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No Genies for District 9

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Illustration by Matthew Daley/Torontoist.


District 9 was directed, written, edited, and scored by Neill Blomkamp, Terri Tatchell, Julian Clarke, and Clinton Shorter, respectively—all Canadians. (Blomkamp was born in South Africa but moved to Canada as a teenager.) The film, however, was produced by Peter Jackson’s Wingnut Films (New Zealand) and financed by QED International (USA). Without any Canadian funding, District 9 doesn’t qualify for recognition by the Academy of Canadian Cinema and Television.
Gareth C. Scales, a local editor, is trying to change that. Sales has organized a Facebook group called “Vote for District 9 at the Genies – Help Recognise Canadian Talent!” with the hope that the film will receive some recognition at this year’s awards ceremony. “I wanted to try to show the Academy that it’s more than just me who cares about this issue,” says Scales. “The absolute best possible outcome would be for the Academy to accept that it’s perhaps time to change the rules.”


Judy Lung, communications manager for the Academy, outlined their position to Torontoist. “The Genie Awards celebrate and promote Canadian cinema,” Lung said. “Films that are eligible for a Genie Award must qualify as a Canadian film production or co-production, as defined by CAVCO and/or CRTC criteria. As such, there is no formal procedure for submitting a film that does not qualify under this criteria.”
According to Scales, the CRTC/CAVCO certification creates a situation whereby “films do not have to be 100% Canadian, and can qualify as a co-production….A film with even 5% Canadian funding would qualify, which is why Julie Christie can be nominated and win for her amazing work in Away From Her. Currently the rules are awarding ‘Canadian’ films, and not necessarily Canadian filmmakers.”
This isn’t a new issue. It was covered extensively in the media (at least relative to the usual Genie coverage) in 2007, when director Jason Reitman complained that his film Juno—directed by a Canadian, filmed in Vancouver, and starring Ellen Page and Michael Cera—wasn’t eligible.
“It’s a Canadian director, Canadian stars, Canadian cast, Canadian crew, shot in Canada,” Reitman said at the time. “How are we not eligible for a Genie when David Cronenberg’s film about Russians living in London shot in England with a British crew and British cast is eligible? I’m sorry, but somebody is going to have to explain that to me; I don’t get it.”
But if the problem is reoccurring, with little chance that it will change soon, why does it continue to inspire anger in Canadian cinephiles? The Toronto Star‘s Peter Howell raised that question around the time that Reitman’s comments were making headlines: “So why don’t I just let the matter drop? The reason is that year after year, the Canadian movie industry moans about the lack of support for homegrown talent.” It’s true; if anything, Howell understated the issue. Even people not in the industry seem cognizant of Canadian talent and the negligence towards it, if not its relocation elsewhere. Citing “the Byzantine Genie rules,” Howell continued: “The Genies inspire so little passion in the frozen populace, only people directly involved care about who wins what prize. The viewing audience for the Genies’ telecast is so low, our national taxpayer-funded broadcaster no longer carries it.”

Director Neill Blomkamp’s video for Edwin’s “Let’s Dance,” filmed in Vancouver.

Canadian audiences, much like Canadian talent, largely look elsewhere. In 2007 came the release of Superbad, a film starring Canadians (Cera and Seth Rogen), written by Canadians (Rogen and Evan Goldberg) about growing up in Vancouver. The film grossed over $170 million, but neither it nor Juno were recognized by the Academy; Away From Her and Eastern Promises walked away with the bulk of the awards. This year presents a similar situation, with not only District 9 nominated for Academy Awards—as in, the Oscars—but Reitman’s Up in the Air and James Cameron’s Avatar also considered favourites—the lattermost having the distinction of being the highest grossing film of all time.
Scales makes a point of distancing his cause from extending to films like Avatar. “What I am suggesting,” he says, “is that it is opened up to filmmakers living in Canada as well, who under the same CAVCO regulations are considered Canadian (which is, if you’ve filed taxes in Canada the previous year)….people who aren’t working and living in Canada and aren’t paying taxes into the funding system don’t qualify. Thus, someone like James Cameron wouldn’t be eligible.” (He might be a little biased towards the District 9 team, too. “I know Julian Clarke and Clinton Shorter,” he told us. “They were/are disappointed that they can’t be recognized in their country.”)
While a change in regulations in time for this year’s ceremony seems unlikely, as nominations will be announced in the coming weeks, the Academy—as in, the Genies—claims that they’re open to suggestions. “The Genie Awards rules and regulations are reviewed each year,” says Lung. “Recommendations (for example, to revise eligibility rules, introduce a new category, etc.) can be made by Academy members.”
In the meantime, the Hollywood Reporter summarized the current situation well: “The message: Leave it to other awards shows to honor filmmaking excellence, whatever its origins. The Genies celebrate government support.”

