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Newsstand: March 18, 2010

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Illustration by Roxanne Ignatius/Torontoist.


Sarah Thomson leapt into her mayoral campaign with a pitch for a citywide subway system she hopes to build if elected. Calling for fifty-eight kilometres of new subway tunnels at a total cost of around eleven billion dollars, Thomson can’t be accused of thinking too small. To pay for it all, she proposed private-sector involvement, a five-dollar road toll on the Gardiner and the DVP, and shifting a staggering amount of provincial funding away from LRT projects. The last part would be a major stumbling block, since Queen’s Park would have to be heavily involved in approving any such redirection.
These subway visions come at a moment when the TTC is quietly scaling back service on many of its busy routes, despite high ridership. That situation has partly to do with bad estimates of how much ridership would drop after the January fare hikes. Instead of slowing after fare prices jumped by twenty-five cents, TTC ridership actually continued to grow. Unfortunately, they had already set their budget by the low-ball figures and will need to pull vehicles from service until at least September. Spacing has that story, as well as far more information about transit changes than your brain may be able to handle.
Was the headline “Drinking less common on the TTC, Giambrone says” crafted to make all the members of the TTC’s blue-ribbon customer-service panel face-palm at once? Just to be clear, Giambrone didn’t actually say those exact words when he credited the TTC’s Fitness for Duty policy for reducing incidents of intoxication on the job. A TTC bus driver identified as “Margaret Wilson” (reports are now questioning that name) was stopped by police and failed a breathalyzer test on March 12. According to 680News, her firing is all but certain, though others are not so fast to call it.
Councillor Rob Ford (Ward 2, Etobicoke North) made the most of the latest burst of outrage involving Adam Giambrone (Ward 18, Davenport). After routine disclosure documents showed that Giambrone had expensed three thousand dollars for cab rides last year, Ford announced he wants councillors’ office budgets slashed to twenty thousand dollars per year, down from $53,100. That’s bound to annoy some city councillors, only four of whom ran their offices for less than Ford’s proposed figure. Ford himself spent none of his office budget. Based on the most recent data available such a cut would affect forty city councillors, and eliminate around eight hundred thousand dollars in city spending, at a time when one hundred million is being laughed off as pocket change.
A U of T student who disappeared about eighteen months ago surfaced on Tuesday in a video apparently uploaded by a Somali terrorist group affiliated with al-Qaeda. Toronto-born Mohammed Elmi Ibrahim was one of at least six young men from the city believed to have been recruited by the insurgent group al-Shabaab. According to the video, Ibrahim was killed in fighting, but this has not been confirmed.
The Harper government is not proroguing the Internet just yet. Letters informing community groups that federal funding for their public internet access was being cut were an “honest mistake,” according to the Harper government. Industry Minister Tony Clement told reporters and members of his own party that senior government employees misinterpreted Conservative plans to switch the community groups over to a different funding program and instead assumed that their funding was being cut altogether.
And the public inquiry into Toronto’s forty-three-million-dollar computer leasing scandal may have actively blocked police from laying any charges, by making large swathes of evidence inadmissible in court. How can that possibly have happened? We’re so glad you asked. That’s the news, what are you gonna do about it?

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  • http://undefined Darren

    I like her idea, and she has the fiscal background that brings with it the clout to obtain funding from higher levels of govermnent. Lets face it; the current crop of city leaders are seen as spending like druken sailors

  • André Bovee-Begun

    Well, I like that she’s pushing for a major transit expansion, even if it comes at the expense of LRT projects. And, to paraphrase the Globe, omg she suggested road tolls, awesome. On the other hand, does her résumé really scream “I am the one who can make the province fall into line to the tune of $4.6bn”?

  • Pan Von Sol

    It’s also nice to see someone with the fortitude to toll highways most frequently used by 905ers. Score one for the “make the out-of-towners pay for saturating our infrastructure” camp.

