They Heard The News Today, Oh Boy: Sleeping TTC Collector Edition

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39 Comments January 25, 2010 at 9:30 am

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Every so often, the internet reminds us that it is a horrible place. They Heard the News Today, Oh Boy seeks to combat that by collecting the worst of the worst comments from Toronto news sites and punishing them with words of our own.

Sometimes, you never know what’s going to make the vox populi explode. If you had told us that the biggest news story of last week would be a scandal involving a sleeping TTC ticket collector which turned into an internet meme, we probably would have looked at you funny. But this news story wasn’t just about one sleeping collector, as much as numerous commentators who wanted to pretend that falling asleep on the job never, ever happens in the private sector, and that in the private sector you get fired the moment you do anything that doesn’t profit your employer directly. (Aside: a friend of ours commented to us over the weekend that it took him six months to get permission to fire a delinquent, non-unionized employee in his private sector firm, and that said permission was ultimately rescinded.)
No, this story was really about people expressing their rage at the TTC for sucking in all the little ways that the TTC sucks to their minds, some of which are of course unjustified or simply silly, and others completely reasonable (not that a lot of those showed up on the internet). Combine that with the usual band of “no really I totally live in Toronto” commenters willing to bash anything not in line with their personal worldviews, and a truly boneheaded response from the TTC union representative, and you had a full-fledged internet brouhaha forming at the Sun, Star, Globe, and Post. With extra ha.

Yes, But If Steve Jobs Takes Over The TTC, All The Subways Will Be Creamy-White With Rounded Corners And Cost Twice As Much As A Regular Subway

If You’re Going To Criticize Other People For Their Spelling And Grammar, You Should First Learn To Properly Use Apostrophes

Wait, What Does Sid Ryan Have To Do With The Sleeping Guy? Are You Going To Start Warning Us About Fluoridation Next?

I Disapprove Of Those Punk Kids With Their Hippity-Hop Music And Their Big Pants

And Then Those Union Pilots Always Crash On Tropical Islands With Polar Bears On Them And You Can’t Get A Job Because The Polar Bears Are All Unionized

Even By “Internet Wacko Quoting The Bible” Standards Your Argument Makes No Sense At All, Unless You Think Unions Are The Reason Your Wife Left You For The Milkman

Public Service: Link Contains Malware (And Also Lacks Delicious Chocolate)

“Fact Cats” Are What Happens When LOLCats Become Members Of The Teamsters

I’m Not Sure, But I Think This Person Is Complaining That Busses Are Using Bus-Only Lanes

You Heard It Here First: Public Service Unions Are The Reason That The Toronto Maple Leafs Do Not Score Enough Goals To Win Hockey Games

Somebody Should Totally Start Marketing “Parliament Pirogies.” They Would Make A Fortune

Eeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

This Guy Was Commenting In Every Single Post Saying How The TTC Should Hire Him And How The TTC Sucks And That’s Why They Should Hire Him And I Don’t Think He’s Handling His Job Search Entirely Right

Doncha Just Love It When Racists Point Out How Stupid They Are?

In Fairness, The Collector Guy Does Have A Really Impressive Old-Timey Moustache

…Wait, What Now?

Where Does “Real Toronto” Begin? I Ask For The Sake Of Accuracy

…Well, It Still Makes More Sense Than Crash Did

I Don’t Think That Word Means What You Think It Means

And As Always, We Close With A Sad Truth

Comments

http://undefined Craig C

Great selection of insanity.
You left out one thing: if Steve Jobs took over, we’d be told that the Total Cost of Ridership was actually less as a result of ridiculous fare increases.
http://undefined Darren

What part of “real Torontonian” don’t you idiots get?
Chicago has a residency bylaw for municipal employees and its time we did that here.
That comment about Colburg is spot on! If you dont live here then dont derive a wage from my taxes. And yes it matters!
http://undefined Peter K

I’ll have to disagree with that plan for a couple of reasons:
1. It’s become too expensive for many people to live in the city proper. This means we’d all likely have to pay higher taxes to pay the resulting higher salaries that would undoubtedly result.
2. This TTC joker aside, in theory you hire the best people for the job. By limiting your pool of potential employees you are quite possibly eliminating very good talent.
3. It’s an unenforceable plan. Anyone could head over to the UPS Store and get a Toronto PO Box “address”.
4. Current employees who live outside the city limits would legally be entitled to severance packages. How much would that cost?
5. You can’t discriminate in Canada based on where someone lives, so very likely the entire concept is unconstitutional.
I’m sure there are a plethora of other reasons people can think of. These are just off the top of my head.
http://undefined Darren

