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The Dangerous Delusions of Rocco Rossi

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When Rocco Rossi, former director of the federal Liberal Party and before that CEO of the Heart and Stroke Foundation, announced that he was running for mayor of Toronto, few of his would-be constituents had heard of him. Rossi, though active in political and business circles for years, was largely a backroom guy. He had never run for office and he had flown, by-and-large, under our collective radar.
The first and most important imperative of his campaign has therefore been to change that. News broke of Rossi’s intensions on December 11; by January 14 he had the support of 15% of decided voters according to an Angus Reid–Toronto Star poll. Until yesterday though, Rossi had not articulated much by way of a platform: he proclaimed an interest in selling off city-owned assets the day he filed his nomination papers, but hadn’t said much else.
That all changed yesterday, when Rossi spoke before the Empire Club at the Royal York Hotel.
The good news for Rossi is that he gives good speech [PDF]. He was articulate, personable, funny, and impassioned. He had the room, as the saying goes. To some degree this was no surprise: the business elites who are the Empire Club’s core demographic were by nature inclined to respond warmly to a candidate like Rossi. But the response was, perhaps, just a little bit warmer than could have been expected. Rossi is, after all, not in pole position in this campaign—that role goes to George Smitherman. The whoops with which the audience punctuated his speech made it clear that Rossi has an opening to, at minimum, keep Smitherman from having an easy time of it. Rossi is known as a master fundraiser, and though he still lacks the essential campaign foot soldiers—the ones who knock on doors and make calls and get out the vote on election day—he is expected to build up sufficient funds to prove a serious challenger. His 15% is, in short, going to grow considerably.
The bad news—whether for Rossi or for Toronto remains to be seen—is that Rossi’s platform simply does not pay heed to some very basic facts about how cities work.


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Rossi outlined three key priorities for Toronto: dealing with the structural problems in the city’s budget, improving transportation, and developing a plan for future economic prosperity. Under the first priority come measures like outsourcing services such as garbage collection, under the third come plans for an economic development manager and a city-building fund focused on targeted neighbourhoods. And many of these proposals, though controversial or possibly unachievable (there are real legal questions about whether the City can outsource services such as garbage collection, given the agreements it currently has with various unions), are unsurprising centrist positions that predictably will get a good amount of play, especially in the aftermath of the city workers’ strike which has left many Torontonians much more vocally opposed to the City’s reliance on union labour.
The gravest problems with his speech—the ones which seriously call into question Rossi’s judgment—are in the second of his policy planks, the one dealing with transportation.
“Nothing captures our rising frustration more than how difficult it is to get from point A to point B in the city, by bus, bike, or car,” he said. True.
“Gridlock is choking our streets, our economy, and our quality of life.” Also true.
And how is Rossi going to remedy the situation?
Step one: slander the TTC. The ranks of people who are taking issue with the TTC, its management, and its organizational competence are swelling seemingly every day. Without question, the TTC has a great deal of work it must do before it regains many Torontonians’ trust, and without question it could and should be running a much tighter ship. However, there is a world of difference between accusations of ineptitude and accusations of willful obstructionism. Rossi spoke of the TTC’s “dogged determination to tear up our streets, sever neighbourhoods, and interrupt established shopping patterns,”—as though transit could be built without incurring the inconveniences of construction altogether, and the TTC was gleefully ripping up roadways for the sheer joy of causing disruptions. It’s an easy way out, to use the TTC as a punching bag—after all, everyone else is doing it. And, of course, Rossi is, in attacking the TTC, preemptively attacking TTC Chair Adam Giambrone, who is expected to launch his own bid for mayor sometime soon. But such comments are hardly constructive, and hardly contribute to a climate in which we can have intelligent debates about how to improve the way that transit runs.
Step two: engage in the oh-so-helpful “war on cars” rhetoric.

For too many years City Hall has been stuck in the zero-sum game that transit and biking are good and cars are bad. Cars are neither good nor bad. And until we build the first-class transit system of the future—and we will—cars are simply a necessity for many people…I spend a lot of time on my bike in the city, but as mayor I’d call a truce in the war on the car by opposing any further bike lanes on arterial roads, including Jarvis Street…common sense and safety tell me that bike lanes and arterial roads do not mix. We have to get Toronto moving again or the world will vote with its feet and go elsewhere.

