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Demonstrators Already Claiming Victory in G20 Battle

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Boarded-up shop windows surround King Station. Photo by Stephen Michalowicz/Torontoist.


Unless you’ve been living under a rock this week—and let’s face it, with the security clampdown, lots of people downtown feel as though they are—you’ve noticed that the core of the city has been brought to a virtual standstill. Some streets are so vacant, you could use them as bowling alleys. Employees have been told to stay home. Shops are closed (some are even boarded up), the daily subway commute feels more like a Sunday afternoon than morning rush hour, and people are talking openly about leaving town for the weekend.
Turning the country’s biggest city into a ghost town is quite a feat. To some protesters, that’s a major victory—and it’s been won before the actual summits even begin.


“Definitely the Harper government and the G8 and G20 summits have proven our point,” says Dylan Penner, spokesperson for the Council of Canadians. “These are closed-door meetings that exclude the world… Everything’s cancelled pretty much, except the protests.”
Just about nobody believes the demonstrators will achieve their ultimate goal—to shut down the two summits this weekend. But some believe they’re getting the next best thing: public attention pulled away from the summits’ agendas, and onto to the subjects they believe are important.
“We are definitely winning the argument,” says Penner. “In the face of this intimidation, there are still thousands of people taking to the streets for water and climate and social change. That’s a victory in and of itself.”
But not everyone’s so sure that the demonstrators are winning the battle for the public’s hearts and minds completely. Stephen Weir is a veteran public relations consultant, and he says the streets may be vacant because the authorities have been trying to demonize the protesters.
“If you work in the defence industry or if you work for the armed forces, or the police or even government, if you come out and say that you are going to spend a billion dollars for a conference, and most of that is to keep everyone safe, most citizens are going to believe you,” he says. “If you say that people will be wearing masks and throwing bricks…people are going to stay away.”
Trying to sway public opinion is one thing. Accomplishing it is much more complicated. Who’s ahead so far?
“The protestors. Hands down,” says Weir. But he points out that public opinion could shift “quickly if somebody actually does more than march, wear masks, or burn flags.”
“My 86-year-old mother-in-law is behind the protestors.”
It could be that a clear-cut winner never does emerge in the battle between summit organizers and demonstrators. It could just be that people are staying home this week because they’re equally fed up with both sides.

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  • http://undefined James Goneaux

    Um, sure.
    Just got off the phone with a patient at Princess Margaret, and the van that takes him to and from Sunnybrook each day for radiation was “only” 20 minutes late. Which doesn’t sound very long, I guess, but then again, I’m not undergoing cancer treatments and my pain medication isn’t wearing off while I sit in a protestor-created traffic jam.
    Nice folks, them.

  • http://bit.ly/accozzaglia accozzaglia

    Hey, look! Toronto’s about to weather Hurricane Harper!
    Oh, uh, wait a sec. That’s no hurricane. It’s the Death Star.

  • http://undefined Craig C

    Just about nobody believes the demonstrators will achieve their ultimate goal—to shut down the two summits this weekend.

    I don’t believe that’s the goal of more than maybe 20 protesters. Most seem to just want their voices heard. Good job media. Keep sensationalizing.

  • http://undefined friend68

    If they set something on fire and fire trucks come, do they prove their point then too?

  • http://bit.ly/accozzaglia accozzaglia

    What you said.

  • http://undefined spacejack

    Yeah that seemed like a very odd characterization of the goals of “the demonstrators”.
    I’m also not entirely sure what this means: “Definitely the Harper government and the G8 and G20 summits have proven our point,” says Dylan Penner, spokesperson for the Council of Canadians. “These are closed-door meetings that exclude the world… Everything’s cancelled pretty much, except the protests.”
    I thought everyone was pissed because this meeting is happening in the downtown of a major metropolitan area instead of an inaccessible remote location. Do people actually expect to be able to walk up to Harper or Obama and have a face to face conversation? I’m confused. Maybe you could find some better spokespeople?

  • http://undefined spacejack

    You know, the more you think about it the more ridiculous that objective seems. Aren’t the main issues being discussed all about increasing banking regulations, making the IMF more sensitive to poor nations and cutting fossil fuel subsidies? Are these all Tea Party-type protesters or what?

  • http://undefined davedave

    “Turning the country’s biggest city into a ghost town is quite a feat. To some protesters, that’s a major victory”
    Everyone interviewed for this story is a moron.
    Dear fu*king clown protestors:
    Everybody hates you for fu*king up our lives as much as the G20 people themselves.
    Nobody knows what your message is. A billion dollars has been spent because of the threat of terrorism and the threat of you trashing the place. Wow, mission accomplished.