Peter, alot of people choose to make their life more expensive. I live in a home which was a part of TO built in the 30s for mainly Irish immigrants families. Which family you think was larger, theirs or the modern one? People choose to demand bigger and more expensive homes, and they raise their kids like that. That why we have a current generation of financial deadbeats.
Job pools grow based on the demand for that labour. A phasd in residency bylaw means that over a handful of years people must live here to work for the city. Its their choice after that. Dont move here and we can dock them a small tax, say a 0.5% administrative tax or whatever. Niagara falls charges its own sales tax. Im sure we can pull off an income tax on municipal employees who refuse to move here.
Its enforceable. Check out the numerous lawsuits and dismissals brought on by Chicago against people found cheating.
Its not discrimination, its about choice. Alot of people chose to leave, not for finacial gains but because they wanted to live one lifestyle yet work in another. Some did it to avoid multi-culturlism. Lets face it, many areas of the GTA have become little ethinc enclaves.
http://piorkowski.ca/ qviri

And sometimes, you don’t even have to hop over to the Sun’s website.
http://undefined rek

YOU SOUND LIKE A COMMUNIST
http://undefined spacejack

Hooray for another leftist reaffirmation sermon!
http://undefined xtremesniper

I’m really saddened that Darren, the prime example of everything that is wrong with a self-obsessed Torontonian, has found this site and is commenting on its articles. All he ever does is troll every TTC related article on the net in hopes to post his propaganda bullcrap. “If you don’t live in Toronto, you shouldn’t be allowed to use the TTC”. What the hell kind of mentality is that? It’s people like you who are the reason why transit in the GTA is so crappy. It’s people like you who give people the impression that the world ends at Steeles Ave. It’s people like you who have hindered the efforts of the transit enthusiasts to get people out of their cars.
Face it. People work, play and live in Toronto, but not everyone can or wants to live south of Steeles. The sooner you get your face out of your own ass, the sooner you’d realize that you’d be doing us all a favour if you would stop attempting to get people to hate on the 905ers simply because they have to work in the financial district downtown and can’t afford to buy a condo on the waterfront.
Enough is enough. Can’t you see that you’re a one man army? Your ideals are all ass-backwards.
http://undefined mark.

Yeah, no shit, eh? Check out this gem: http://torontoist.com/2010/01/chattering_classes_to_stephen_harper_prorogue_this.php#comment-2453058
http://undefined Darren

Hey, never said people shouldnt use the TTC. But feel free to put words in mouth. Im sure you wont be the last, as there is a lot of hate out there when people dont like what they hear.
People chose where to live and work pal. I believe that the TTC cant extend subway lines any further, inside or outside TO, and thats why Im in favour new lines lile the DRL. Why limit the dialogue? So when people were stepping in fron of bulldozers trying to stop the Allen that was ok. But Im wrong in echoing what the TTC said that a year ago that the Yonge line is at maximum capacity and cant be extended another inch without first the creation of the DRL?
Yeah…ass backwards.
http://undefined Darren

Yeah…because all conservatives (note the lower case C) are all bad. My god Mark, please cast the first stone at everyone who disagrees with your political views.
http://undefined Darren

xtremesnipe, I have a passion for my city and its backbone the TTC. I admit that. But Im not going to turn the other cheek and just assume that the people who are controlling its density must be doing the right thing because obviously they have their own interests. The TTC is being watered down via that extension to Vaughan, and its only a matter of time before that section of the subway is too congested for Torontonians to use. I dont believe that is a healthy way to manage a transit system which we rely on.
I believe density within TO would bring with it a better quality of life here in the city. What the TTC is doing with a subway extension is counter to density as it creates a reason for further sprawl. If you want to see “ass backward” then that is it. Other cities are growing while we’re struggling
http://www.torontoist.com David Topping

“All he ever does is troll every TTC related article on the net in hopes to post his propaganda bullcrap.”
And all you have to do if you really don’t like his comments—all anyone has to do if they really don’t like his comments—is ignore him.
http://undefined mark.