To recap: we need to ease congestion, and we can do so by preserving our roadways for cars, which take up far, far more space per person on those roads than do bicycles (or pedestrians, or transit riders). Further, we need to ease the tensions which have been characterizing our transportation policy debates, and we can do so by overturning the decisions which Council has already made in this regard.
Step three: kill transit infrastructure. Rossi followed this up, in the press scrum after his speech, by saying that he would consider halting all the planned Transit City lines, except for the one which has already broken ground, and consider ripping out existing bike lanes which are on arterial roads.
How on earth these measures are supposed to ease gridlock was left entirely to the imagination.
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Rossi’s rationale for possibly halting Transit City is that we don’t have the money to pay for it—that is, it conflicts with his first policy plank of “getting our fiscal house in order.” When a reporter pointed out to him that several of the Transit City lines already had funding in place, and that this funding was coming not from the City but from other levels of government, Rossi explained that this only dealt with the capital costs of building the lines out in the first place, and did not cover the operating expenses of actually running them day-to-day.
This is true, and it is a problem. But anyone who thinks that we can simultaneously cut major transit infrastructure projects, thereby making the very vexed matter of budgeting somewhat easier, and also “get Toronto moving again,” is operating in defiance of basic facts. Our roadways are a zero sum game: they are finite, and they can’t get any bigger—there are pesky things like buildings on either side of them. Since our roads can’t get any bigger, we have to make them more efficient. Cars are, by several orders of magnitude, the least efficient way we have of moving people around.
So long as we keep measuring the efficiency of our roadways by their ability to move cars around, as was done in the debate on Jarvis and as is the default position in most planning discussions in Toronto, we are going to remain hopelessly mired in increasing frustration and growing commute times. What we need—urgently, and very badly—is to measure the success of our roadways by how well they move people, not cars, and privilege the modes of transportation which are most efficient at moving the largest numbers of people. Though Rossi claimed that he would get Toronto moving, it seems that he is only interested in keeping cars moving, as much as is possible, for as long as is possible. His promise to build “a first-class transit system” was not backed by any proposals for how or when or with what money Rossi would start building it. Though he proposed building bike lanes parallel to arterial roads on quieter side streets (which the current bike plan calls for in some cases), Rossi did not have any substantive transit projects of his own to suggest, and the first-class system he is envisioning remains entirely elusive.
Rossi made great hay in his speech about the need for a longer-term planning window. He made this point specifically with regards to the City’s always-contentious operating budget, saying that it was essential to start budgeting in five- or ten-year cycles rather than a year at a time. And we entirely agree. But that same attitude must be brought to bear on all planning, including transportation planning. Ripping out existing bike lanes, not building a bike lane on Jarvis, not building Transit City lines—these things will prevent short-term inconvenience, and preserve the not-very-good status quo for a while longer. They will, in other words, temporarily avoid more potential outbreaks of frustration. But they will leave us, in five or ten years, mired in gridlock and smog and anger that is far worse than what we’re suffering from right now.
Photos from Rocco Rossi’s Facebook page.

Comments

  • http://undefined panko

    That’s Rocco, not Rocci (title) and pole not poll position (4th para, middle). Decent article but sloppy editing.

  • http://undefined Hamutal Dotan

    You are quite right. Thanks for the catches – they have now been corrected.

  • http://undefined Andrew

    Let’s get this out of the way right now: you can be a transit supporter and a Transit City opponent.
    For one thing, it’s not clear to me how it’s a good idea to spend $8 billion (and rising!) on a mode of transit for which the TTC has an undisputed and well-deserved record of abject incompetence.
    It’s also not clear to me how it’s a good idea to spend that same $8 billion and do nothing to fix any of the urgent problems of poor service and overcrowding in the downtown core.
    Not to mention some of the more bizarre fantasies of Transit City advocates, like how a streetcar line is going to somehow transform Finch Avenue into Queen Street.
    In the wake of the St. Clair report, we’ve had a lot of hand-waving and shrugging of shoulders from Transit City’s advocates, telling us that it will be fine if we just keep the TTC accountable. Well, an election is a fine way to achieve accountability. Although I’m not likely to vote for him, I at least applaud Rossi for opening the debate.

