the stomach. totally unnecessary. the man collapsed. then the third officer drove his elbow into the man’s back. no cameras recorded the assault. and it was an assault. the officer who escorted me away from the demo said, “yeah, that shouldn’t have happened.” he is correct. there was no cause for it.
i can appreciate that the police were on edge today, after seeing four or five of their cruisers burned. but why such overreaction tonight? the demonstration on the esplanade was peaceful. it was like an old sit in. no one was aggressive. and yet riot squad officers moved in. police on one side screamed at the crowd to leave one way. then police on the other side said leave the other way. there was no way out. so the police just started arresting people. i stress, this was a peaceful, middle class, diverse crowd. no anarchists literally more than 100 officers with guns pointing at the crowd. rubber bullets and smoke bombs ready to be fired. rubber bullets fired i was “escorted” away by police so couldn’t see how many arrested, but it must have been dozens.
we must make a distinction between the “thugs” who broke store windows and torched cop cars and the very reasonable citizens who .just wanted to remind the authorities that the freedom to speak and assemble shouldn’t disappear because world leaders come to town.

Individual tweets within the space of a paragraph above are demarcated with a symbol. DT
11:34 PM: Protesters outside the Novotel Hotel on the Esplanade are being arrested en masse, according to the Globe‘s Anna Mehler Paperny. Global’s Mark McAllister tweeted that police are trying to break the protest up. DT
11:31 PM: One more update [from Queen Street West]: the police, with a small mounted regimen, are moving west on queen. Beyond Cameron. Wondering how far west this will go? KK
11:27 PM: It seems that the Eternal Flame of Hope being extinguished was an omen, after all. DT
11:16 PM: Biking through Allan Gardens—nothing left of the tent city except wet banners and overflowing garbage bags. ES
11:11 PM: Deborah Mensah-Bonsu sends this report from Queen Street West, where she was earlier this evening (and left at 10 p.m.):
“It started with a police car on fire on Queen Street near Spadina. I got there at about 8:30 p.m. At first there were no police anywhere in sight, but a large crowd assembled, and it didn’t take too long for the police dressed in riot gear to show up.”

A police car burns in the foreground, while police in riot gear stand in the background. Photo by Deborah Mensah-Bonsu/Torontoist.

Police, she reports, “began pushing the crowd east on foot, and were then joined by police on horses. These charged the crowd at intervals and everyone started running. Some people were hit with batons. Protesters were throwing things like water bottles and rocks at police, as well as breaking windows. The entire front of the Starbucks at Queen and John Streets was smashed, and a few people went inside to do more damage and steal water bottles. More riot police began advancing from Richmond Street, and the cops on Queen continued to push the crowd east.”
Kelli Korducki, at Queen and Cameron now, says that “not too many people [are] left…apart from agitated row of riot cops.” Police, she says, are “beginning to slouch at Cameron. One gives the order to ‘Hold this line’….no-one anticipated that this would go west of Spadina, but those predictions appear already to be proven wrong.” DT
11:10 PM: The Post, meanwhile, is reporting that two of their photographers were arrested today. DT
10:56 PM: TTC Chair Adam Giambrone tweets that the “subway and all transit south of the [Bloor–Danforth] line will remain closed tonight and reopen @ 9am” on Sunday. Shuttle buses on Parliament and Bathurst are still running, and are still free. DT
10:51 PM: Line of riot cops on Queen continues pushing westward against increasingly agitated crowd. “Disperse or you will be arrested,” shout cops. Arrests now happening at Cameron and Queen. KK
10:31 PM: Torontoist’s Kelli Korducki reports: “Riot cops at Cameron and Queen, west of Spadina for the first time today. Crowd chanting before them.”
Meanwhile, in Yorkville, a report from reader Stephen Otto, who was “having a drink at the Hazelton” patio at 9:45 p.m. “Police officers,” he says, “came along Yorkville [patios] asking patrons to please move inside or make their ways out of the area in the event, as seemed possible, that protesters would choose to march that way…after the warning [I] had the chance to pay my bill and scram, so took it.” DT
10:16 PM: According to the Integrated Security Unit, the total number of G20-related arrests as of 9:30 p.m. tonight is 130. DT
9:45 PM: When the first police car was set on fire in the midst of protests at King and Bay at 3:45 p.m. today, Torontoist’s Ryan Walker was there. He shot two videos.
The first is of the scene after the fire started:

And the second was taken just east, at King and Yonge, with the fire burning in the distance and police in formation:

Walker’s photos from today, along with others from Torontoist photographers, are coming soon. DT
9:44 PM: Openings and closures: Bloor Station now fully reopened, the Metro-Central YMCA announces it will be closed tomorrow. HD
9:41 PM: Tensions are apparently flaring on Queen near John, says Deborah Mensah-Bonsu. At about 9:35 p.m. mounted officers charged the crowd and people started running. HD
9:27 PM: Bill Blair is currently updating the media on police activities. “Saturday has proven to be a difficult day,” he said, “and it remains a challenge tonight and tomorrow.” A total of seventy-five people have been apprehended so far and are being held in detention facilities. Blair confirmed that tear gas has been used but did not confirm the use of rubber bullets, despite numerous reports that these had been fired. He also blamed the Black Bloc for escalating protests to the point of violence, and estimated the total number of violent protesters to be between twelve and fifteen hundred. “We have never seen this wanton destruction,” Blair said, his tone firm and even angry. CB & CD.
9:24 PM: Bloor Station has partially reopened. HD
8:54 PM: The TTC has just closed down Bloor Station due to security concerns. HD
8:47 PM: Wyndham Bettencourt-McCarthy is reporting that Queen’s Park north has now been reopened. 680News, meanwhile, has spotted protesters heading east on Bloor near the ROM. HD
8:37 PM: Protesting can be joyous, too. For many people and much of the day, it has been:

Top and bottom photos by saBEEshots; middle photo by Greengrrl313, all from the Torontoist Flickr Pool.