Comments

  • John Semley

    While I don’t agree that the Genies should exist as a platform for rewarding government subsidy, I think that handing out awards to films like D9 (or, lordy, Avatar) poses some problems. Films like these are already huge, and are both best picture nominees at the Academy Awards. They don’t need our support, and they have already captured our attention (and maaaaaaybe even our imaginations). The function of awards shows like the Genies shouldn’t be lauding praise on those who have already received it in spades, but calling attention to more uniquely Canadian features. If you want high-flying genre fare, there’s always stuff like Peter Stebbings’ DEFENDOR (which opens in Toronto this week), a film written, directed, and funded by a Canadian. Sure, 1/4 of its $4M budget came from Telefilm funds, but otherwise Stebbings saved, scrimped, and scammed to raise the rest. The result is an excellent film from a first time director whose ties to Canada amount to more than being born in Chippawa. And funding is of paramount importance. A movie can star Michael Cera, Ellen Page, and be directed by a Reitman, but if there’s no marked sum of Canadian bucks backing it up, what’s the point? We can’t just not fund these films and then try to claim credit after the fact. While the method for deciding what does and does not constitute CanCon can be a bit of a crapshoot, I think the Genies rules (Byzantine or not) work to help smaller, more authentically Canadian features, from being eclipsed by their bigger budgeted half-cousins.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    This just in! American Car company doesn’t win Canadian Award even though there are 2 Canadians working in the plant!
    The Genie’s as afar as I’m concerned don’t celebrate Canadians IN film. They celebrate Film-making a la Canadiana.
    IF there was something REMOTELY Canadian about District 9, then yes it would possibly be up for an award. This is why we have the TORONTO INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL.

  • http://undefined rek

    Generally I don’t give a damn about award shows, but I’ll support this because the issue is legitimate. A film could be entirely Canadian in every imaginable way, but if it isn’t funded by Canadians it doesn’t count? What should the Genies be celebrating and recognizing, our talent or our financing?
    (Also because D9 was great, I saw it three times in theatres.)

  • http://undefined gcs

    Hello,
    What I think would be fair is that the filmmakers involved in “District 9″ are eligible to be recognised for a job well done. I totally agree with you that “Defendor” is a fantastic film. It will hopefully garner praise at next year’s Genies, one of those being a best actor nom for Woody Harrelson. While I think it’s fine that an American star is nominated, I’m suggesting that we also open up the categories to Canadians living in Canada who are supporting the industry with their tax dollars. The filmmakers on “District 9″ have been working on Telefilm funded films for years, and paying back into the system (unlike Woody Harrelson, as an example). They are also all still living in Canada and continue to work on Canadian productions. I’d just like to see people in the Canadian film making community who have decided to remain in Canada and pay into the funding agencies be eligible for the same awards that non-Canadians who have perhaps never even heard of Telefilm and very well might not have set foot in Canada if the film’s a co-production shot abroad.

  • http://undefined John Semley

    Harrleson is okay. But what about Elias Koteas? He’s incredible in that film, and most anything he’s in, from TMNT to The Thin Red Line and scads of Egoyan movies. I think there’s larger problems in Canada, where we have pathologized some cultural cringe inferiority complex, so we sweat about having to get a piece of D9 or Juno, when really we should be going to bat for the Petter Stebbingses, Reg Harkemas, Xavier Dolans, Guy Maddins, Elias Koteases, and Stephen McHattieseseses. Granted, nobody watched the Genies (not even me and I make a point to follow and see Canadian films), but English-Canadian cinema has a enough talent that we should be firstly appreciating as filmgoers, and then officially awarding them, before looking for how some blockbusting wannabe-thinkpiece is tangentially related to the Canadian film industry.