  • http://undefined TokyoTuds

    Andrew, I agree that one can be pro-transit and anti-TC at the some time. But streetcars and LRTs are proven world-wide to be the best value mode, as well as most often the most efficient and appropriate (over subways). TC LRTs will replace buses in those cases and do a very good job. See:
    http://www.vtpi.org/bus_rail.pdf

  • http://undefined TokyoTuds

    Andrew, I also agree that we need to further address “the urgent problems of poor service and overcrowding in the downtown core”. That can be done in addition to TC if we elect the right mayor (not Rossi, by all accounts). Toronto will need to secure more funding from the province to achieve this, but you are right to raise it as a top concern.

  • http://undefined Michael

    I don’t live in the vicinity (or even the same country) as Toronto, but subscribe to this blog for it’s insights into urban planning/living, and sometimes the politics. So, allow for a just a tad of ignorance from a stranger:
    This candidate is burning the candle at both ends: You can’t eventually uncongest roads unless transit is a realistic option to more people who won’t simply dismiss it. If you don’t improve transit first, you wind up in a situation like San Francisco. That city really is taking action on harassing drivers in hopes that they give up and take transit. Except they have not improved their system (and are cutting it back, actually) and so they have made lives more difficult for everyone.
    Some people will simply never take transit because they don’t like the sights, sounds, and especially the smells of their fellow residents. But their commutes will be easier if those who would take transit but find it unrealistic have more options and are taken off the roads.
    On another note, I’ve always found it odd that Toronto’s garbage pickup is a city operation and not outsourced to a company. Not because of union labour, mind you, but because I assume that means every garbageman is officially a government employee and gets the presumably healthy package of benefits offered to public workers. It’s probably one of the best jobs, in terms of reward, that requires no talent or marketable skill.

  • http://undefined TokyoTuds

    “For too many years City Hall has been stuck in the zero-sum game that transit and biking are good and cars are bad.”
    There is no zero sum game: zealots from the far right pro-auto and the far left anti-car might be playing that game, but the 90% of us in the middle who live in the real world want to have great transportation options.
    I myself have no car by choice although I can easily afford one. I am an Autoshare member, and make a conscious choice every time I go out as to whether I should walk, bike, take transit, call a taxi, or pick up an Autoshare car. Autoshare helps me see exactly the cost of each trip, and so I choose the best mode depending on what is most important to me on that trip: time or money.
    http://www.vtpi.org/railcrit.pdf
    The more that Torontonians can choose walking, biking, or the TTC, the less congested our existing roads will be for both cars and buses. Then all of us who need to drive will face less stress on our existing roads without even needing to build more lanes.

  • http://undefined panko

    your last paragraph is oxymoronic: they get good benefits, salary, job protection BECAUSE it is a union job

  • http://undefined McKingford

    This is exactly right. When I’m riding my bike, on, say College and up to a dozen fellow cyclists bunch up at the light, I shake my head at the drivers who rail against bikes. I mean, honestly – can you imagine those extra dozen cyclists driving their own car? What do you think that would do to gridlock. My job requires me to drive from time to time, so I have an interest in freeing up congestion – and when I see cyclists I am thankful because that is one less car I am competing for space with.

  • http://undefined dowlingm

    The proposal to use Section 37 on projects outside of the area it is raised in is bollocks.
    The point of S37 is to improve the social infrastructure in areas where intensification is taking place, not to use it as redistribution of tax dollars. The residents of a downtown neighbourhood could get a 50 storey condo in an area zoned for 10, then see the compensatory investment in parks and so on redirected to a completely different part of the city. FAIL.

  • http://undefined Darren

    Yes one can be pro transit and anti TC, and I will go one step further by saying that transit advocates in this city NEED to stop immeditatly eating up everything that Miller and the left say about transit.
    The left does not have a god-given right to manage transit. The right doesnt hate transit and can run things better. Yes…Harris, but that was 20 years ago.
    TC sucks, the TTC sucks, and the left brought us there. Every 1% increase in salary at the TTC costs the operating budget an estimated 8 million. That is 8 million too many.
    If the left was so concerned about scared capital dollars then why build a Vaughan subway extension and why build it so grand?? Would cut and cover have potentially had a negative impact on the incredible density (sarcasm) in Vaughan and North York? Would smaller stations and less land not have been cheaper? Would parking lots make suburbanites keep their SUVs or switch to 7-day a week transit use? All the cost savings could have paid for not only the study of the DRL but part of its construction.