  • Darren

    But the one flaw in her proposal is that she wants these subways to attract suburban (meaning 905) users. Right there she is basically saying we’re going to exten lines further. I think we have to realize that the added subway capacity is needed to give room to grow in the city, and that people travelling town to town should still use regional rail

  • http://undefined dowlingm

    Most seriously contested MPP and MP seats (between parties that have a chance of being in govt at any rate) in Ontario are in the 905 and 705. Pandering to them is always on Queen’s Park’s radar, and to a lesser extent Ottawa’s.

  • http://undefined Rob S

    It’s great that a candidate is talking about road pricing, but Thomson’s transit plan still leaves massive gaps, both budgetary and in the transit network, that would cause havoc over the next several decades. You can read my full response to the plan here.
    Rob Salerno
    Candidate for Ward 27

  • http://undefined atomeyes

    except the DVP and Gardiner aren’t used by 905ers. the 410 is. the 401 is.
    i think its frustrating when one chooses their home/location based on Gardiner/DVP convenience for inside-toronto commuting and people are suddenly talking about making them toll roads.
    it makes more sense to a) have the tolls starting in Richmond Hill/Ajax/Mississauga (i.e. areas clearly outside the downtown “core”) and b) apply the toll concept to the TTC by having zone transit instead of a flat fare.
    there is no reason why a subway ride from Prommenade Mall should cost the same as a ride from Queen st to Bloor St

  • http://undefined Darren

    Its just a concept. The fee is actually too high as well. This could all be scrapped in favour of say a toll zone in the core, like in London and to show that she is serious we could also have a distance based zone fare system in the TTC. Elements like these reward those people who travel less

  • http://undefined Svend

    I like the idea of toll roads, but I’d also like to see every driver pay a more massive gasoline tax.

  • http://undefined thelemur

    The DVP and Gardiner are used by 905ers and basically anyone commuting by car to the core from outside. Those cars lined up on the Gardiner offramps at Spadina, York, etc. in the morning aren’t all driven by people who live in the 416.

  • http://undefined andomano
  • http://undefined Vincent Clement

    Her proposal includes the downtown relief line and the Eglinton line, two lines that would serve a large portion of the 416 population. He proposal extends YUS to Steeles.
    She also proposes to extend the Bloor-Danforth and Sheppard subways to Scarborough Town Centre. Last I looked Scarborough Town Centre is located in the 416 area.
    I’ve never been convinced that in a city the size of Toronto, that everything has to be directed to the downtown. What about Bloor/Yonge? Eglinton/Yonge? Scarborough Town Centre? Let’s spread the wealth around a wee bit.

  • http://undefined Christopher Hylarides

    It looks more derived than plagiarized. The subway on hers is on Queen St. and sheppard doesn’t go west. It was definitely created by somebody who saw that map, though.

  • http://undefined Darren

    I wouldnt take anything posted on urbantoronto too seriously

  • http://undefined Green Sulfur

    Darren, If Adam Giambrone were accused of this you sure as hell would take it too seriously.
    Christopher, if she were submitting this map as part of an academic assignment, Thomson could be penalized for not citing the original map. Should this become a major political scandal? Probably not. Lying in her biography, however, is more of a political sin: http://goo.gl/fb/qBLC.

  • http://undefined Peter K

    I have to agree it looks a little too close for comfort.

  • http://undefined Darren

    No one has a patent on the design for the DRL, and everyone and their mom knows that Sheppard needs to be extended, and Metrolinx has called for an underground Eg line instead of a LRT. She has staff who know their stuff well enough to see the obvious.

  • http://undefined Darren

    Its the TTC Vincent, its part of Toronto. Subway systems need viable densities and they have a finite distances. Regional rail has a part to play in the things that the TTC cannot do

  • http://undefined Darren

    broken link

  • http://undefined rek

    “private-sector involvement”
    Very worrying phrase, that.