  • http://www.calmaclean.com Cal MacLean

    I don’t think it’s a case of celebrating either domestic films *or* U.S. blockbusters, we should be able to recognize talent from both. In fact, incorporating the latter–films people actually seem to be aware of–might even draw attention to Canadians films that go unnoticed.

  • http://undefined gcs

    I totally agree with Cal’s point. If, say, Ellen Page had been nom’d for her role in “Juno” (because, at the time of filming she was living in Canada and had paid taxes the previous year as per CAVCO rules) and people tuned in and saw McHattie nom’d for something else (as an example) then perhaps, when they came across an add for “Pontypool” 3 months later in their local paper they may be more inclined to see it. It just adds a higher profile to English Canadian filmmakers, and we need all the help we can get.

  • http://undefined John Semley

    That’s true, and I’m all for raising the profile of good Canadian features however we can. I just worry that when a film like Juno or District 9 comes into the fold, it runs the risk of steamrolling any other hopefuls.
    Also, maybe the Pontypool ads should have billed him as Stephen “Elaine’s Psychiatrist from SEINFELD” McHattie.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    By that logic, everything by Walt Disney Studios should be Canadian as almost the entire production staff IS Canadian, but it’s funded by the U.S.
    You want to be recognized IN Canada, you keep the money IN Canada. The Academy’s would treat a truly 100% Canadian film the same.

  • http://undefined rek

    Either the talent is Canadian or it isn’t, why does it matter who writes their cheques?

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    Taxes? Sustainable Industry? Future Funding? Basic Economics?

  • http://undefined John Semley

    Yeah. All those things. Recognition, especially for emerging filmmakers, helps cement their reputation, saleability, and general cache, which further fortifies the Canadian film industry, stimulates change in the existent distribution problems that often plague domestic productions, and boosts the overall economy (though this probably butterfly effect territory).

  • http://undefined gcs

    Are you talking about Canadians living in Canada on the Disney films? Or are you talking about people living in the States?
    It’s the same case for “The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus”. The Art Director and Production Designer live and work in Canada and did a fantastic job on it. Shouldn’t they be as eligible for an award as Hamed Hemdan, one of the Production Designers on “Cairo Time”?
    Or do you think it should only be Canadians on Canadian films?

  • http://www.calmaclean.com Cal MacLean

    torontothegreat, are you suggesting that the current system–recognition only for Canadian funded films–is fine and needs no change?

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    No, I think it should be American Studio Dollars = American Awards. Canadian Studio/Gov’t (as it may be) Dollars = Canadian Awards.
    As far as I know an entire Canadian production wouldn’t be eligible for an Academy for the same reason, save for an international category.
    So maybe a “best mentions” or “international recognition” award is in order? If it’s just about cache/recognition.
    Otherwise with the amount of Canadians involved in the industry in the U.S., the Genie’s would just be a repeat of the Academy’s. Which (IMHO) would diminish the status of the awards even more.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    Yes and my reasoning is, blaming the Genie’s for a failing film industry doesn’t seem too logical to me. It’s a very small part (albeit, in the limelight the most) of the problem.

  • mikeyteeth

    Forget the Genies. Less relevant than the Junos.
    It’s nice that the organization wants to support the Canadian film industry, but film is an international industry that sees people from all over the world coming together to collaborate. And in the English speaking world all roads lead to Hollywood’s endless cash supply so a talent drain is inevitable.
    It’s time to start a NEW award that celebrates Canadians’ contributions to film around the world. You could have separate categories for International Films to get your Camerons and your Ceras walking the red carpet to lend some glitz to the show but maintain a Canadian Financed category so lesser known Canadian talents can get their share of the spotlight. This would be a ratings hit (Canadians sure love to pat ourselves on the back for breaking through elsewhere in the world), and it would bolster the Canadian industry by getting more Canadians paying attention.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    I really like this idea!