  • http://undefined McKingford

    There is a well known axiom, “never attribute to evil what can be explained by stupidity”. So in that spirit, I will assume Rocco Rossi is profoundly stupid.
    He is utterly delusional in his notion of bringing 1950s planning back to Toronto by clearing arterial roads of bike lanes (and if this is the plan, the better approach is to outright ban them from arterial roads, right?). Secondary parallel roads are just as good? Really? So lets ask a cyclist how she will get from, say Queen and Ossington to, say Jet Fuel on Parliament without using an arterial road: this means she can’t use Bloor, she can’t use College/Carlton, she can use Dundas, she can’t use Queen, King, Adelaide or Richmond – and I suppose Front too. And now tell me how you expect anyone to ever use a bike in this city.
    I wonder if the timing of this doesn’t constitute a huge faux pas, given the huge spike in pedestrian deaths in the last 2 weeks. Virtually all of them came on arterial roads, and mostly where there were no bike lanes. Is getting car traffic moving *faster* (although I assume this is what he wants, even if eliminating bike lanes probably aggravates congestion, for the reasons I cited in an earlier post) really going to make things better for pedestrians?
    [And I note, btw, that not one of those pedestrian fatalities was at the hands of a cyclist (unruly, law-defying, or otherwise).]

  • http://undefined Darren

    Transit can be improved correctly. Using LRTs to dump more people onto packed subways at midtown encourages people at the suburbs to further trake advantage of our system, and it penalizes people in this city.
    Yes, you would need to live here to know this.
    Bike lanes have their place; Shuter, Dundas east, Lakeshore, River
    and not; Queen, Eastern, Broadview, Jarvis, or Danforth

  • http://undefined belindaperson

    Seems to me that the autho agrees with a lot of his points but disagrees with his solutions. I think a little overly sensitive to opposing views – there are lots of people who agree with his solutions and he can afford to not get your vote.
    But you both agree there are big problems in gettign around.
    There is far too much opinion and far too few facts relative to moving around. There are two carved in stone groups that discuss transportation – love cars and hate cars. And the two can’t meet in the middle because both sides do not see any utility to the other side.
    Yes, some people can exist with a transit system as it is and without a car and many do. But many others have different transportation needs – pretty hard to get three kids to three after school events using any form of transit. Impossible to travel on meetings from NE Scarborough to North Etobicoke and then downtown in a day – and an LRT will not help solve this problem.
    There is (a) not a regional transportation strategy, (b) not data on how, when and where people move about in the entire GTA. We do know from the TTC Riders survey from a few years ago that over 70% of TTC riders would use a car if they could afford it.
    So we have a shoot ready aim approach to transportation.
    We don’t start planning from a needs analysis and focus on bike lanes on Jarvis and call people who want to do things differently stupid.
    I don’t think he is that stupid, but I think people who call him stupid are stupid.

  • Mark Ostler

    I’m not sure if you’re aware, but Metrolinx, the regional transportation agency, has an approved regional transportation strategy that they’ve been working with for over a year:
    http://www.metrolinx.com/thebigmove/index.html
    And they’ve got other public transit and transportation info, and I’m sure they’ve got loads of info that they haven’t posted:
    http://www.metrolinx.com/en/informationAndResearch.aspx

  • http://undefined McKingford

    I think the other main plank in Rossi’s platform deserves attention: the sale of Toronto Hydro.
    Lost in the ideological arguments is the fact that Toronto Hydro produces revenue for the city – about $45M/year (last year it was much higher, but this was because of an – one time only – asset sale). Strictly on a financial basis, the only way the city comes out ahead by selling Hydro is if it generates a large enough sale price to produce more than $45M/year in interest relief. The fact is, for all the wailing about Toronto’s debt, it isn’t that big a problem – and debt service is very cheap. But in any event, to get $45M in yearly interest relief, Toronto Hydro would have to produce a sale price well north of $1B. Maybe it can, maybe it can’t – the issue needs to be investigated (and this omits discussion of reasons aside from strictly budgetary concerns that the city may want to keep Hydro).
    But Rocco Rossi isn’t saying he will investigate it, he is committed to selling Toronto Hydro – which I take to mean he would sell it even if the interest relief generated by the sale price applied against debt would be less than the yearly dividend it currently provides to the city.
    That isn’t pragmatism. It is strictly ideology. And isn’t this what Rocco Rossi says is a problem with the city in the first place?