  • Darren

    Yes god forbid the private sector is involved in anything in Rex-land. We work for private firm. We use them to buy food from. We use them to creat technologies. But god forbid we use them in sholdering the cost for building infrastucture that the city desperatly needs

  • http://undefined rek

    It’s worrying because it’s so casually mentioned without explanation. How much involvement? CIBC–Bay Station? “Arriving at Spadina Station. These station stop announcements brought to you by Pepsi. Gurgle gurgle, Ah! Pepsi!”? God forbid we have a transit system with minimal advertising intrusion, where riders are seen as customers rather than products, where decisions are in the hands of people elected by residents, not shareholders or board members.
    “Rex-land”
    There’s no X in there, and it’s Rektown, not Rek-land.

  • Darren

    That has a ring to it; “I’m heading to downtown Rektown”
    I think, from what she said on LeDrew live at least, she wants the oversight and consultancy moved from soley the TTC to a joint deal with a private firm that has done this in the past. They would be paid for this, and through their oversight we will reduce costly over runs like the St Clair RoW. She is also probably going to scrap the union labour clause. Thats a fair assumption

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    It’s times like this that I’m grateful for not even having a driver’s license.

  • http://undefined Darren

    You got to live the pushback from “Toronto Environmental Alliance” aka the nerd version of the justice league
    http://www.thestar.com/opinion/article/782011–more-subways-or-transit-city
    “The bottom line is that Transit City is the only way to bring fast, affordable and desperately needed public transit to…”
    Really?? The inner suburbs have never has public transit as good as they have it now with the expanded TTC surface network. So if they’ve lasted this long without faster transit, then why cant they wait the extra 5 or so years (the difference between building LRTs and subways) to get the more reliable subway system in place of LRT lines??

  • http://undefined Solex

    Ah, yes. Because everything that Miller proposed is all shit, and everything Thomson proposes is amazing. Forget how much subways cost, and also forget that they serve as a reinforcement of the car by being underground instead of being aboveground, like LRT’s. Forget also that most cites in North America and Europe have LRT’s as well instead of subways-no, Transit City is shit, and we all must be rid of it, according to Rossi and Thomson. With people like her and Rossi running for mayor and their enablers voting them in, no wonder Toronto’s backsliding as a city, instead of going forward.

  • Darren

    Nice blatant misuse of terms like “most cities”.
    And hello….cars are always needed in a healthy city. Some people do have to drive. So what if subways are “reinforcement of the car by being underground instead of being aboveground”. Are you actually trying to suggest that public transit should go out of it’s way to slow neccesary car traffic? The DRL for example can replace three different streetcar routes, and actually for bloody once reward inner city transit users for a change and not the 905. You know…the inner city, where we’re trying to retain families with children (the opposite of single bachelors who tend to make up the TEA). There are hundreds of thousands of people who use those streetcars everyday, and they love this city but hate using those streetcars. And dont say that they dont, because Im on those streetcars and I saw the trends. When the 503 was temporarily switched to buses during track repair of the VP loop, riders from the 501 were flocking onto the 503 buses. I never saw that many riders use the 503. They wanted to get off those streetcars and use something that is less prone to breakdown and which is able to change lanes and overtake a traffic issue. Its people like these who we want to retain in this city. They own homes, which they see as an investment. The DRL would reward them and it would free up the core. Without those 3 streetcar routes we can finally have a bike lane on Queen for example and we could have more pedestrian only areas.
    Transit City is horrible idea with LRTs being feeder lines to overextended subways, the same subways which pander to the 905 regional commuting public.
    Subway costs in TO have been intentionally over inflated in the last decade due to socialist labour and legacy building ideology. Half of the crap that was built into the Shepppard STUBway was not needed, and even more crap is being installed into the Spadina extension.
    And if you don’t believe me, then read what Richard Gilbert has to say. He knows more then you and the socilist-pandering hippies (who never have anything negative to say about the current administration they are supposedly trying to critique) at the “Toronto Environmental Alliance”. He also has clients all over the world, including Europe where supposedly “most cities” have LRTs.
    http://www.thestar.com/opinion/article/781418–reassess-transit-city-it-has-too-many-flaws

  • mark.

    STFU

  • http://undefined Darren

    Truth hurts I guess

  • http://undefined mark.