We’ll continue updating from Queen’s Park and elsewhere as events unfold. HD
8:23 PM: At Queen’s Park South at around 6:45, the mood was calm, and police were standing in two lines, not interacting with protesters. Then at around 7:20, without warning, some police broke apart from the lines and ran north into the crowd on foot at seemingly random intervals, some grabbing individual protesters and dragging them back behind police barricades (where I couldn’t see them). Police hit some of the protesters that they grabbed with batons, and other police officers kept advancing towards the crowd and pushing it further north towards the Legislature Building.
Five minutes after first rushing the crowd and having already removed some protesters, a few groups of police ran forward with batons, and began hitting some protesters. Several unarmed men were beaten to the ground as they curled into the fetal positions—some were crying—while some of those onlookers who begged police to stop were hit with batons themselves. While quickly running away from police seconds after I saw the men on the ground, a male officer who I had my back to hit me in the side with a baton, above my hip. A medic from a volunteer group stopped to make sure I was alright after the police stopped advancing; others were far more in need of medical care. As I was leaving into the north half of Queen’s Park, the police rushed into the crowd again, and pushed protesters to the north side of the legislative building. WBM

Wyndham Bettencourt-McCarthy’s bruise, about an hour after she was hit by a police officer with a baton. Photo by Ryan Walker/Torontoist.

8:15 PM: We are hearing scattered reports from our readers about pepper spray in Queen’s Park and an escalation on Queen Street West. HD
7:39 PM: Some police officers have their batons out now at Queen’s Park, says Wyndham Bettencourt-McCarthy. At least a few protesters have been hit. HD
7:24 PM: Wyndham Bettencourt-McCarthy is among the protesters at Queen’s Park. Police have started charging the crowd, and are dragging some protesters off the scene. HD
7:21 PM: Those TTC shuttles we mentioned earlier? They are free. Ride in peace. HD
7:13 PM: Earlier today, protesters smashed windows and threw feces into the American Apparel store at Yonge and Dundas:

Photo by an American Apparel employee from inside the store at Yonge and Dundas.

We’ll have additional photos of damage later this evening. HD
7:17 PM: At the McDonald’s at Yonge and College, an elderly person marvels: “Usually the washrooms are loaded with bums. Today, it is cops.” KK
7:05 PM: More news from the fence: tensions are growing a bit, and a small but growing contingent of protesters has been asked to head north by the police, says Deborah Mensah-Bonsu. HD
6:51 PM: Horses charged the crowd [at Queen's Park]. Lots of wild running. Probably more people getting hurt from the stampedes than anything else. AL
6:43 PM: One of our readers just sent images of another police cruiser on fire, this one on Queen near Spadina:


Photos by David G. Tran.

6:31 PM: If you’re just joining us, the hot spots right now are Queen Street between University and Spadina, and Queen’s Park. HD
6:26 PM: Deborah Mensah-Bonsu is down near the security perimeter, where so far things are quiet and calm. At York and Wellington right now, she says, it is “just pedestrians walking around, one guy with a boom box, and a few dudes dancing to rock tunes.” HD
6:21 PM: An update from the TTC: shuttle buses are now running from Bathurst Station to Front Street, and Parliament buses are running between Castle Frank Station and Front Street. HD
6:13 PM: One of our photographers, Andrew Louis, is at Queen’s Park. He is reporting that rocks are being thrown, and clouds of smoke are popping up. Unclear if these are tear gas, flares, or something else.
5:53 PM: “Toronto is exceptionally safe,” reiterates Miller. He advises people to exercise care downtown, but also points out that our neighbourhoods are full of people celebrating World Cup games and going about their ordinary lives. HD
5:43 PM: Mayor Miller’s just finishing a press conference, expressing anger at what is happening in Toronto today. He’s asking everyone to stay calm, and is outraged that a small group of more violent protesters is hijacking the more peaceable protests of the majority. Said the mayor: “People have a right to freedom of speech. The sad fact is that there are some groups—they call themselves anarchists though I don’t know why, I think criminals would be a better term—who are using this…I don’t think you can blame organisers of a legitimate protest for any of that.”
When asked by a reporter to comment on the sense some people have that the police have been heavy-handed, Miller responded with a strong defence of Bill Blair and the TPS: “I think we should be very proud of the Toronto Police Service. I think they do a commendable job. These are difficult circumstances.” HD
5:41 PM: Two reports filed earlier today in our G20 Dispatches series, by Christopher Bird and Christopher Drost: the first‘s about Jack Layton, who we ran into in the International Media Centre washroom; the second is about how true stories (whether they’re about protesters or police) get turned into something less than truthful. DT
5:37 PM: Toronto Police Sergeant Tim Burrows has confirmed to 680News that despite wide reports to the contrary, no firearms, pepper spray, tear gas, and rubber bullets have been used thus far. HD
5:33 PM: A representative from Mt. Sinai hospital is just updating CBC Radio on injuries. The hospital is under lockdown, but is allowing patients to enter. So far four protest-related injuries, all minor. HD
5:15 PM: Torontoist’s Nick Kozak files these photos, shot between 1:51 and 3:43 p.m. today, of some less intense moments in today’s protest:


More photos, by Torontoist’s photographers, are coming soon. DT
5:09 PM: The Star is reporting that a few shots were fired at College and University. Toronto Police Services is now saying that earlier reports of tear gas being deployed were mistaken. HD
5:03 PM: CP24 and CityNews are confirming that tear gas has been released at College and University. HD
5:01 PM: Christopher Bird and Deborah Mensah-Bonsu are both reporting from King and Bay. There is a crowd of what looks like at least fifteen hundred. Classic protest chants, so far peaceful. HD
4:52 PM: Hundreds of protesters at Yonge and Adelaide shouting “let us walk” and (at police) “Who do you serve? Who do you protect?” Many of them are now heading west on Adelaide. DMB
4:37 PM: And because there is actually a summit going on right now, at which people are discussing important issues and making important policy decisions, here’s an interesting way to check up on the progress made at the G20 summit itself: the G8 Research Group at the University of Toronto has a blog. On the blog: a compliance department that is scoring the various leaders’ commitments in real time, as well as a group of civil society analysts looking at protests and interviewing different NGOs.HD
4:36 PM: So, despite a few flare-ups, so far the protests have overall been peaceful, and the police have overall been restrained. Toronto is, despite a few unfortunate exceptions, hanging in there. HD
4:23 PM: Riot police are getting out of vans and forming a line on King between University and York. DMB
4:21 PM: The Eaton Centre is now on lockdown. Hearing reports than nobody is being let in or out. HD
4:13 PM: There’s a group of protesters at Bay and Adelaide, chants of “no justice, no peace.” Cops now hammering their shields. CB
3:55 PM: Police cruiser on fire at Bay and King. HD


Police cruiser on fire at King and Bay. Photos by Ryan Walker/Torontoist.

3:49 PM: Christopher Bird is reporting that people now sitting a few feet in front of the cops at Richmond and University. Protesters aren’t chanting, it doesn’t seem to be an organized group, but gradually more are showing up. Police are looking increasingly tense. HD
3:46 PM: The scene on Queen just east of Spadina a few minutes ago:

Photo by Emily Shepard/Torontoist.

3:43 PM: Meanwhile, things are considerable quieter at Queen’s Park. “The worst party in the world,” says Peter Saltsman. “Even the cops are leaving.” HD
3:42 PM: Fifty to one hundred protesters are standing in a line right now straddling University south of Queen, about twenty feet away from the cops. Some more damage: a CBC truck, a CIBC branch. CB
3:31 PM: Scotiabank at Queen and Duncan smashed up. Some overturned mailboxes. Cops still acting with restraint, providing exits to protesters who want to leave. CB
3:22 PM: Blockade on Queen is steadily retreating east, the police seem to be trying to give the protesters breathing room to tire themselves out. Blockade on John holding firm; one officer has a tear gas launcher at the ready. All the cops at the intersection have donned their gas masks. CB
3:18 PM: Protesters are steadily advancing against a police blockade at Queen and Peter. Protesters now attempting to smash storefronts. CB
3:15 PM: Windows on police cars smashed. Cops aren’t moving and are acting with restraint. CB
3:12 PM: Violence is flaring now: a few physical attacks on cops, some bottles thrown. Queen and Peter. CB
3:10 PM: The cops on scene now are saying they didn’t deploy any devices at all—it was the protesters who set off flares. CB
3:07 PM: There is currently a white cloud hovering near Queen and Spadina. Though many people jumped to the conclusion that it was teargas, right now the CBC is reporting that the police have fired off flares. HD
3:36 PM: The scene at City Hall a couple of hours ago:

Mounted police near City Hall, 1:13 p.m. Photo by Ryan Walker/Torontoist.

2:54 PM: Christopher Bird is at Queen and John, right outside the MuchMusic building. A row of people with the Canadian Labour Congress is standing between the protesters and the cops, encouraging people to keep on moving, and generally trying to maintain order. They are getting yelled at by protesters for taking away their rights to protest. Which, given that the Labour Congress contingent is trying to act as a shield for the protesters, is perhaps somewhat ironic. HD
2:48 PM: The protesters trying to move down John Street have been stopped and police have taken the signs and banners they were trying to use as weapons. A small army of riot police has amassed at John and Richmond. SM

Spadina and Richmond around 2:45 p.m. Photo by Emily Shepard/Torontoist.

2:44 PM: Also at Queen and University, a nearly naked man scaling the war memorial statue in the centre median:

Photo by Christopher Drost/Torontoist.

Nearly Naked Man’s objectives are thus far unknown, reports Christopher Bird. HD
2:41 PM: Despite the strong shows of police force, so far it seems that things are staying calm. Wyndham Bettencourt-McCarthy reports that the protest is now winding down at Queen and University—there have been no visible clashes or arrests thus far. HD
2:34 PM: Stephen Michalowicz is reporting from the intersection of John and Richmond that police just donned gas masks and what looks like tear gas guns to confront the protesters that are trying to
charge down John Street. Similarly, Deborah Mensah-Bonsu is seeing riot cops at every intersection looking south from Queen. HD
2:32 PM: GO service to Union Station has now also been suspended. HD
2:29 PM: If you are thinking of heading downtown, be advised that the subway is no longer running on the Yonge-University-Spadina line between St. George and Bloor stations (so the entire downtown loop). The TTC is also saying that streetcars are not entering the downtown core.HD
2:07 PM: Kelli Korducki, who was at yesterday’s Ontario Coalition Against Poverty protest, reports from today’s (larger) protest, currently on the move: “Much better communication between police and organizers today. Am seeing much better cooperation than there had been yesterday. It also helps that the riot cops are less visible. They’re still all over, but keeping some distance.”
Emily Shepard, at Queen and Simcoe, sends this photo of riot cops (though it does not, unfortunately, include a photo of the person who moments ago mooned them):

Photo by Emily Shepard/Torontoist.