  • http://undefined McKingford

    There are two carved in stone groups that discuss transportation – love cars and hate cars. And the two can’t meet in the middle because both sides do not see any utility to the other side.
    This is simply not the case. Cyclists and transit users see the utility to drivers in their use of bikes and transit: they free up space for cars. The car-lobby, oth, utterly fails to see the utility *to themselves* of having people use bikes and transit, which is what makes their rants so difficult to understand.

  • http://undefined Greg Smith

    “The right doesnt hate transit and can run things better.”
    Show me a federal, provincial, or municipal politician of the right who demonstrably does not hate transit. Show me. And loving ribbon cuttings doesn’t count — what pol doesn’t love that? — s/he needs to love building, maintaining, growing, and running a system that works. Show me. Seriously.

  • http://undefined TokyoTuds

    Agreed, Darren, we also need other alternate ways to get downtown, like the oft-mentioned DRL. The Don Mills LRT could be useful for this if the DRL has a terminus at Pape Station.

  • http://undefined TokyoTuds

    Additionally, we need bikers on arterial roads so that (a) they can get to their destinations which are shops on main streets, and; (b) benefit merchants with ride-by traffic that might become a new customer through serendipity.

  • http://undefined TokyoTuds

    So true … we need an integrated transportation strategy that allows seamless transfer between modes, and accessibility to all modes by both the rich and the poor. This includes cars, although some of us like me might choose cars least often, and therefore cannot exclude bikes and peds on main arterial streets.

  • http://undefined Darren

    Actually the LRT north of Pape means just one more connection to a DRL. The DRL needs to run north of Danforth to tap into the residential areas there to get people off of southbound Yonge and onto the DRL. There wont be the R in the DRL for the mornning rush hour unless the DRL goes as far as Eglinton
    No government will fund it since they assume it costs the TTC 160 million a station based on the Vaughan ext as a track record.

  • http://undefined Darren

    I dont need to show you. Only an idiot would blindly support an ideology on a ASSumption that only they can do something. Its idiots like that who give the left a strangelhold on TO ridings and the left has no need to won swing voters, hence why you and I ridd 35 year old streetcars and why some guy in Greg Sorbara’s riding will ride a SUV to a brand new subway line

  • http://undefined Darren

    PS,
    Flaherty used 2 forms of public transit everyday he could to get to Queen’s Park, while the fat slob Kyle Rae takes cabs a few blocks to city hall while making a war on cars. But oh no Flaherty is a Harperite therefore we must hate him.

  • http://undefined McKingford

    Thank you – exactly right.
    I think back to Harper’s first win, back in 2006. At the time, people were talking about how Harper could make inroads into the cities – particularly Toronto – so as to eventually secure a majority. And at the very same time the TTC was weighing a fare increase (that it implemented) to offset a relatively small budgetary shortfall – I think it was about $16M. I thought at the time how it would be a brilliant political move for Harper to swoop in and cut a cheque for $16M and thus save Toronto from a fare increase. I mean, in the context of the federal budget $16M is nothing – a drop in the ocean. But think of the goodwill he could have generated for himself and his party in the city of Toronto if he could have “saved” us from a fare increase.
    The fact is, the positive optics of coming to the rescue of transit should have vastly outweighed ideological concerns. But the fact that they ultimately didn’t was simply further proof that the right really does hate transit – and hates Toronto, for that matter.
    But the notion that, as this poster claims, it is the *left* that has gotten us here is simply delusional. We haven’t had a nominally left federal or provincial government since Bob Rae (and as a lefty, I am no friend nor apologist for Bob Rae, and certainly don’t consider him left). You can claim all you want that Mike Harris was 20 years ago (although it was more like 7), but the fact is we are still butting up against the problems he imposed on us, transit-wise (it isn’t like Dalton McGuinty has done a lot to alleviate the Harris transit problems).
    Our transit problems are not the result of meager increases to the TTC employees, but a structural failure to properly subsidize transit. The TTC gets by with far less funding from senior levels of government than any other major transit system in North America. If the TTC received provincial subsidies at the same level at which New York state subsidizes NYC transit, the TTC would presently be getting $750M more per year than it currently does. $750,000,000. Just imagine what the TTC could do to improve service if it had that kind of extra money.
    So, Darren, kindly take your left hatred back to the Sun comment section, where it doesn’t have to face rational thought, or you know, facts.

