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An Early Look at the TTC’s New Trip Planner

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Last week we told you about the TTC’s new trip planner, and what to expect from it when it launches as early as this upcoming week.
On Saturday afternoon, though, we discovered what seemed to be a near-finished version of the planner while snooping around on the TTC’s website, at http://tripplanner.ttc.ca. (Spacing, also snooping, coincidentally had the same good fortune.) We’ve since learned from a TTC source that the version of the trip planner that’s now live on the website is “more or less where it was going to be when it went public, in terms of trip planning,” though it “might need some further tweaking.” [UPDATE, 1:36 p.m.: The planner—available to anyone who knew the URL last night and this morning—is now password-protected.]
After kicking the planner’s tires for several hours on Saturday and Sunday, however, Torontoist is not confident that the planner is ready for the general public—especially those with accessibility needs or who are short on patience.


From the planner’s current front page, let’s try to go to Yonge-Dundas Square to get some prorogue protesting done, shall we?
We put “Dundas Square” in the “To” field, and got this:
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While the TTC’s planner has a database of landmarks, and that database does check against multiple different spellings or versions of one landmark or location—here, we’d hope it would figure out that “Dundas Square” and “Yonge-Dundas Square” were related—no luck whatsoever.
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When we changed the location we were looking for to “Toronto General Hospital,” we got taken to a confirmation page—step 1a, let’s call it—which asked us to confirm the destination.
If you spend any significant amount of time with the planner, you’ll get taken to this screen often, and sometimes without a clear reason. (And sometimes, as when we searched for “Dundas Square,” you won’t get taken here when you’ll wish you did.) If you input an intersection on Yonge of a street that Yonge divides into west and east sides, like “Queen and Yonge,” for instance, the system gets confused about whether you mean “QUEEN ST E @ YONGE ST, City of Toronto” or “QUEEN ST W @ YONGE ST, City of Toronto.”
Or, in a case like this, it’ll ask whether you want to go to “Toronto General Hospital,” or “Toronto General Cemetery.” Too soon, TTC.
We told the system we wanted to go to “TORONTO GENERAL HOSPITAL, ELIZABETH ST, CITY OF TORONTO”…
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..and got taken to a “Suggested Trip” with an “Itinerary Summary.” (The webpage, called “View Itineraries,” suggests that more than one will be displayed in the near future.) This route is a pretty direct one, so not much of interest here. It seems to work.
If you go to “view the details of the trip”…
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…you get taken here, a much more detailed plan, including a Google Map—though from the time we inputted our destination, this page took a total of four pages (initial page > confirmation page > itinerary summary > trip details) to arrive at.
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The Google-based map, it’s worth adding, is super-responsive, and not necessarily in a good way. If you mouse-over (not click, mouse-over) a point on it, a pop-up will appear, noting what stage of the process you’ve moused-over, and the map will move to re-adjust around it. Scrolling the page up or down will scroll in or out of the map if you mouse over it accidentally, which can be frustrating, especially when we tried the planner on an older computer.
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And all that’s when the planner works. Sometimes, it doesn’t, and the advice is downright whacky.
After inputting a desired arrival at an address on Bay Street south of Bloor, an address that the planner has recognized before, the planner all of sudden no longer could identify it. And then, after re-submitting that same address on the subsequent page, the planner suggested a trip to Yonge at Wilson—eight and a half kilometres away. What’s worse, the time of day we specified for the trip was very late at night; 4:16 a.m. is not a time of day you want to find yourself eight and a half kilometres away from the place you’re trying to go.
Hitting the “back” link at any stage of the planning process, as we did when we tried to make our way back from the bad directions to Yonge at Wilson, garners a pop-up message in Firefox or Safari, asking you if you’re sure you want to re-submit the form. (When that happens, who is ever sure they want to re-submit the form?)
Given an arrival location of 590 King Street West, the planner advised going one block too far, to King and Brant, rather than King and Portland. Another planned trip downtown from Runnymede Station gave instructions to “Transfer to BLOOR-DANFORTH TOWARDS KENNEDY,” and then “Depart and head West”—not east, west—”from RUNNYMEDE STATION LOOP.”
There are other issues, as well, especially with respect to accessibility. First-page options like the ability to choose a trip using only certain kinds of TTC transit modes don’t seem to take your preferences into account. (We tried planning the same trip to Toronto General Hospital above, but unchecked the “Subway/RT” checkbox on the very front page, and it gave us the exact same route, subway and all.) If you try to find only accessible routes, or buses with bike racks, Torontoist’s Kaori Furue found that “inevitably the system tells you they’re not available and to try again. So, it’s just trial and error, and you’ll never find what you need.”
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And sometimes you just find your way here, a no-rider’s land.
We know that the TTC, as always, is going to want feedback from riders on the planner after it formally launches, which it’s expected will be very, very soon. (And for that reason, you should try the planner out, and tell us how you find it in the comments below; we’ll make sure the TTC pays attention to what you have to say.) But upon close inspection of the planner over the span of this weekend, we believe that this version is not ready for the public to give feedback on: it’s as much “trial” as “error,” and after several years, riders deserve better.
Additional testing by Kaori Furue and Miles Storey.