Our minute-to-minute coverage is collected over on our Twitter. DT
1:46 PM: One of the big stories so far today has been the overnight raid by police of a house where some protest organizers were staying. The Globe is reporting that police arrested several people staying at 114 Westmoreland Avenue. Some protesters who were also at the house but not arrested spoke to the National Post from Allan Gardens; they claim that the police failed to properly show a warrant, and that the arrests are illegal. HD
1:41 PM: During this afternoon’s protest, which is now starting and which is expected to attempt to head towards the security fence, we’ll be posting minor, minute-by-minute updates to our Twitter; major updates and photos will be here, in this post. DT
1:34 PM: What’s going on right now, according to Torontoist reporters on the ground across downtown:
Kelli Korducki, with the mass of protesters at Queen’s Park, says: “Samba Squad is playing in Oxfam group and people seem more positive than yesterday despite rain.” There are “more children visible today, notably among pro-Tibet and Uyghur protest groups.” Stephen Michalowicz is reporting that cops “have started clearing people off University and onto the sidewalk as the protesters begin to march.”
Deborah Mensah-Bonsu, at University and King, at the fence some protesters are planning to march towards, reports that it’s a “literal ghost town. A few pedestrians, some taking photos of the fence and the non-action, lots of security standing around in groups.” Two “massive military helicopters flew overhead—apparently Obama’s; they’re sending five or six, and he’s in one of them.”
Wyndham Bettencourt-McCarthy, at Queen and University, reports: “plenty of police but not a protester in sight. When I asked police what they’ll do if the protest splinters south towards the security zone, they told me it was the first they had heard of it and asked where I got the info. Seemed genuinely shocked! One cop said with certainty, ‘I can assure you they will not be going south.’”
Suzannah Showler sends this update from outside the temporary detention centre on Eastern Avenue: “Nada at Eastern—security is hanging out, reading Metro, etc. Nary a protester. One officer just joked to me: ‘See, we’re ready for ya.’ Cops also teased me for jay-walking. They’re obviously bored.”
Peter Saltsman, at Union Station, reports there are more cops than passengers. “Most of them discussing lunch.” DT
12:54 PM: Around downtown, protesters are collecting, and starting to make their way to Queen’s Park, and to University. Christopher Drost sends these photos from forty-five minutes ago, of a smaller group at Bloor and Spadina:

Photos by Christopher Drost/Torontoist.

Our Stephen Michalowicz spotted one group, protesting “crimes against humanity in the Ethiopian region of Ogaden,” on their way down University at 12:35 p.m.—police, then, were keeping them on the sidewalk. DT
12:30 PM: There is a deceptively light police presence on University Avenue between College Street and Queen Street West. Hundreds of police officers are keeping dry in nearby buildings and in their SUVs and minivans. SM
12:25 PM: A few hundred at the Greenpeace building at 33 Cecil building. Handing out disposable ponchos. OH THE IRONY. ES
12:18 PM: One small but notable mistake, which we’ve corrected in previous updates: the name of the deaf protester arrested yesterday and being detained at 629 Eastern, according to the Star, is Emomotimi Azorbo; we’d been spelling his first name “Mototimi.” DT
12:05 PM: And the Globe and Mail is reporting that there have been thirty-two arrests so far, with fifty-one charges—though for most of them, police have released no details, which has led Globe reporter Siri Agrell to question the lack of transparency. DT
11:44 AM: Via the Star, an excellent tip sheet put together by journalists Jim Rankin and Stuart Laidlaw, to “Surviving the G8/G20 Protests.” Explicitly for media, it’s useful for just about anyone. DT
11:39 AM: 680News is reporting that the G8 in Huntsville has “wrapped up”; world leaders will be on their way into Toronto shortly. The Globe (with whom we are partners) have more from Huntsville on their G8/G20 page. DT
11:07 AM: Emily Shepard files this report from “Shout Out for Global Justice!”, held last night at Massey Hall. DT
11:04 AM: The Star profiles today’s protest, which starts at 1 p.m. at Queen’s Park, and is expected to be the largest demonstration of the weekend. DT
10:57 AM: On a rooftop near the Don Valley Parkway, near Queen Street East, a group attempted to stage a protest of the now-infamous G20 airspace restrictions, which include a ban on kite flying within fifteen nautical miles (or about twenty-eight kilometers) of the Summit. The plan was to fly kites within view of the highway, and, presumably, the authorities.
Chris Chopik, the ringleader, whose office is in the building where the protest was set to take place, told us he hadn’t planned on protesting until he heard about the kite ban. “It’s one thing not to be able to wear a suit downtown,” he said. “But to have a fifty kilometer no-fly zone around the summit…” He gesticulated with his kite, which was plastic, with a picture of a salamander. “It shows a lack of sensitivity to the populace.”
This morning’s rain had kept turnout low. There were two protestors on the roof: Chopik and his publicist. There were also two photographers, two reporters (including us), and a Rogers satellite truck parked by the DVP, recording video. SK
10:25 AM: Here’s video from last night between 9 and 10 p.m., outside the temporary detention centre at 628 Eastern Avenue where Emomotimi (“Timmy”) Azorbo, a deaf man, was held after being arrested. In the first half of the video, shot by Christopher Drost, York University grad student (and friend of Azorbo’s) Saron Gebresellasi tells cameras about the “very specific, special, precarious position” that Azorbo is in. In the second half, we talk to Doug Pflug, a Guelph media relations officer—one of the many media relations officers brought in by the ISU—and another officer.

Christopher Bird’s article last night has more information about the arrest and peaceful protest that resulted from it. DT
9:53 AM: One last photo from yesterday’s OCAP protest that we can’t not share, by Harry Choi, of riot cops facing down protesters at University and Elm. DT

9:32 AM: Just published, Chris Drost and Chris Bird’s short piece about how gross the International Media Centre is getting, as a result of the journalists there. DT
8:49 AM: Published late last night on Torontoist was “Full of Sound and Fury,” a look at yesterday’s protests—including the one that saw protesters outside of the temporary detention centre near Filmport before midnight, demanding that Emomotimi Azorbo, a deaf protester arrested on Friday, be given access to a lawyer and an interpreter.

Protesters outside of 629 Eastern Avenue on Friday night. Photos by Christopher Drost/Torontoist.

The article—written by Torontoist’s Christopher Bird, with photography by Christopher Drost—is here. DT
8:40 AM: Torontoist’s Ryan Walker was in the midst of Friday’s Ontario Coalition Against Poverty protest at its climax:

Photo by Ryan Walker/Torontoist.

A full gallery of a dozen photos from him are here. DT
8:01 AM: From yesterday’s OCAP protest, Torontoist’s Nancy Paiva files these photos:

Photos by Nancy Paiva/Torontoist.