  • http://undefined Darren

    Facts? What facts have you presented?
    What has 2 terms of Mcguinty given us? I voted for his first term and realised quickly that was a misitake
    “Dalton McGuinty has done a lot to alleviate the Harris transit problems”
    Like what? Did he pick up the tab for the operational expenditure of local transit systems?
    Did he keep his promise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summerhill-North_Toronto_CPR_Station) to create a second regional rail hub for GO in Toronto?
    Did he bother to inquire why one of his ministers was able to push a subway extension to NO WHERE?
    Did he demand the TTC curtail costs to that extension to make the buck go further?
    Did he demand the TTC become an essential service, or that it cuts back on operational costs? Please dont bring NYC into the argument. It costs them less their to operate per rider then it costs here. They succesfully sueed their union for a wildcat strike while Miller ‘erased’ it and called it ‘an incident’
    McGuinty had my vote, so did Jack Layton on the Federal stage. They lost it with rhetoric and personal attacks against their opponents.

  • http://undefined rich1299

    Newsflash! North York, Etobicoke and Scarborough are part of Toronto, why shouldn’t these parts of the city receive decent transit? Toronto extends north of Bloor and west of Ronscvalles in case you didn’t know. There’s much more to Toronto than the downtown core, you should get to know your city a little better.

  • rek

    “I dont need to show you.”
    And we don’t need to believe you.
    You go on to say “Only an idiot would blindly support an ideology on a ASSumption that only they can do something.” – but you just asserted the Right can do it better.

  • http://undefined Darren

    Fine don’t believe me, but why believe whatever the left says about transit? How do we know that the best vision for transit in this city is that of Adam Giambrone and crew? I believed the left and they lost my vote after every TTC GM they rode out of town, and every CBA they gave to the ATU113.

  • http://undefined Darren

    I beieve you misunderstood my statement. I want better transit for this entire city. By suburbs I meant the actualy technical suburbs, and not North York, Scarborough etc. Its people from these areas and midtown who are left waiting in platforms as packed trains enter the station. We are willing to extend 2-track subway lines to York but we want Torontonians to use LRT and then offload them on packed subways.

  • http://undefined TokyoTuds

    Darren, I don’t agree with you on everything, but I too wold like the DRL to continue north of Pape all the way to Eglinton. But most conversation about the DRL has suggested a terminus at Pape. It is more likely that the Don Mills LRT will run for many years before the DRL gets built, and then some time after that the DRL could be extended north and north-east, not necessarily on the same path as the LRT.

  • http://undefined Peter Kucirek

    I think that Rocco will find it very difficult halting or delaying TC lines – regardless of any debate about the merits of LRT – as there is so much momentum and work put behind them. Environmental Assessments, transportation models, even some Official Plans are put together assuming that the network is there. Taking away some lines would be like throwing a penny on to the tracks of an oncoming train – with potentially disaterous results.
    Unless Rocco is able to offer a credible, feasible, and more useful alternative, he will find going against TC very difficult.

  • http://undefined Darren

    Thats a useless way to use limited capital dollars;
    push a subway through in Vaughan in no time, but cram more people into Pape..which is being torn down and rebuilt, and then changed some more for a LRT and then a subway god knows when.
    Also, we cant put more people through the Y&B interchange or through the southbound Yonge corridor (Eglinton to pretty much Dundas) Its not physically possible. The DRL from Eglinton through Pape and then Queen/King to the west was needed 10 to 20 years ago. It could have been placed partiallyon the freed up rail land and it could have extended to Pearson in the west. There a lot of “could be” but no one willing to step up to the plate and say the stuff which may not seem attractive to the higher levels of government. This city is choking and people are leaving. Its about time we spend good cash on good projects here in the city.