  • http://undefined gcs

    I do too… it could be called “The Louis”, all in the spirit of Riel and such (and the name is inclusive of French and First Nations film making as well).
    Anyone want to get together and organise it? We could hold it at The Royal, sometime around the Genies to make sure everyone’s in town, get a liquor license to create some excitement…

  • http://undefined John Semley

    I am super into this idea. how about the Metis awards? winners could be called ‘Mateys,’ which also brings our rich nautical heritage into the fold. I also know the programmer at the Royal and he is always looking for clever ways to put asses in the seats.

  • http://undefined whynot

    Why not just keep the Best Picture category for a Canadian funded film. All others, like Director, Actor, Editor, Composer etc be for Canadian citizens. You’d get the best of both.

  • http://www.torontoist.com David Topping

    We’re basically talking something like the Polaris Prize for movies, yeah? But multiple awards, and that. It’s a great idea.
    …but who would fund it?

  • http://undefined whynot

    Sorry, I was speaking to modifying the Genies, not creating a new awards show.
    Keep the Best Picture category for a Canadian funded film, then modify the Director, Actor, Editor, Composer etc categories to be for Canadian citizens.

  • http://undefined gcs

    Maybe some from Telefilm, OMDC, etc but what about the Canadian Film Centre? Alliance? Lionsgate? Even something like Warner Bros Canada or Sony Entertainment… they’d probably be all too glad to have their films hyped more.
    It wouldn’t be THAT hard to hold an inaugural event, and it’d be a really great year to do it, with the success of “D9″ and others. Stacey from The Royal is (in theory) into the idea. They’d be a great host for it as they’re trying to do more live events and the like.

  • http://undefined gcs

    That idea is basically what started this whole thing… the Best Picture Category could never be anything but a Canadian Film, as it’s the only one that would be judged strictly on funding. Everything else could be opened up to tax paying Canadians as well.

  • http://undefined whynot

    Yes, but it seems as though this point has been missed by most of the comments here. IE I think that handing out awards to films like D9…..Walt Disney Studios should be Canadian as almost the entire production staff IS Canadian. We’re talking about recognition of individuals that are currently ineligible, not productions.

  • rek

    “Taxes? Sustainable Industry? Future Funding? Basic Economics?”
    It’s a film award, not a tax refund, a chit to be exchanged for subsidies, or anything else of the sort.
    If someone is a Canadian citizen, their film was released on screens in Canada, giving them a Canadian award makes perfect sense even if 100% of the funding came from Argentina.
    The state of the (English) Canadian film industry isn’t the Genie’s fault, but if the Genies can be tweaked in such a way that they help out, why not?
    The awards are for best picture, best actor, etc, not best accountant.

  • http://undefined whynot

    So Eastern Promises is “a la canadiana”?

  • http://undefined CaligulaJones

    Damn, you beat me to it. A perfect example of the non-Canadian, Canadian movie.

  • http://undefined CaligulaJones
  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    What the hell are you talking about? Seems pretty well rooted in Canada to me:
    David Paul Cronenberg, OC, FRSC (born March 15, 1943)[1] is a Canadian filmmaker, screenwriter, Cronenberg was born in Toronto, Ontario, where he currently lives.
    Robert Lantos, CM (born 3 April 1949) is a Canadian film producer.
    Howard Leslie Shore (born October 18, 1946) is a Canadian composer
    Ronald Sanders is a Canadian film editor and television producer.
    Studio Focus Features (presents)
    in association with
    BBC Films
    in association with
    Astral Media, (Can)
    Corus Entertainment (Can)
    and Téléfilm Canada (Can)
    a Kudos Pictures/
    Serendipity Point Films production (Can)
    in association with
    Scion Films
    Distributed by Focus Features (USA)
    Alliance Films (Canada)
    Pathé (UK/France)

  • http://undefined CaligulaJones

    Well, if by “rooted in Canada” you mean:
    - not filmed in Canada
    - not filmed with a Canadian crew
    - not employing Canadian actors
    - not telling a Canadian story
    then, yeah, I guess that is quite “rooted in Canada”.
    BTW, everytime I paddle past Lantos’ massive island up on Muskoka, I ask myself: since I helped pay for every movie he’s ever made, can I at least sit on his dock for a few minutes?
    The man has being calling himself a producer using OPM (i.e, taxpayers) for all his career.
    Oh, wait, I guess his island is pretty “rooted in Canada”, so that might count. My bad
    Much like Canada’s music laws, where Neil Young, who hasn’t lived in Canada in almost 45 years, could record a song he wrote, in Los Angeles, with Beyonce, and have it considred “Can Con”, but Neil Peart, who lives in Canada, would record a Beatles song in a studio in Toronto, but it wouldn’t be “Can Con” if he had the audacity to Mutt Lange to produce it.
    If you want commerce, call it commerce. If you want art, call it art. But when you want politics, call in the bureaucrats…