What are my ‘politics,’ Darren? Unless your answer includes references to Ranciere and Badiou, you haven’t got a clue. In fact, I bet you couldn’t even give a definition of politics. I’m not ‘opposed’ to conservatives, but you -based on the comments you’ve left here and elsewhere- are not a conservative at all. A neo-liberal at best; an ignorant ideologue at worst. You remind me a bit of Thrasymachus, but he was smarter.
What I find most distasteful and absolutely annoying about your comments, Darren, is that you don’t actually respond reasonably when someone calls you on your bullshit. You refer to other things, conflate issues and your biggest ‘crime’ is the personal insults. You don’t engage in dialogue, but merely find excuses to repeat incoherent tirades about your pet issues. I’ve tried having a reasoned discussion with you, but I quickly lost interest… much like I do with a drunk guy who also thinks he’s got it all figured out. You think you’ve got all the answers – so I see no reason for you to pretend you’re trying to present yourself as ‘disagreeing.’ To disagree with someone is to consider the other’s argument – and you do not do this (see Ranciere). And, while I’m tempted to dismiss you and not bother responding to you anymore, I encourage you to post a reply here so I may continue to rip on you.
http://undefined xtremesniper

Let’s get a few things straight. I have been reading your comments for at least a year or two now, and I have in fact replied to them a few times before realizing that it was of no use because you were so stuck in your ways. You yourself say that “there is a lot of hate out there when people dont like what they hear”. Yeah, well, you’ve never been one to listen to what others have to say.
I can go back through the various sites I have seen you comment on to pull up ridiculous quotes, but there would be no point because you’re bound to say them again here anyway.
I am a transit enthusiast. To this day, I hate the fact that projects for transportation have failed for years because of NIMBYs and the general empty-stupidity of politicians. I’ve always been a proponent of the DRL, and intensification of transit in the core. But that doesn’t mean that I will turn my backs to those who live in the suburbs. Let’s be real for a second here: Most people don’t have a “choice” of where to live. Either they live in an area because their parents decided they would raise their family there, or they just can’t afford to move into a more intensified area where transit would be more abundant.
Fact of the matter is, the GTA was a victim of the oil-obsessed era where urban sprawl went out of control for years. Now we have to fix what was screwed up for years. The ONLY way to get intensification in areas of sprawl right now is to put efficient and reliable transit alternatives in the area.
People call the Sheppard subway a waste. But look at it now, the street is lined with high rise buildings and the population is rising rapidly. That would not have been the case had the subway line not been built.
We can agree on one thing. I think the extension to Vaughan is pretty useless. However, I am 100% for the extension into Richmond Hill. Any argument you can make about why it would be a bad idea can be countered easily. For starters, critics of the extension (like yourself) seem to ignore the details of the extension such as the fact that every other train will depart southbound from Finch station completely empty. For starters, that is already much better than what we have right now, which is usually a packed train before it even reaches Sheppard.
Also, as part of the agreement, the Bloor station will be getting funding for a complete renovation and revamp. In addition, the extension is getting the DRL much needed publicity as a viable project that should have been completed years ago. Without the Yonge extension, your precious core projects would be for naught.
The age of sprawl is over, don’t you get it? Even the Town of Markham has understood this and has now imposed a restriction on any further development into its farmlands. All future development now must consist of intensification of existing areas. The catch? Transit investment must happen now so that those new residents have a way to get places without having to rely on cars.
The GTA is one of the few regions in the world that has multiple “downtowns”. The core is not the only “core”. We have city centres along Yonge at Eglinton, Sheppard, and beyond even well into Richmond Hill and Aurora, and even Scarborough has a city centre, among other examples. Why? Because all these municipalities used to not exist as a mega-city before and had their own downtowns.
Do you get it now? Do you understand why we have to stop with this 416 vs 905 bullcrap that has been impeding transit development for years? What the hell is the meaning of the double-fare to cross Steeles, anyway? It’s stupid rules like this that makes us all still drive our cars to this day. You can have your intensification of downtown, but you simply cannot turn your back on the rest of the region simply because they don’t live 10 minutes from the CN Tower.
http://undefined xtremesniper

And yes, I realize I forgot to hit “reply” before writing that. Consider that a reply.
http://undefined xtremesniper

Not necessarily. I usually ignore him, but he comments on EVERY article so I am forced to see his sad arguments everywhere I go. And the thing is, people read them. And to think that some people might be swayed to agree with him (which thankfully is something I have yet to see) is a terrifying thought. So this time I figured I would say something.
http://undefined Darren