    Truth never hurts – and you’re not speaking the truth. You are a mean, name-calling bully. You insult people and call them names because that’s the only way you can make your arguments. Why would think you’re changing or influencing anyone’s thoughts when you just insult them?

  • Darren

    I insulted those people making those comments at the TEA, who pretend to be the so called critics of the status quo yet pander to the city administration. Surely they and you have thicker skin

  • Darren

    And if someone is going to respond to my comment and tell me “no wonder Toronto’s backsliding as a city, instead of going forward” when describing not those in the current administration but those running for that job, then that person is inviting my type of response. The guy readily admits the city is decling but is praising the status quo and saying that someone running for that job is the problem

  • http://undefined Darren

    Yup, its somehow the fault of someone running for office that “Toronto’s (is) backsliding as a city, instead of going forward” and not the current administration’s fault. Just ask the guy in NYC who run’s their succesful food vendor program and criticizes ours;
    http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/782382–toronto-s-food-vendors-set-up-for-failure?bn=1#comments

  • http://undefined Solex

    Nice blatant misuse of terms like “most cities”.
    And hello….cars are always needed in a healthy city. Some people do have to drive. So what if subways are “reinforcement of the car by being underground instead of being aboveground”. Are you actually trying to suggest that public transit should go out of it’s way to slow neccesary car traffic? The DRL for example can replace three different streetcar routes, and actually for bloody once reward inner city transit users for a change and not the 905. You know…the inner city, where we’re trying to retain families with children (the opposite of single bachelors who tend to make up the TEA). There are hundreds of thousands of people who use those streetcars everyday, and they love this city but hate using those streetcars. And dont say that they dont, because Im on those streetcars and I saw the trends. When the 503 was temporarily switched to buses during track repair of the VP loop, riders from the 501 were flocking onto the 503 buses. I never saw that many riders use the 503. They wanted to get off those streetcars and use something that is less prone to breakdown and which is able to change lanes and overtake a traffic issue. Its people like these who we want to retain in this city. They own homes, which they see as an investment. The DRL would reward them and it would free up the core. Without those 3 streetcar routes we can finally have a bike lane on Queen for example and we could have more pedestrian only areas.
    Transit City is horrible idea with LRTs being feeder lines to overextended subways, the same subways which pander to the 905 regional commuting public.
    Subway costs in TO have been intentionally over inflated in the last decade due to socialist labour and legacy building ideology. Half of the crap that was built into the Shepppard STUBway was not needed, and even more crap is being installed into the Spadina extension.
    And if you don’t believe me, then read what Richard Gilbert has to say. He knows more then you and the socialist-pandering hippies (who never have anything negative to say about the current administration they are supposedly trying to critique) at the “Toronto Environmental Alliance”. He also has clients all over the world, including Europe where supposedly “most cities” have LRTs.
    http://www.thestar.com/opinion/article/781418–reassess-transit-city-it-has-too-many-flaws

    I’m supposed to give a flying fuck about some ‘expert’ who speaks out against Miller and Transit City in the Star? Who (like you and most of the Neoconservative Neanderthals on the Star‘s comments board) constantly red-bait Miller for being progressive enough to implement the policies that he did? Motherfucker, please don’t try to bullshit me that you have any brains, and that I or anybody else on Torontoist don’t have any.
    ‘Cars are always needed in a healthy city’? Where did you get that bullshit from? cars are making us unhealthy because of the pollution that they spew, and most cities are trying to mitigate their effects by planning more public transit. That does not mean cave dweller transit which reinforces cars as the kings of the road, but transit that’s a true part of the city. The problem is, Neoconservative Neanderthals like you can’t see that, because the car is the only thing that you can get your heads around-so anytime it’s threatened, you bleat like big babies. Except that said bleating isn’t truth, it’s bullshit, and you know it. But you all just try to hide your heads in the sand and hope that the message goes away. Well Darren, it isn’t and the truth will have to be dealt with one way or the other.
    As for the TEA being so-called ‘single bachelors’, I’d bet that most of the TEA is comprised of families as well, just like the Clean Train Coalition is also comprised of different types of people-are you going to red-bait them too? Or will you be able to shut your big fat mouth and listen to them?