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    No, if you follow my commentary, by “rooted” in canada I mean it was FUNDED with a large portion of Canadian Dollars.
    I also think it’s pretty naive of you to think that Film making is possibly WITHOUT Commerce, Art OR Politics. The 3 are absolutely necessary in filmmaking and distribution.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    Awards HAVE to have rules & regulations, are you saying otherwise?
    “It’s a film award, not a tax refund, a chit to be exchanged for subsidies, or anything else of the sort.”
    You missed my point completely. You claimed that it doesn’t matter who writes their cheques. I gave you 4 examples of how it affects us as a country or to answer the question of WHY it matters. You either totally missed that or you’re choosing to avoid it by providing another set of debatable point(s).

  • http://undefined CaligulaJones

    Thanks, but your argument wasn’t THAT hard to follow…geeze, we know you are saying: someone with some relation at some time to Canada cut a check, a movie got made, therefore, it is Canadian.
    The counterpoint is that a movie NOT actually made in Canada, NOR employing Canadian actors, NOR telling a Canadian story, is somehow a Canadian movie according to the same people who are denying District 9. THAT’s where the politics and bureaucrats come in. Did you even read the link to Jim Henshaw’s blog about it? Says more than I can, so please do.
    Let’s face it, most Genie-awarded movies are made by people who live in the Annex for people who live in the Annex. Screw Parry Sound, although the good taxpayers there pay for the movies to be made. THAT’s the Arts part.
    Nowhere in Canadia cinema does Commerce come into it at all.
    So, I guess what I’m saying, in the old “pick two of three”, movie makers in Canada have gone with Art and Politics. Which means we give awards to a clannish clique every year, for movies that most of us haven’t seen, and probably don’t want to.
    In other, other words: the unemployable (without taxpayer funds) making the unviewable for the great unwashable…

  • John Semley

    Caligula makes an okay point w/r/t to the cliquish aspect, but there’s a widespread assumption that nobody cares about Canadian films or sees them. groups like the First Weekend Club and the TIFF-funded Film Circuit are working to raise the profile of Canadian features, well outside of Toronto. Film Circuit brings Canadian features to underserviced populations, offering a reprieve from multiplex fare, and is entirely community-run by volunteers responding to an apparent demand to see Canada features. The Annex argument is a bit fallacious too, as the bulk of high profile Canadian films are either Quebecois. And with Guy Maddin slowly assuming his proper place as our most valued domestic auteur, more people are seeing films about places outside of the GTA (see also: the recent High Life). There are scads of people, believe it or not, who wants to see Canadian features. It’s a bit of a chicken-egg game to say that nobody wants to see them because nobody sees them.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    You’ve lost me with:
    “Nowhere in Canadia cinema does Commerce come into it at all.”
    I didn’t realize films in Canada were strictly created by volunteerism.
    Although I cannot refute this: In other, other words: the unemployable (without taxpayer funds) making the unviewable for the great unwashable…”
    It’s a good perspective, something for me to think about. The movie My Winnipeg comes to mind.

  • John Semley

    except that some people love My Winnipeg. i’ve seen it like 6 times (though I’m still partial to The Saddest Music in the World). everyone’s entitled to their own taste, but it’s not like they cook these films up over at 2 Carlton so they can give them awards come TIFF. plus it’s not as if all these films are 1005 subsidized. initiatives like From Script to Screen function more as incentives for filmmakers (to write, to direct, and to scrounge up most of their own funding) than blank cheques.