Yes, I figured that was a reply. Its ok we all make technical mistakes.
And yes I understand for many people it wasnt a choice to live miles and miles from their employment. But its not just the oil culture. Its the lack of a greenbelt or any belt. If for a second we imagine that Toronto was an island like Montreal or Manhattan, then people would have build up before they built outwards. The lack of density, not just here but anywhere, brings with it the idea that people live in A and work in C and will drive through B to get there. Those cores you mentioned have jobs but nowhere close to the job density in Toronto’s core.
Paying a second fare isnt always meaningless for crossing Steeles. It works both ways btw. If paid the doubel fare to visit Richmond Hill on many occasions. All that could be eliminated with distance based fard. If we had distance based fares then people wouldnt necesarily pay extra to cross Steeles but would pay a fare based on the distance travelled in either direction. We can only come close to acheiving that fare system if the province came back to funding the TTC and every other local transit system so there isnt the purpose for the double fare. We’re nowhere near this because our politicians are content with the status quo.
http://undefined Darren

Mark, yes please continue to rip me. You have yet though to ask me my politics, yet you are willing to assume that I do not want to learn yours.
http://undefined xtremesniper

Agreed on that count. But if it wasn’t for the fact that we went oil crazy, we wouldn’t have built outwards so far simply because it would cost far too much to get anywhere. That would by nature force us to build self-sufficient communities where one can work, play, and live without having to travel far. Unfortunately, we missed that boat. And so here we are. It took us long enough to realize our mistakes, but only now are we starting to see the light, and we have a lot of catching up to do.
I have come to the realization that I do almost all my work and play outside of the neighborhood in which I live in. But to make up for this I try my best to take transit whenever I can because I know that most people are followers, and if they start seeing some people doing the “impossible” (being self-sufficient with just transit) then they might give it a try too if they have the opportunity. It’s a bit of a stretch, but I have been seeing transit use rise in the 905 lately, and it’s a trend I like to see continue. Our roads cannot handle the crush of cars going to and from places anymore. It’s not even an issue of people going into Toronto anymore. Arterial roads such as Highway 7, 16th Avenue, Steeles Ave, Finch Ave, Sheppard Ave, and all these other east/west roads that don’t even go anywhere near the core are just getting more and more congested.
Regardless, provincial and federal funding for transit needs to come back into play, definitely. Unfortunately until the TTC stops handing out 80% of its revenue to union wages, the governments will be forever hesitant to fund the system in any way outside of a strict per-project basis.
http://undefined Darren

Sorry, I forgot to address the subway extension. We’ve been promised alot about turning back trains and improved signalling systems. These items ignore that with a two track line delays will always exist. The signal improvements are years and years away and are held up in a lawsuit over the tender. Markham’s actions are too little too late. Will Richmond Hill do the same, or will us extending a subway 4 stops further mean that urban sprawl will be extended an equal distance further north? Sheppard has seen development but its condos with masive parking lots. Its not even a viable subway without a connection to Downsview. How many of those stations along that line will ever have their air right sold to developers? Are we going to see the same on the Spadina extension with glass structures for stations?
I think these are relevant questions which makes you wonder why those planning these things are continuing this cycle that doesnt bring the density near those extensions. The DRL would be logically be a priority not as a side effect of a Yonge extension but as a prerequisite.
Anyway, you’ve obviously seen what I’ve said about this before. So I apologise for repeating, and goodnight.
http://undefined mark.

Darren: you write, “Mark, yes please continue to rip me. You have yet though to ask me my politics, yet you are willing to assume that I do not want to learn yours.”
With “you have yet though to ask me my politics” you are implying that I’m coming out of nowhere when just prior to this you said, “My god Mark [sic], please cast the first stone at everyone who disagrees with your political views.” This is a good example of what I mean when I say you do not reply reasonably to people. You are goading people then playing innocent when they, again, call you on your bullshit. This is really similar to what a stereotypical ‘deranged mother’ would do – nag you repeatedly about something, then when that ‘something’ becomes ‘real,’ ignore it, act like it never crossed your mind, that it’s a surprise, etc. My theory, here, is further supported by your use of “yes please continue…” – you are suggesting that I am some ass that’s startled you, and you so surprised, polite and humbled even though you have repeatedly insulted people, their intelligence and their ideas.
I will not ask you of ‘your politics,’ Darren. Your answers would only bring boring tropes and cliches (prove me wrong). Instead, I will ask you what you think ‘politics’ means. To provide a means for you to continue your ways, I will also ask you to explain why you think people that work to support poor people and seek to eradicate poverty are “bottom of the barrel people.”
http://undefined xtremesniper