REPORTING BY: David Topping (DT), Hamutal Dotan (HD), Christopher Bird (CB), Christopher Drost (CD), Nancy Paiva (NP), Ryan Walker (RW), Emily Shepard (ES), Stephen Michalowicz (SM), Suzannah Showler (SS), Kelli Korducki (KK), Deborah Mensah-Bonsu (DMB), Peter Saltsman (PS), Wyndham Bettencourt-McCarthy (WBM), Andrew Louis (AL), and Steve Kupferman (SK).


  • Miles Storey

    It was only yesterday that I was joking with a business owner at Richmond/Spadina that he should have boarded up his windows. Hopefully he’s ok.

  • accozzaglia

    Bloody hell, people.
    Dear Anarchists,
    Please grow up, or just save us the trouble and go do something productive — say, go die in a fire.
    With much love and cupcakes,

  • http://undefined snailspace

    Dear Anarchists.
    You’re all douchebags. Go fuck yourselves.

  • eller

    I wonder what the percentage of the rioters actually vote, write letters to the government and pay taxes?

  • http://undefined davedave

    They aren’t anarchists.
    They’re as*hole guys in their early 20′s who just think it’s awesome to break things.
    It’s like the post Laker NBA riots.
    Pointless, clueless.
    I wish the crowd would turn on them and punch their douchebag faces in.
    It’s easy to spot them – they cover their faces with bandanas.

  • accozzaglia
  • http://undefined Geopoliticus

    The photos of that dumbass on top of the South African (i.e. Boer) War Memorial at University and Queen makes me absolutely sick. It’s a beautiful monument to those died in war, and you have that caveman “protester” dancing on top of it. He has no shame and deserves to fall off and break his leg, which is less than what happened to those the monument is dedicated to.

  • http://undefined Max

    It’s unfortunate how these idiots give anarchists a bad name. 99% of us are peaceful, reasonable people. People like this aren’t really anarchist, they’re just using it as an excuse to destroy things and make fools of themselves.

  • accozzaglia

    No comment, Max, save one:
    Maybe you should be looking for a new label for those 99% of peaceful, people-who-believe-in-a-state-of-disorder-due-to-absence-or-nonrecognition-of-authority-or-advocacy-for-absence-of-government-and-absolute-freedom-of-the-individual-regarded-as-a-political-ideal* folks. Just sayin’
    * cited from Oxford American Dictionary on Mac OS X.

  • http://undefined mark.

    If that guy dancing makes you “absolutely sick,” get ready to become violently ill:

  • http://undefined Bias

    Well they could go for libertarian but an entirely different species of asshole has co-opted that one.

  • Geopoliticus

    Oh yes, I know the history and the brutality – but war is war for whatever reason it happens for and one should not disrespect memorials to the dead, military or civilian. Buddy doing the dancing could have found something better to do with his time…

  • http://undefined Vincent Clement

    Is it necessary to cause property damage? Protest all you want. Clash with the police if you insist, but smash windows and set cars on fire? That makes you an asshole.

  • rek

    I walked around downtown today and it was pretty surreal. Saw (and videoed) the police cars at Queen east of Spadina being smashed; Queen West was car-free to University, smashed CBC van, abandoned TTC street cars; turned south on Bay and at Richmond ran into a wall of cops, then turned around to find cops blocking Bay at Queen (no idea where they came from); University was almost clear of traffic, lots of unmarked police minivans idling in the centre southbound lane just sound of Queen’s Park. (All between ~3:30 and 6.)
    For the most part it was very quiet, very calm, and where there were protesters they were few in number. Through all of this there were more people with cameras than placards or masks or any other indicator of protest.

  • http://undefined rek

    CP24 is saying a CTV field producer was arrested at Queen’s Park in a random grab.

  • http://undefined juliegyatso

    I was at Queen’s Park from 12 until 2 pm today and it was great! It was wonderful to see such a diverse group of people out displaying their right to protest and to free speech. Why no photos of that?

  • http://undefined cprincipe

    So everyone who ridiculed the police for their expenditures because there were no ways the protests were going to turn violent (including Torontoist) will now apologize, right?

  • http://undefined rek

    A fraction of those expenses would have been needed if the summit had been held at Exhibition Place.
    I don’t think anyone said the protest would be free of violence. But let’s be honest, all it takes is one person to bring dozens of cops into an area and create conflict with hundreds of protesters and onlookers.

  • http://undefined wildoscar

    if there was no police it’d be a lot worse.

  • http://undefined spacejack

    Not so sure about the logic of that argument. Seems to me the financial core would still be a prime target and would have been barricaded much as it is. Then you’d have a whole other fortress at the CNE as well.

  • http://undefined rek

    The Financial District alone would be easy to blockade, much easier than the widespread areas of downtown they’re trying to keep clear.

  • http://undefined spacejack

    I just wanted to mention that THE HELICOPTERS ARE FUCKING RELENTLESS.

  • Miles Storey

    The only criticism I’ve seen is of the size of the budget, not the fact that one exists or that there was no need for one because there would be no violence. Every G20 meeting has been marred by violence like today’s, some much worse, but none have had budgets that are more than a fraction of Toronto’s.

  • rek

    Why do the police hate our freedom?

  • http://undefined Donna Samoyloff

    I don’t get it. You’re upset because someone, for once, paid attention to that memorial?