  • http://undefined rek

    “Awards HAVE to have rules & regulations, are you saying otherwise?”
    I said nothing about eliminating the rules. I’m a little shocked at how blatant that strawman is.
    “You missed my point completely. You claimed that it doesn’t matter who writes their cheques. I gave you 4 examples of how it affects us as a country or to answer the question of WHY it matters. You either totally missed that or you’re choosing to avoid it by providing another set of debatable point(s).”
    I missed your point because it’s irrelevant to the discussion. None of that has anything to do with what the best picture of the year was, or who did the best editing.
    If you think it’s the job of the Genies to reward economic stimulation in the Canadian film industry, you should be supporting changing the nomination rules to include Canadians working in film in Canada. District 9 was written in Canada, by Canadians. Some of the special effects were done by a Canadian company, in Canada. It was directed by a Canadian. But their work isn’t going to be recognized by the Genies because the money came from the US and New Zealand and elsewhere.

  • http://undefined rek

    Scotiabank Presents the Louis Riel Award.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    “If someone is a Canadian citizen, their film was released on screens in Canada, giving them a Canadian award makes perfect sense even if 100% of the funding came from Argentina.”
    “I said nothing about eliminating the rules. I’m a little shocked at how blatant that strawman is.”
    CONFLICT ALERT!
    A rule of the Genie’s is that it must be Canadian funded :P
    “District 9 was written in Canada, by Canadians. Some of the special effects were done by a Canadian company, in Canada. It was directed by a Canadian. But their work isn’t going to be recognized by the Genies because the money came from the US and New Zealand and elsewhere.” & shot on location in Chiawelo, Soweto (Not in Canada).*
    You’re not talking about eliminating those pesky rules again are you?
    And some of the visual effects were done in Canada.
    “Weta Digital designed the mothership and the drop ship, while the exo-suit and the little pets were designed by The Embassy Visual Effects. Zoic Studios performed overflow 2D work.[18] On-set live special effects were created by MXFX”
    So when you say some you really man a little bit.
    *emphasis added, also just wanted to add the location of the shoot as you omitted it.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    My Winnipeg was just an example, take it for what its worth. The only people I know that like this film are not from Winnipeg.

  • http://undefined rek

    “A rule of the Genie’s is that it must be Canadian funded :P
    READING COMPREHENSION ALERT!
    The article and this whole discussion is explicitly about changing that rule to allow Canadian talent in foreign-funded films into the nomination pool. How did you scroll this far down and not realize that?
    Really now.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat
  • Malcolm Tucker

    I’m sure the makers of District 9 are all torn up about the lack of a Genie nom.
    I guess they just have to be content with the Oscar noms (you know, the awards people actually give a sh*t about).

  • http://undefined rek

    The rest of this discussion is just me facepalming every time you post.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    lol, we just never seem to mesh

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    I realize this post is old/archived now. But friends and I actually gave this a good debate over the weekend. One of the questions that we debated was: Would the content of shows such as Corner Gas (which is popular in the U.S.), SCTV, The Hour or Royal Canadian Air Farce (to name a few) be changed if US/CAN cross-pollination was allowed at the Genie’s?
    These films that we’re debating in this thread have very little to do (or nothing at all) with Canadiana.
    Would bands such as The Tragically Hip be thrown to the wayside if American Funded bands could get a Juno?
    I think these are all valid questions as to why we should protect our own.

  • rek

    You’re talking about awarding specific content rather than talent. Who decides if a film/show is “Canadiana” enough?
    ReGenesis was set in Toronto, but it was about a multi-national team of scientists dealing with bioengineered viruses and mutated infectious bacteria, not mounties and maple syrup, would it qualify?

  • John Semley

    guys let’s quit chasing each other’s tails and write a movie about a bioengineered mutated infectious maple syrup, with a score by RUSH, starring elias koteas and colm feore as buddy cops, and just take every goddamn juno under the sun.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    Good point(s). But isn’t content/Canadiana generally a by-product of the funding? As in, if an American Producer had funded Corner Gas, they could weigh in on decisions on content. This content, because it’s protected by these standards and funding (the 2 are hand in hand) is essentially protected? Think The Tragically Hip, especially.
    Or is this where we differ?
    And c’mon Mounties and Maple Syrup? I know you’re being facetious but please. Canadiana is MUCH larger than that.