  • http://undefined Darren

    You forget Shuter. I get to work riding Dundas East, River, Shuter and Victoria (dismounting on the one way stretch of Victoria)
    I’ll never ever ride on a Jarvis bike lane or an Eastern as I know that me being on a bike there just pushed car traffic in front of a Queen streetcar or through some other street.

  • http://piorkowski.ca/ qviri

    Cool story. I love riding on Shuter between Ossington and Yonge
    To be fair I’m not sure Dundas West is exactly what Rossi had in mind when talking about “arterial roads”.

  • http://undefined TokyoTuds

    I dearly hope you are right. Even if TC is not perfect, it is al to more than this city has seen in a generation or more.

  • http://undefined Darren

    Qivri, the other guy mentioned an address on Parliment, and mentioned streets that he cannot use to get there. Shuter is a great way to get to Parliment from Yonge east to Parliment
    Yes..we know that Shuter doesnt go past Yonge, nor was I trying pass it off as such. Thank you.

  • http://undefined Greg Smith

    “Dalton McGuinty has done a lot to alleviate the Harris transit problems”
    First you make sweeping assertions about right and left with no evidence, insist you don’t need to provide any when I ask it, then come up with a single slim anecdote (Flaherty took the TTC to Queen’s Park a few days a week so he could de-fund the province… that counts, right?), and now you’re mis-quoting other commenters to make your point. Scroll up and re-read, McKingford actually said:

    It isn’t like Dalton McGuinty has done a lot to alleviate the Harris transit problems

    I’m all for debating this issue, but why not stick to reasonable discussion instead of this kind of nonsense?

  • http://undefined Greg Smith

    McGuinty had my vote, so did Jack Layton on the Federal stage. They lost it with rhetoric and personal attacks against their opponents.

    Oh, the irony. Consider all of the ad hominem you’ve tossed around in this thread (let alone all of your other comments on the various newspapers’ comments), e.g.:

    the fat slob Kyle Rae

    Only an idiot would blindly support an ideology on a ASSumption that only they can do something

    And so on.

  • http://undefined Darren

    Ok, that was a factualy error where I completly missed the “It isn’t like”…which I have to admit change the entire comment. For that I apologise.
    Flaherty took both GO, to Union, then the subway north to Queens Park. As for him banckrupting the province, Sorbara the very next Finance Minister admited that it was not as bad as they first said it was. McGuinty has done what to lower taxes? He created a bunch more and we also have a deficit.
    Im not here trying make or force people to go out and hand the TTC to the conservatives. Im asking why we have to assume that only the left can manage transit? Its a fair question, and in my books Rossi is only touching the tip of the iceberg.

  • http://undefined Darren

    Hey well, everyone else is vilifying people based on their appearance (Harper’s sweater, vest, beady eyes, etc) that I felt its time for me to join in with commentary on Kyle Rae. Is it right? No, but since when has anyone ever stopped criticizing Harper’s appearance?
    The idiot comment was not towards anyone specific, but towards the idiocy of assuming that only the left can manage transit. We give them the assumption and they have nothing to gain by winning over our votes. The worst thing for democracy is the lack of swing voters. I’d say the same about the right if they had a monopoly on wards and ridings in TO and did not feel the need to address our issues as they felt they had the next election in the bag. Its people like Rossi who stir the debate which at the end of the day is a good thing.

  • http://undefined Darren

    Greg, I didnt wake up one morning having a jaded view on left vs right, etc. I found that having a serious conversation in TO about transit in the past 6 to 8 years always ended with the conversation switching to Miller’s acheivements and Harris’ faults. The conversation would quickly sour if I didnt show complete support for the one’s current work and complete distain for the other’s past work. Hardcore transit advocates dont like the right, I get that and that is fine. But we cannot assume that only the left can manage it. If we do then there is no point of even having elections as the next one is in the bag.
    People in the outter GTA and beyond have their issues addressed by their elected representatives because the MP/MPP knows that his/her job is very narrowly on the line. Greg Sorbara would never have pushed for a subway line to his riding if it was anywhere inside TO.