  • accozzaglia

    Uh, dude, they’re just doing their jobs and probably wishing they were spending time doing weekend-y stuff with family and friends rather than be in stormtroopery riot gear and being told they’re the smelly arsecrack of society’s bum by a bunch of masked rabble-rousers. Both they and the protestors — peaceable and aggressive alike — were all thrust into a theatre which did not need to happen, but one which our PM foisted on us when he picked Toronto and then threw out the CNE as a venue option.
    I am reminded of a time when a KKK rally down in the U.S. was granted by the state (because all demonstration permits were properly filled and granted). The KKK jerk-offs were about 25 in number with some sub-10-year-old children in tow. The anti-KKK bunch numbered in the several thousands. The wall of state troopers keeping the sides separate held stern expressions and visually represented the cap-S State in a control of order. But happy about it they were not. I asked them, “I’m guessing you’d rather be at the state fair today with your kids.” Two smirked, and another gave the slightest bit of a head shake of resignation for having to overtime it for a bunch of neo-Nazis to, well, peaceably assemble. No trooper said a word, but none had to.
    There are legit beefs to have against select cops. 52 Division’s Cherry Beach Express. Julian Fantino. The 1981 Bathhouse Raids. And on and on. But what happened today was that a throng of black-clad, overgrown children with puberty problems and cowardice streaks came all the way to Toronto — several of them, at least — and consciously set out to ignite what amounted to an unneeded tension and damage because it got their testosterone rocks off. And they have succeeded, I’d advance, in rivalling Seattle WTO 1999. My being stuck way out in Seattle on this particular weekend and watching it all from this vantage has just made me want to scream at what they’re doing to our city. It has made me want to cry, but no matter. They’ve hurt our city pretty deeply, and for what? To show “The Man?” Grow up already, children. Do your bloody homework. Or get castrated. Whatever you must to stop being so obstinately ignorant and aggressive.
    Rex, in addition to those black-clad wankers in balaclavas and bandannas (until cowardly stripping out into street clothes, that is), your — no, our — grievance as Torontonian(s) (and as Canadian(s)) should also be looking to urge our local MPs to lead a no-conf vote in Ottawa and put Harper out on his baby-eater arse for deliberately thrusting Toronto non-voluntarily into something it never wanted and then making a mockery of us “East” folk in the process, while our own lovely premier sort of said nothing as this weekend’s “special law” was passed without proper register notice. Gee. It effects a message of, “Let’s all h9 Toronto by installing the G20 there and let the rest of Canada relish in schadenfreude for that place they despise yet have never tried to visit to discover otherwise.”
    So get your MPs to call an election, get involved in your local riding’s campaign, and get out there to vote. That is democracy in action.

  • accozzaglia

    Excuse me. Our PM didn’t pick Toronto. He “conscripted” Toronto.

  • http://undefined editor66

    Same reason that TV stations don’t break into regular programming to tell you it’s going to be a sunny day tomorrow.

  • http://undefined Andrew

    How would you have them behave? Genuine question.

  • http://undefined Chuck

    Students go home!And anyone wearing a black hoody hiding there faces while destroying OUR police cars should be ripped apart by the crowd.The police r simply doing their jobs like the rest of do on a daily basis.And the idiots running around destroying things and lighting them on fire should be labeled as terrorists and delt with accordingly, and to the fullest extent of the laws we have in Canada to protect us.Most people don’t even know why or what their protesting.Stupid kids!And probably even dumber parents.

  • http://undefined Chuck

    since when have the police become the big issue at the g8 summit. R most of u ppl crazy?or simply blind? And we dont care about ur problems in the states with the kkk.quit trying to make something into something that it is not!so like i said in my earlier post STUDENTS go home and especially go back to school u have sooooooo much more u need to learn!

  • http://undefined satan

    Police do not hate “our/your” freedoms, they have the same freedoms as you. My partner would much rather be at home with me than in riot gear downtown with you losers. I just wish that you cowards would demonstrate your “freedoms” a little north of the city, in lets say Toronto’s 12 division where that bandana over your face will definitly make your freedoms a reality

  • accozzaglia

    That’s funny. For a person whose grammar is shoddy and spelling even worse, it is a bit rich of you to tell university educated people, some in post-grad, to “go back to school” and learn more. As for the anecdote about state troopers and the KKK down in the U.S., a point was conveyed that individuals wearing a law enforcement uniform at a demonstration are not by default a faceless, dehumanized mass of meat with truncheons and shields and guns and bad attitudes, but I suppose that fairly obvious point was lost on you, Chuck.
    As for the G20/G8 purpose of meeting (economic austerity), the spare-no-expense cost of pampering leaders and spending tens if not a hundred times more than nearly all prior G* summits to “secure” them and “showcase” Toronto seems to fly squarely in the face of that meeting agenda’s message.
    So what again were you you saying?

  • accozzaglia

    Honest question, but in your comment, to whom are you speaking when you say “you losers?” I don’t think it’s to most people on this discussion, but it isn’t completely clear. Could you give us some clarity?

  • http://undefined satan

    Let me give you some clarity. The ‘losers’ whom I am refering to are not commenting on this message board per say. I am refering to the violent, masked mob that thinks that destroying and vandalizing is an intelligent and productive way to get their messages across. The same persons on our streets that in my opinion have idea what they are protesting about and the consequences for their actions.

  • http://undefined satan

    is that not clear?

  • http://undefined LittleRiddle

    Does no one on this board speculate it may be agent provocateurs doing the damage, so they can justify use of force post ‘burned car/smash building’ staging? Or is that too “conspiracy theory’ to be taken seriously? It has happened on several occasions already, why not here?
    Why was the police car abandoned when there was no emergency?* Why were the Black Bloc not closely followed with their history of ‘anarchist’ behaviour? *Why not just toss a net over them? * Why were the protesters who tried to stop the destructive punks not aided by the cops? *Why is the media across the world blowing the violence out of proportion? * Why were the ‘anarchists’ not exposed on sight for the world to see? * Why, oh why do they have to hold this facade of a meeting in a major city when they could build a fortress on an Island for less money? Why not put cameras on the politicians every move, and see what they’re doing in said safe-house?
    I wish I could say honestly that I trusted the police in this city, but they have mistreated myself and several other innocent people over the years with prejudice and poor judgement. Charges can be thrown out of court, but I will never trust them. This just looks like a staged drama to justify the outlawing of peaceful protests while granting permission to use aggressive police power, camera surveillance and no more transparency… Sad day to be sure.