Well the point with the signal improvements is that they’re coming… which is a much better situation than we were in before where they weren’t even in the works at all. Better late than never. Also, with the new trains coming in, they’ll be able to fit another car in the existing platforms and the lack of walls in-between cars together amounts to a few hundred more people that can pack onto a train. This would make the world of difference in the grand scheme of things when a station is packed with people.
And as a matter of fact, at least 3 locations along the proposed subway extension have developers planning massive intensification projects, including one of which that is listed as a “Places to Grow” location. Just one station alone (Langstaff) has a park-n-ride parking lot planned for it, alongside a development for about 30,000 new residents in a small plot of land between Yonge and Bayview where it is currently an industrial wasteland. Without the subway extension, that plan will go down the drain.
Also, the existing Richmond Hill Centre has a developer who is prepared to demolish everything in that entire stretch to re-build it from the ground up as a mini-downtown in of itself. Plans are available online to see, and they are really planning something big there.
Without the extension, the massive plans for intensification along Yonge simply would not happen. Right now there isn’t much going on in these areas, but the point is the developers are waiting for the green light to change all that. Yonge does not have the same kind of space that the Spadina extension has, and a large chunk of it runs through historic Thornhill where you can be sure they won’t have the space to shove a giant glass structure for a subway station. The extension will also be providing Yonge Street with a much needed bridge over a valley which currently during the winters is a death-trap for vehicles (buses included) due to icy conditions and steep hills.
Also important to note is that the entire line is being funded by York Region and the province, exclusively. Toronto has nothing to do with the cost of the line aside from operating it, and that will give them plenty of new ridership so that is nothing to worry about.
But if one thing is for certain, it’s that the extension is all about planning for density. They know that a subway needs density, and they’re doing all they can to ensure that there will be density by the time the line opens.
Good night.
http://undefined xtremesniper

(again failed to hit reply)
Also wanted to point out that not everyone who will use the Yonge line will be going downtown or into Toronto. Plenty of traffic flows along Yonge Street within York Region boundries and people who live in the area also work in the area and will benefit from taking a Viva bus from Richmond Hill down to the subway, and taking the subway down to Clark (for example).
http://undefined mark.

Darren, write like this more often. Here you say/ask reasonable things but at the top of this thread you call everyone “idiots” – that’s why we’re getting our backs up.
http://undefined gracingthestage

I’m sure I’m going to regret dipping my toe in these waters, but Darren, your idea that all TTC (or City of Toronto) employees should be residents of the city is absolutely devoid of common sense.
To add to Peter K’s already excellent list, consider that the Cobourg resident in question has been employed by the TTC for a minimum of 16 years, probably far more (and was awarded a citation in ’94 for saving a rider’s life: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/01/23/12590501-qmi.html?cid=rssnewslast24hours ). You’re suggesting that he should have been dismissed from his job back when he chose to buy property in a nearby community, rather than be “permitted” to commute to work (probably even utilizing the system he works for)?
The idea that someone who works for the city of Toronto must live in the city ranks as high or higher on the “patently ridiculous” scale as many of the comments that this “Heard the News Today” post is mocking.
And – seriously – “Alot(SIC) of people chose(SIC) to leave, not for finacial(SIC) gains but because they wanted to live one lifestyle yet work in another. Some did it to avoid multi-culturlism(SIC). Lets face it, many areas of the GTA have become little ethinc(SIC) enclaves.”
SERIOUSLY? You honestly believe that a significant reason people decide to buy property outside of Toronto city limits is because they want to “avoid the ethnics”?!?
No matter how much seniority with the TTC George has, the odds of him being able to afford, on his salary, a multi-level home that can accommodate a family (and maybe even has a front AND back yard), within walking or biking distance of the station he works at, are very, very low. To make living in Toronto a condition of employment by the City of Toronto would only ensure that the talent pool the City can draw on would be VERY shallow indeed.
http://undefined Solex

The only ‘passion’ you have for your city comes from whatever right-wing newspaper shoots its mouth off about a subject. You don’t care about Toronto any more than the Post and the Sun do-in fact, I’ll bet that you voted for the Harris government twice and watched while Harris destroyed Toronto and made it a mess-the very same mess that you are whining your sorry ass off about! Then you come on sites like this one and make bullshit comments about how ‘Miller is a commie leftist moron’ and about how the TTC is falling apart, and also about how we can get the latest electronic gadget for the TTC to use.
If you do care, then vote for the people that make the city better! Unfortunately like most right-wing warmongering corporatist sheeple, you vote for the worst, and expect the best-plus, you also sabotage the people and organizations who want to make the city better. It would be nice if you got your own blog, but that would be expecting way too much, so you come here instead; better that you do the former and stop the latter, because most of us don’t give a frak about what you say anyway-at least I don’t.
Darren