  • http://paul.kishimoto.name Paul Kishimoto

    Great article!
    The point about a zero-sum game is 99% correct. Population increases. People-movements increase with population. People-movements require space. Therefore either (A) the space allocated to people-movements must increase, or (B) the existing space must be used more efficiently.
    (A) includes widening or building roads, building new subway lines (i.e. creating space by removing dirt), or appropriating space (busways in hydro corridors).
    (B) includes adding LRT on existing streets, moving people from high space-per-person modes of transportation (individual autos) to low space-per-person modes (bikes, feet, transit, etc.), and increasing speed/throughput (so people reach their destinations sooner and are no longer in the transportation space).
    If (A) is not possible, it is a zero-sum game. Generally (A) is much harder than (B). The article points out that (B) would indicate less use of cars, so Rossi’s policies cannot have their intended effect.
    Also: what’s this about Adam Giambrone entering the race? I agree that the current slate is highly unsatisfactory, but I thought consensus was that he was too young and should wait for the next opportunity?

  • http://undefined McKingford

    I would basically classify any street with a streetcar an arterial road.

  • http://undefined McKingford

    I realize I am addressing someone with a demonstrated inability to read and write in basic English, so it may be too much to ask that you understand a rhetorical question – but in any event, you make my point for me.
    Obviously, there are non-arterial roads that travel east-west (and north-south, for that matter). The point is, limiting cycle transit to only those streets makes cycling a practical impossibility. Sure, you can take Shuter from Yonge to Parliament – of course it would be a lot slower than some of the other options. But you still have to get from Ossington to Yonge using some other non-arterial street. Your A to B looks like some kind of zig-zag map out of Family Circus. And of course, you can imagine how insulting (and impracticable) it is to tell people that if they want to use a bike to get across the city they have to go half way out of their way (north and south) to use the *one* non-arterial road you can put your finger on.
    Imagine telling a car driver starting out at Carlton and Jarvis that he must get across the city (say, to Bloor and High Park) using only the 401. That’s the fundamental equivalent of what Rossi is telling cyclists.

  • http://undefined McKingford

    Btw, that “address” on Parliament is well known to cyclists, which was rather the point…

  • http://undefined mark.

    I happened to read an article today by John Sewell. http://www.metronews.ca/toronto/comment/article/429587–time-to-ask-mayoral-hopefuls-some-basic-questions
    It sort of falls into the ‘immediately-old-news’ category (Rossi gave his speech just after Sewell’s article was published) but I have a sense his argument still holds.
    One of Sewell’s points rings true: it doesn’t seem like any of the candidates really give a shit about Toronto or really believe in anything – they all just want to be mayor, “and not much else.”
    Rossi’s speech today confirms this – his statements about transit and bike lanes are not based on any ‘big idea’ he’s got hiding up his sleeve. He wouldn’t be able to hold his own in this comment thread, he probably doesn’t even know half of what you’re all talking about. He’s a strategist, a guy you go to to rebrand your company; he doesn’t care about your product, only that it sells. He reads the polls and tries to position himself so that he can be mayor, not because he has any vision or belief but only so he can be “the mayor.”

  • Darren

    Yeah, thats my view on Queen East and the impact on from the tiny bike lane on Eastern

  • Darren

    Ok, me misunderstanding a comment is valid for criticsm even though its a simple mistake, but making judgment on one’s “inability to read and write in basic English” is just a lowball comment. If you were commenting on say a french language site and you got something wrong, would you want your language skills thrown back at you?
    The route I gave for coming from the east by bike works for me and a lot of other people. Its quicker then taking Lakeshore which is further to the south, or continuing on Dundas past River, as there are no streetcars and less car traffic on Shuter. I admit I dont know the bike route of the area west of Yonge well enough to plan a route. I was merely pointing out that cyclists can use side streets with bike lanes to get to the downtown core. I do it 3 days a week most of the year.

  • http://paul.kishimoto.name Paul Kishimoto

    Yeah, I think that’s exactly it—power for it’s own sake. Horrible :(

  • http://undefined Solex

    Oh look, here come one of the idiots from the National Post‘s discussion forums, here to talk to us people on Torontoist.
    When you can spell properly, and also not regurgitate bullshit from the National Post and the Sun, then we will listen to you. Until then, please keep you bullshit about transit to yourself, and away from Torontoist.

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