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  • http://undefined scout13

    It’s about time this service existed. However, I’ve been using http://www.myttc.ca for a while and it’s been great.

  • little_potato

    Are you sure they really want our feedback? I checked the box that says give me feedback a few times in the past, and they never sent me any feedback. It makes me feel they don’t want our feedback and just want us to take whatever it gives us.

  • http://undefined Gavin

    First, the ‘new’ TTC site which, while an improvement over the previous version, was a fantastic letdown which appeared to take into consideration zero feedback. It looks like a play on the default Joomla theme, and though I haven’t checked, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s based on that disastrous CMS.
    Now, this – whoever is being put in charge of the RFQ reviews at the TTC has zero sense, or maybe they’re really going for the cheapest possible option. The user experience isn’t at all considered in this process, and the interface itself is even more disappointing than the old TTC site. It seems like it’s being held together with duct tape – nay, scotch tape – and it really doesn’t look like there was any thought put into fallback options through the process (i.e. performing a reliable search of destinations when your query does not match an intersection and displaying those results instead of a dead end).
    The TTC needs to put someone new in charge of everything web-related.

  • http://undefined Jonathan

    Presumably this will have up-to-date (ish) data which will give it an advantage over myttc.ca — but that’s the only benefit as far as I can see. The UI for myttc.ca is *much* better, requiring fewer clicks to get to the obvious stuff you’d need, and it gives route alternatives.
    Why is everything outreach-related the TTC does so needlessly poor?

  • http://undefined the_yellow_dart

    It’s now password-protected.
    I have a feeling that they were just opening it up for their own testing, and didn’t mean to make it public yet.
    …or they were just opening it up to real-world trial. I am a software tester and I get the point of why they would do that. Sometimes they way you use something as the developer is not the same way that a real user will use it. You can test something yourself until you’re totally convinced that it’s fine, but users will still find bugs the first time they use it.

  • http://undefined Gavin

    I hope that’s the case, and I would understand if it is (absolutely, typical users will poke holes in your software no matter how bulletproof you made it). If a launch of this thing is imminent I would be embarrassed as the developer(s) behind it.

  • http://undefined nick9

    Finally an alternative to myttc.ca. I was getting tired of all the garbage trips they gave. I was lucky enough to try out the link. I tried 5 trips that I use all the time, I am surprised the system returned the exact routes I take (accuracy was good). Myttc.ca only gave 2 out of the 5 I was expecting. I did throw in a few trips that I know don’t operate at certain times just to be sure. Living in BC, and trying their trip planner, I think this one is much better.
    I liked the Google maps use as well. I think the sensitivity issue is common problem amongst all Google maps api’s. All in all, so far so good.

  • http://undefined TokyoTuds

    No matter what address right on donlands I entered, it never returned the 56 Leaside route which runs the length of Donlands …. Super-Beta version, I reckon’.

  • http://paul.kishimoto.name Paul Kishimoto

    I really hope the MyTTC folks do their best to help the TTC get this right, hard though that may be. Criticism from a distance won’t do it.

  • http://undefined Duncan

    Re: Step 1a, the YRT trip planner is just as finicky.
    What I want to see is TTC data being available in Google Maps (as my trips often go across the boundary between TO and York Region).

  • http://undefined dlogan

    I was kicked off a streetcar because the driver didn’t feel like I took “the shortest, most direct route” and insisted that rather than get on the subway (below my building) I should have walked two blocks to a streetcar, to which I would’ve had to transfer ANYWAY.
    He refused my transfer and then stopped the streetcar and embarrassed me in front of the entire commuting crowd. I tried to argue logic but he shouted he wouldn’t move until I got off- so I got his driver number to report him. As I got off the streetcar he yelled “And lay off the crack!” before driving off.
    I called the TTC and they refused to refund my token or take any action toward the driver.
    So why tell you here? Well watch out- now that they have a “route planner”, maybe there will be more drivers that want to tell you where to go.
    What a scam. TTC can take a hike! Oh wait, they already did…

  • http://undefined David Harrison

    The reference to “Trapeze” in the last screen shot is a reference to the leading transit route planning/management software. My guess is that the TTC trip planner is a standard Trapeze product with some TTC UI customizations, at most. Complaining about the TTC’s design skills would therefore be fairly pointless.
    http://www.trapezegroup.com

  • http://undefined Nerfgun

    This is all fine and dandy, but what I’m really looking forward to are GPS units in the busses and streetcars, plus the iPhone app that reads them. I know they’re testing it right now.
    That seems like a more reliable way of judging whether to stay or go, as traffic snarls bunch up the cars and make wait times worse, and more crowded. Can’t count on the TTC to deliver proper warnings so I’d much rather just see what’s up myself, on a clever electronic map.
    (Overlay that with a Google Maps hack showing where cabs are clustering and you’d really have something there. The cabs seemingly know first, when the TTC has broken down.)

  • http://undefined AgitatingTwits

    I’ve got this handy portable device already, gives me routes, approximate schedules, locales and even provides a list of local attractions. It fits in my back pocket and is robust enough to handle being sat on and dropped repeatedly.
    Unfortunately it requires me be patient, figure things out on my own and basically just use my brain. That can’t be good.