    Yup, its somehow the fault of someone running for office that “Toronto’s (is) backsliding as a city, instead of going forward” and not the current administration’s fault. Just ask the guy in NYC who run’s their succesful food vendor program and criticizes ours;
    http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/782382–toronto-s-food-vendors-set-up-for-failure?bn=1#comments

    So some big shot from the Big Apple hates how we handled our vendors? So fucking what? I’ll bet that if I or anybody else tried to tell him how to handle the homeless better than he and his Neoconservative Neanderthal mayor Mike Bloomberg have been handling it, he’d tell us to fuck off. So, I can tell him to fuck off to, and go and stick his head up his ass. Just like I’d love to tell you, Rossi, and Thompson to do the same with regards to transit.

  • http://my.opera.com/dandmb50toronto/blog/ dandmb50

    Now it’s easy to see why she will never make it in the Mayoral race, she doesn’t have a chance thinking this way. Charging people to enter the city is insane and very unpopular. We don’t want people to stay out of the city we want people to come into the city.
    Daniel ……… Toronto
    bit.ly/bKGa13

  • http://my.opera.com/dandmb50toronto/blog/ dandmb50

    It’s obvious she has no idea what the pulse of the city truly is or how the people feel about such things.
    Daniel …….. Toronto
    http://www.bit.ly/bKGa13

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    “And if someone is going to respond to my comment and tell me “no wonder Toronto’s backsliding as a city, instead of going forward” when describing not those in the current administration but those running for that job, then that person is inviting my type of response. ”
    If she doesn’t have dinner ready for me when I get home, she’s asking for it. She knows what will happen.

  • Darren

    Its so obvious from the amount of profanity and the amount of labels you tossed around that you can’t form a logical argument. Those weren’t just normal Joes, but experts in their fields who gave their opinion. The Star is ironically the most left leaning of the bunch, so its ironic that they of all people are coming out strong questioning the need for LRTs and questioning other policies enacted by Miller.
    There is no need to “redbait” the people at TEA. Their track record already minimizes anything they have to say.
    Cars are always needed, even in the most transit friendly of cities. We’ve seens in that in NYC and London, both of whom used that to their advantage with tolls. I dont even own a car, yet I know this. But what do I know, Im just a “Neoconservative Neanderthal” since I dont buy into everything Miller ever did.

  • Darren

    How is it insane? Many of the people who are against it dont even live here; ie dont vote here.
    Actually we do want to people to stay out of the city to a certain extent. A Londod type of congestio charge could replace this toll ideas. Its simple supply and demand. The volume on the roads suggest people will pay a price to use them. We want people to stay and live in this city and just work here.

  • http://undefined Darren

    Do you really think that the general view of Miller in TO (and the rest of Canada) is due to some right wing rabble rousing?? There is a general dislike for his track record. Some of the same councillors who sided with him are now against him. A tree stump would get votes if it ran for Mayor simply on the “anti-Miller” ticket.
    I guess all those people are wrong about Miller, and you are right. The TEA sure has given us great criticism of the Miller years. Former TEA member Gord Perks was up in arms againstthe Spadina subway extension, but when in office he flip flopped on the idea. What record does Gord Perk have while in office? What has the TEA done for Toronto?

  • Darren

    Well she does have more success in the private sector then all of the other major campaigners

  • http://undefined Solex

    Still believing the the deluded nonsense of there being no peak oil, Darren? Maybe this will change your mind:
    Wishes, Hopes, Fantasieshttp://www.blogger.com/img/blank.gif

  • Darren

    I never mentioned oil, you did
    And unless you’re completely braindead then you should know that your precious transit city is run on electricity made from fossil fuels

  • http://undefined Solex

    Sorry Darren, but TC will be running on electricity; solar, nuclear, or wind (most likely wind, since nuclear is unloved around here). You do know that the government is phasing out the coal-fired plants and the nukes in favor of wind and possibly solar, don’t you? Like it or not, we are going to be proceeding towards a future where cars aren’t really part of Toronto that much.