  • http://undefined rek

    The police haven’t just been arresting Black Bloc members, they’ve grabbed and beaten journalists, they’ve forced the dispersal of peaceful protests at the ends of tear gas guns, they’ve fired rubber bullets into crowds of onlookers, pushed people to the ground for not running away fast enough though they were following police instruction, given conflicting instruction (such as on the Esplanade and Queen’s Park), and they’re abusing McGuinty’s secret law to harass anyone they want, no matter where they are downtown. These actions violate our Charter freedoms of peaceful assembly and freedom of the press and right of security against unreasonable search. Following orders doesn’t excuse any of it.

  • http://undefined rek

    I didn’t do any smashing or burning, and I don’t care if your partner has, on paper, the same freedoms and rights as anyone else. He’s also equipped with riot gear and impunity, and apparently been given orders to fire gas into peaceful protesters, snatch people off the street for being in the area, punch reporters, deny arrestees access to legal aid, keep people in zip ties over night, and on and on and on.

  • http://undefined satan

    Well it sucks to be you doensn’t it? Stay out of the kitchen if you can’t take the heat.

  • accozzaglia

    You helped clear that up. Thank you.
    Honestly, the only message the “black bloc” want to deliver has been successfully delivered: they like to tear shit up and make sure everyone knows this is what’s most important to them and them alone. That an increasing number of those “black bloc” people who have been arrested drove in from Montréal and Québec to do this suggests that, if they were excluded from the equation, the intensity of violence yesterday would probably have been less than it was. Of course, they’d probably do just the same in un nouveau pays pour le monde — but then at least they’d be tearing up la ville de Montréal in their violent anarchy against The Man, not our fair city and our nation-state for which they could not care any less.

  • http://undefined satan

    Stagged drama? Were you even there?? If you were your perception is fucked up…and aggressive police power?? After having cars set ablaze, rocks thrown at you and spit upon damn right the need to be aggressive

  • http://undefined satan

    I agree. It’s just sad really. I’d thought Canadian’s had more decency to not allow that to get as far as it did…its a shame our city was seen in that light to the rest of the world

  • http://undefined satan

    And let me guess you were one of those detained weren’t you?

  • http://undefined LittleRiddle

    You are simply too biased and ignorant to have a reasonable discussion with. Your other posts show this.
    Did you even read the questions above? Did you see the video? The cops were not ‘aggressive’ during the ‘riot’ but are now aggressive to the innocents. Random journalists, peaceful bystanders etc. Nice timing, a little delayed. Like you. :)
    I don’t ‘spit’ on the right to be aggressive. I question whether this right has been acquired by unjustified and staged ‘violence.’ Seeing as your ‘partner’ is in the ‘force’ and you have right to your biased opinion, but don’t go putting words in my mouth.
    That is such typical manipulation to anger people trying to peacefully question the motives of a group. Did you learn those tactics from your partner too?

  • accozzaglia

    You’re right, rek. There came a point where law enforcement — whose job is not to question the law, but to enforce it, come what may — no longer made the distinction between parties who were out in force and, loosely writ, protesting. Law enforcement are trained in such cases to treat all the same when conditions escalate beyond a set point of instigating activity (i.e., throngs commandeering police vehicles and tearing them up or smashing storefronts, both which largely occurred before police yesterday started arresting people en masse and using rubber bullets).
    Law enforcement are not trained or charged with the task of being judge, jury, and executioner in determining who is a “black bloc” jerk-off, a wastafarian with dreadlocks and attitude straight outta Kensington, and an undergrad hurling anti-authoritarian epithets in a highly idealized, but naïve manner. That’s for, as they say, the courts to decide. They just have to enforce it.
    It’s in the courts where the really important civil liberties decisions are meted, and where civil justice happens (or is taken away) — not out on the streets. This isn’t some kind of re-enactment of Julian Cope’s “Soldier Blue”. All the same, law enforcement also stops making any distinction between these aggressive parties and non-violent parties (like peaceably assembling pacifists, journalists, and by-standers) once that violent activity rolls underway. This is usually because the violent and non-violent civilians are mixed in with one another and not readily identifiable at a glance — that is, unless they’re wearing head-to-toe in black (or at least until they strip from their rioting duds and then scurry away like the cowardly little thugs they are).
    Let’s make another point clear: law enforcement are not “abusing McGuinty’s secret law.” They are only enforcing his “secret law” to the letter — despite its flagrant contravention of the Charter. Therefore the grievance must come back to holding the feet of elected MP and MPP citizen representation to the fire for letting something like this become law in the first place. That’s the most insidious part of this mess, and McGuinty’s name has hardly been whispered all weekend.
    For all that pent-up energy and anger at law enforcement this weekend, it would be amazing what would happen to things at the legislative level if it was channelled there instead. Why aren’t these protests being focussed squarely at Queen’s Park and Parliament Hill for devising this temporary “police state?” I know: it isn’t a familiar script. It’s also a lot less instantaneous in its gratification. It’s a slower cathexis, even if it is a more effective catharsis. It requires tremendous self-discipline and patience to see through. It requires some old-skool maturity.
    Like I said already, what has played out on the streets is a theatre spectacle. It was predictable, foreseeable, and altogether expected. It was so predictable that I’m fairly sure this is why Harper drafted Toronto for the dirty job: two, maybe three social-political birds with one stone could be killed effectively to serve his own ends.
    I also apologize for butchering your name multiple times last night, rek.

  • http://undefined rek

    Your replies are increasingly incoherent and loaded with assumptions.

  • accozzaglia

    Honestly, if satan’s bias to law enforcement is clouding her or his judgement, I’d say your bias for conspiratorial activity and using rhetoric to make this an oversimplified black-and-white, overlords-versus-underlings showdown is clouding your judgement as well.
    I even have my own bias. Tell me: who lacks it?

  • accozzaglia

    rek, your comment about impunity and riot gear was coherent but, I daresay, loaded with assumptions, too.