  • http://undefined gcs

    If we’re using bands as an analogy, if the band lived in Vancouver, were part of the indie scene and had a big name label ask them to record an album, then sure they should be nom’d for a Juno. Why not?
    If the band is part of the Canadian artistic scene, paying taxes into that scene and remained part of it then well done for them.
    The point is, these filmmakers (and others as well) are part of the Canadian art scene and pay taxes into it – taxes that go directly into funding Canadian films. If they live, eat, work, exist in Canada I think that they should as eligible for an award as someone who has never stepped foot in Canada but happens to be working on a film where just 5% of the funding is Canadian.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    In the case of The Hip. They are backed by Universal Canada. The “money” made off of the media is taxed here, the people that work for Universal are taxed here. This is the bulk of the money (from the label), in the case of movies, the bulk of money comes from the investors. So it’s very relevant where the investor is located. Mr. Sound Guy or Key Grip, are a pittance in comparison.
    My bigger issue is the content however. I fear that changing the rules will also change the content. A band like the Hip, are quite Canadian in their lyrics and they are also pretty much unknown in the U.S.A. If they were marketed to the U.S. markets the label might ask them to “Un-Canadianify” their lyrics to some degree and they would most likely oblige, move to L.A. and be neighbours with Neil Young (who should NOT be eligible to win a Juno)
    We have successes with Canadian content, Canadian production and Canadian investors, within our borders and outside of our borders. Why change this?
    “If they live, eat, work, exist in Canada I think that they should as eligible for an award as someone who has never stepped foot in Canada but happens to be working on a film where just 5% of the funding is Canadian.”
    Is that possible? Doesn’t the film have to be 100% Canadian?
    Maybe this is where I’m going astray.

  • http://undefined rek

    “But isn’t content/Canadiana generally a by-product of the funding? As in, if an American Producer had funded Corner Gas, they could weigh in on decisions on content. This content, because it’s protected by these standards and funding (the 2 are hand in hand) is essentially protected?”
    This is coming back to funding being the only qualifier for something being Canadian, which really shouldn’t be the case. Deepa Mehta’s Water is a Canadian film, but it was set and shot in India, about Indian women in a uniquely Indian situation and context. The film was partly funded and distributed by Canadians, so under the current rules it qualifies as a Canadian film. As a Canadian citizen/resident Mehta and as a film released in Canada, it would qualify under my preferred nominee rules. It wouldn’t qualify at all under ‘Canadiana’ rules. (I haven’t seen Water so maybe I’m wrong and there’s a trip to Canada or something somewhere in there, but it’s easy to conceive of an example along these lines.)
    Whether someone is a Canadian talent is a much simpler matter. Do they live and work here? If they do, recognizing them supports the industry as a whole and personal acknowledgment encourages them to stay and do more (and they’re paying taxes in Canada, if that’s what really matters).
    Two nights ago I got into a conversation with a friend of a friend, who works in the Canadian film industry. According to her the Canadian film industry is dying a slow death thanks to funding requirements and a virtual monopoly on distribution. Canadian films with too much backing don’t qualify for the funds that would make all the difference when it comes time to market the film to Canadian audiences. Then when it comes time to distribute it, E1 buys it for $100k and lets it go direct to disc or run in 10 theatres for a week because they don’t expect to make money off it. She thinks the industry has 10-15 more years and then it’ll be gone.
    If we want a thriving and internationally-recognized film and television industry and pool of high quality titles, we need to extend CanCon to theatre screens (as they do in Quebec), and stop letting Canadian imprints of American shows and cheap-to-produce news/gossip shows qualify as CanCon. (I think if CTV wants to air 8 hours of American drama a week, they should have to air 2-3 hours of Canadian drama too, not just 2-3 hours of anything Canadian-made.)

  • http://undefined rek

    And re: CanCon
    It makes certain people grumble, but there’s no denying it’s worked in Canadian music. Not just pop stars either; we’ve reached the point where we debate whether certain indie rock bands should be eligible for the Polaris Prize (they don’t need the financial help, they’re qualified successes here and south of the border and beyond), and lament the Junos being so out of touch with what Canadians are listening to.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    Thanks for taking the time to reply in such detail, yowzers!
    From what I hear you saying is that I’m comparing apples and oranges perhaps with music vs film. I don’t really want to continue the convo as I obviously have more to learn about the CanFilm industry, cause you raise some very valid points that are very difficult to refute.