Well it works in Chicago where they literally have fired poeple. http://egov.cityofchicago.org/city/webportal/portalContentItemAction.do?contentOID=536917940&contenTypeName=COC_EDITORIAL&topChannelName=Dept&blockName=Human+Resources%2FJob+Classification+and+Compensation%2FI+Want+To&context=dept&channelId=0&programId=0&entityName=Human+Resources&deptMainCategoryOID=-536892493
Their population is similiar to ours which may grow after a residency bylaw. Its yet to be determined how severe a residency bylaw TO could have, if it actually involves phasing in, but its good to actually ask the question
The GTA has ethnic enclaves, either incidentally or intentionally.
Darren

Well the idiot comment was more towards the general wonder of what was defined by residency. It wasnt aimed at anyone specific.
Darren

I thought I said my part last night, and I wanted to avoid the topic further, but I left out a topic that you brought up; commuting within the suburbs and as well better regional options. Studies made by the TTC and presented to council this time last year claimed that the final destination for most subway riders is south of Wellesley. I also dont simply want the TTC to improve what it offers, but I’ve advocated for better regional options for long distance commuters. I’ve asked suburbanites to speak themselves for better transit. If Metrolinx was serious about fighting sprawl and gridlock then we would have a midtown rail hub by now. I’ve asked my MPP about his view on this when he knocked on my door during his re-election campaign. Michael Prue a NDP MPP who will claim to back social causes didnt have a clue about what I was referring to even though the midtown hub is part of Metrolinx’s official plan. I got the usual “I’ll get back to you”. That was 2 years ago.
http://undefined Darren

I dont think I’ve ever asked for the TTC to get any electroninc gadgets or frills. They dont move people. Better transit moves people
I never voted Harris or any of his MPPs. I did vote for a McGuinty candidate during his McGuinty’s first campagin. I voted for Miller’s first campaign, and I voted for NDP federal cabinet who lost Ken Dryden back when I lived in North York.
My shift away from voting ‘left’ started in 05/06 municipally with the way Moscoe was handling the CBA and inteferring with yet another GM. Miller backed Moscoe and 2 fare increases happened within a year. I realised that the province was never going to pick up operational funding of the TTC until we got our own house in orderso to speak. I then bought a home, and paying bills made me aware of the taxes I pay and which political parties share my view on fiscal conservatism
http://undefined rek

That’s the second time you’ve mentioned Toronto’s “ethnic enclaves” and I still don’t see what it has to do with residency requirements for city jobs.
http://undefined Darren

It has nothing to do with a residency bylaw.
But it does expanx on why people moved to where they moved in the GTA. Many people moved to where they moved for many reasons and that financial reasons were not alone. There are pockets of the suburbs where people moved to (either from TO or from outside the country) and they chose to move into areas where their ethnicity was more represented. I do not believe I have to give examples, as I’ll probably attract accusations of being petty and/or insensitive.
http://undefined Yonge And Bloor

What a lazy blog post. A collection of crazy comments and spam? From the internet??? Who would have thought?
Look, 3 would have been enough.
Christopher Bird, I flip you the bird.
http://undefined Peter K

I’m sure there are a queue of lawyers who would be ready to argue that it was in fact arbitrary discrimination based on an attribute (residency) that has no bearing on a potential employee’s ability to do a job.
Furthermore, this is a policy that Council cannot unilaterally declare. Union and non-union contracts alike will have to be re-written. You can’t tell me THAT will happen without a fight.
How much political capital will need to be spent to enact a policy that will have minimal if any positive impact on the services we receive?
http://undefined Darren

Seeing how this conversation ended up discussing density, I thought you might find this article interesting about a new trend on mixed use density in Vancouver and Toronto
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/real-estate/add-1-part-offices-1-part-condos-try-to-mix-well/article1443901/
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/doitintheroad/ dcooper

I actually enjoyed the post itself, but am completely bored with the discussion held here.
http://paul.kishimoto.name Paul Kishimoto

It’s never productive to feed a troll, even if you think you’re feeding it poison.
http://undefined Darren

Its worth the cost of having our legal counsel look for a loophole in the law that would allow this. Its not like we should only keep them on retainer so that they only look into Bussin’s and Heap’s lawsuits. But in all serious this isnt a pie in the sky idea, it exists in Chicago and potentially other US cities.

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