  • http://undefined editor66

    accozzaglia, regarding the Public Works Protection Act, I question the effectiveness of your suggestion that we might hold our elected representatives’ feet to the fire over this matter. The regulations were passed via an order-in-council and were not debated openly in the Legislature. I can’t fault my MPP for these powers being granted to the police, because my MPP was not consulted. I can’t express my dissatisfaction by withholding my vote from my MPP in the next election, because he is aligned with an opposition party. I must reserve some scorn for the Chief of Police, who sought these powers from the Premier without consulting the Mayor or City Council. I must also question the application of said powers. If all it’s truly about is protecting a bit of fencing, why were these powers apparently used to make arrests several hundred metres from the barrier? The Chief of Police is not accountable to me, and apparently is not accountable to the municipal government. This confuses and angers me. As a citizen, what recourse have I really?

  • Jo

    Personally, I’d be curious to know:
    What circumstances would allow 2 (two!) single/unsupported police cruisers to be left parked, empty, and unattended in the middle of open roads that are already crawling with onduty and undercover security forces that are ready and waiting to respond to any obvious issues that present themselves.
    Also what circumstances would be required for said cars to not only be subsequently smashed open, but also eliciting such an incredibly slow response time from the surrounding forces that the cars could not only be spray painted with complete slogans, but also lit afire…all directly under the noses of the largest police presence ever assembled on those same roads.
    Curiously even with fully manned fire stations merely seconds away at 33 Claremont and 260 Adelaide Street West, and no other fires or rescue emergencies reported anywhere in the area at the time, these POLICE cars were allowed to burn for so long that even the national media was commenting on the surprising amount of time that it took for fire crews to finally respond.
    If you’re intent on denying the possibility that Security Forces need to justify their presence, then so be it. But try to keep the following firmly in mind when forming your rationale:
    All of this transpired DIRECTLY under the noses of both roving undercover, and massed riot equipped officers…Not one of whom it appears was capable of calling for backup, and/or operating an extinguisher, and/or placing an immediate call for FireFighters…Much less actually feeling confident enough in their training, abilities, and massed support to use their tools and protective armour to apprehend the culprits while they were still in the process of starting to vandalize the cruisers, as it would seem by the results.
    When even the MOR Mainstream Media is commenting on questionable circumstances, then you know something just isn’t adding up anymore…

  • http://undefined rek

    Which assumption(s) do you mean? True I don’t know if satan’s partner actually wore riot gear, but I wasn’t speaking about him (or her) specifically anyway.
    The rest of my comment is as has been reported elsewhere, and clearly prefaced with “apparently”.

  • http://undefined rek

    CP24′s Ann Rohmer and a number of other media and observers have pointed out just how long the cruisers were allowed to burn before police even arrived, and then continued to burn before being put out. They haven’t merely pointed it out either, and some have said it seemed deliberate. There is something highly suspicious about the whole thing, and it isn’t just being said by the easily-dismissed-as-conspiracy-theorists.

  • accozzaglia

    Thanks, rek. I know what a synecdoche is, and in lolcats parlance, “ur doin it rong.” Maybe if you called all law enforcement a “bunch of Julian Fantinos” or “the iron hand of McGuinty,” we would have a synecdoche. Instead, satan’s partner was placed in a generality, and I’d argue without merit.
    Between you and satan, both of you should de-escalate from this and start over. Or just don’t talk to one another ever again.

  • accozzaglia

    Fair enough, but bear witness that a “conspiracy” only becomes a bona fide conspiracy once a substantiative burden of documented evidence to effect a case thereto is confirmed.
    One day at a time, and let findings from discovery uncover points of fact from fancy.

  • accozzaglia

    Look at what was just posted on the Twitter this Sunday evening.
    This is fascinating.

  • http://undefined rek

    I should revise: Not only were the cars allowed to burn, they were abandoned there without a fight and in some cases walls of riot cops stood by and watched. I was at Queen and Spadina when the cars were being smashed (but had left before any sign of fire). Those cars were there 3 to 4 hours all together.
    Whether any sort of investigation will come of this remains to be seen, but I won’t be holding my breath.

  • http://undefined Michael Chrisman

    From this video making the rounds, it looks like at least one patrol car was abandoned in a panic with the car being attacked with an officer still inside.

  • http://undefined westman

    I’ll just go get my tinfoil hat.,14222/
    For your viewing pleasure.

  • http://undefined rek

    Of course they abused it: the Act was invoked with the proviso of being within 5 metres of the fence, yet people were being stopped as far away as Dundas Street.

  • http://undefined bray

    Satan, please ignore this comment and keep on contributing. Yes, you’re a bloodthirsty monster, but frankly I think I prefer that to all the reasonable people who spend so much time criticizing the Black Bloc that they don’t seem to have a moment to criticize, say, two police officers holding someone so a third can punch him in the stomach.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat
  • Nancy

    disturbing pictures from Canada

  • http://undefined bray

    The first two links are interesting but the third is simply delusional. They present pictures of two Black Bloc members and a police officer and state that the fact that they’re all wearing the same shoes is proof that the Black Blocers are in fact police officers. Which is great except for the fact that the three pictures show, in order:
    1) A guy wearing black shoes (not boots) with plain black soles. (The foot with the black sock does look like a boot but the post’s author also notes the white socked foot which makes this so obvious.)
    2) A guy wearing black footwear (probably shoes, but whatever) with multi-shaded soles. (The post’s author makes special note of the soles, too.)
    3) A police officer wearing plain black boots with plain black soles. (Again, noted.)
    It’s even worse bad than Christopher Bird not being able to see a police officer hitting someone on the head.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    In the very first picture, the Black Bloc and the cops are wearing the EXACT same footwear, with the exception of some duct tape over the Black Bloc footwear. RIGHT down to the same TREAD style.
    Are you bliiiinndddd?

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    So it’s happened at every other G* summit but not this one? hrmmm….

  • http://undefined Suzain

    Its Not Good
    Grievance Letters

  • John

    It’s happened at every country, yes my country too. T_T