  • http://undefined rek

    These types of conferences are increasingly out of touch with the latest technology (they don’t actually need to meet face to face), terribly wasteful (money, energy, manpower and time, etc), and yes, they are closed-door meetings in which the fate of billions will be decided by unelected representatives and elected representatives who are under no obligation to listen to what their constituents actually want.
    Staging these sorts of things in remote locations is offensive as well, as it openly states “we don’t want you here”. Putting it in a populated area is much better, but not right in the heart of the population, shutting down and disrupting things for millions of people.
    tl;dr it’s all Harper and Obama’s fault. And BP’s.

  • http://undefined Colin

    Most of the protesters have no idea what they want to achieve, or in fact, what they hell they are protesting for/against in the first place.

  • http://undefined Colin

    Well said.

  • http://undefined rek

    You need to stop speaking for the protesters.

  • http://undefined Andrew

    “closed-door meetings in which the fate of billions will be decided by unelected representatives and elected representatives who are under no obligation to listen to what their constituents actually want”
    Isn’t this basically how government works in Canada (except “millions” not “billions”)? Are you just as furious every time the cabinet meets?

  • http://undefined spacejack

    Not too downtown (i.e. not in my backyard) and not too remote. So, like, Mississauga? Somehow I think there would still be thousands of stormtroopers patrolling the downtown (financial) core.

  • http://undefined rek

    Representative democracy is imperfect at best. Canadian democracy is fatally flawed in a number of ways. But my point is there are plenty of legitimate reasons for anger toward the entire concept of G-# summits. The disconnection between these people (not all of whom were elected, and few elected with the majority of popular support) and NGOs and the billions of people they represent, and who will be effected by and/or committed to whatever is agreed on at the summits, is very real and the oppressive security makes it tangible. It says “we aren’t interested in your concerns”.

  • http://undefined Colin

    Why? They seem happy to smear the G20 with lies so why not throw a little bit of mud back in their smug, terrorist faces.

  • http://undefined Andrew

    I’m unclear on what you want.
    Do you want world leaders not to talk to each other at all?
    Do you want democratic states to dictate policy to nondemocratic states (kind of like what the USA does with Cuba, Iran, and N. Korea)?
    Do you want the G8/20-ers to listen to “the people” (whatever that means) — in which case how can they possibly get input from all the people at once? Unless “the people” can somehow elect “representatives” to do the talking for them? Oh wait.

  • http://undefined CaligulaJones

    Why? Anyone, apparently, can be a protestor. So protestors can be protested as well.
    You maintain that the leaders at the meetings don’t represent the majority of the people, and its pretty evident that the protestors don’t represent the majority, either.
    So, it would seem, that the people protesting the protestors are in the majority. Which, in your world, that makes them legit.

  • http://undefined spacejack

    Ok, got it. So you’re opposed to cutting fossil fuel subsidies, easing the debts of poor nations and imposing stricter banking regulations. And apparently so are all the protesters.

  • http://undefined rek

    Exhibition Place was picked first for a reason. I’m not sure what sorts of facilities are needed or available to suggest alternate locations that aren’t in the heart of the city. For $1.X billion they probably could have built what they needed somewhere on the islands.

  • http://undefined rek

    Colin: You continue to present the protesters as one undifferentiated mass, eager for violence, protesting for the sake of protesting, with no specific agenda or issues to speak about.
    That isn’t the case.
    Most protesters will be there for a variety of different causes and concerns, causes and concerns not shared by other protesters or activist groups. Most will not be coming just to clash with police or piss of business owners or disrupt your weekend. Plenty of these groups disagree with each other. Some of their messages will be valid. Some will be not. Some will have very specific issues . Some will have very vague issues (anti-globalization is a nice umbrella term). Some will have realistic goals. Some will not. And yes, a minority will come out just to go head to head with the police (the Black Bloc seems to exist for no other reason).
    Caligula: The protesters are the unrepresented, either literally or symbolically as the individual case may be. If you disagree with them, go protest with your own message.

  • http://undefined rek

    I also hate puppies and rainbows, and frequently protest and/or kick them.
    Get a grip.

  • http://undefined agw

    I’m sorry, what? The protestors are terrorists? There is no civil response that is appropriate for the degree of stupidity that comment required.