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As the city accumulates garbage throughout the ongoing city workers' strike, we'll be accumulating photos. Torontoist's photographers are checking in on garbage and recycling bins around the city throughout the strike, an attempt to follow the tangible effects of the strike and complement our other coverage.
Photos by Stephen Michalowicz/Torontoist.
WHERE: Islington Station (Islington Avenue and Bloor Street West).
WHEN: 12 p.m. today.
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The second photo has got me thinking...what do advertisers think of these trash-covered ad spaces? Is there further exposure (considering how we're taking pictures of them now) or damaging to their ad?
Look at how much of the garbage is fast-food related. Maybe the franchises should be paying for garbage/recycle services.
how deluded do you have to be to blame a company for garbage that its ignorant customers failed to dispose of properly?
No, he's blaming them for the amount of garbage their businesses generate, period.
Reading comprehension. 0/5
How much garbage would they generate if they had no customers? You are playing a shell game.
Disposed of properly or not, that's a lot of crap ending up somewhere, crap that originates behind the counter at KFC and Tim Hortons.
Again, you can't take a market, which by its very nature is comprised of both producers and consumers, sellers and buyers, and conclude that the waste generated is the fault or responsibility of only one of the participants. It doesn't make sense. The relationship between production and consumption is symbiotic. You are ignoring that because of your animus against the producer.
And one of the participants is already paying for street garbage and recycling pickup.
Both participants pay municipal taxes, so you don't really have much of a point if that is your basis of distinction.
Perhaps they should be paying more.
Spare me your NAMBI reply though.
Either you are unwilling to engage with the point or you don't understand it. It doesn't matter who pays the tax (who bears the incidence of the tax), both participants pay. For instance, if all individual taxation was repealed and shifted wholly to business taxation, individuals would still pay taxes through higher prices. An analogy is the property tax a tenant pays in the form of higher rents. Suggesting that businesses pay a greater portion of a tax in order to free up burdened individuals (or, as here, to reflect your subjective (and wholly baseless) assessment of who is to blame for generating the waste)is nonsensical. As I have said above, it is just a shell game that exploits economic illiteracy. We'd all benefit if those afflicted with anti-businesses animus would give up this fruitless argument because it clouds policy debates such as the one we are having here.
Your conjecture that my objection to your point, such as it is, is based upon self-interest is not only wrong, it's beneath you.
"It doesn't matter who pays the tax (who bears the incidence of the tax), both participants pay."
At no point did I say businesses should be the only ones paying.
"For instance, if all individual taxation was repealed and shifted wholly to business taxation, individuals would still pay taxes through higher prices."
And individuals would be free to choose, as they do now, how often they visit these locations and whether the price is worth it. Less fast food garbage and people eating less fast food? Sounds good to me.
Of course I didn't say it should be paid for entirely by businesses, or by businesses in general, either.
"your subjective (and wholly baseless) assessment of who is to blame for generating the waste)is nonsensical."
Do you not see the Tim Hortons and Pizza Pizza and McDonald's logos printed on the garbage in the top photo? It's undeniable that the waste originates at these locations. Whether it's thrown out at the restaurant, dropped in the gutter, put in a curbside garbage/recycling receptacle, or their own kitchen bins, it wasn't generated the moment it left the customers' hands, it was generated the moment it came off the shelf behind the counter. Alternative models exist, and these companies choose not to use them here.
"Your conjecture that my objection to your point, such as it is, is based upon self-interest is not only wrong, it's beneath you."
You wrote "How much garbage would they generate if they had no customers?" in response to suggesting these companies pay for the garbage they create. That ridiculous and alarmist reaction earns you your NAMBI status.
I was on Spadina north of Dundas the other day. I suggest you have pictures of there for day 17.. It's amazing how much garbage is there. And I saw some guy in a 'City' truck picking up what looked like household garbage around the garbage bins... I imagine they will go through these bags to see if they can figure out who dumped it there.
seriously? people can't consider the strike and get rid of their garbage somewhere else? heaven forbid they should have to hold on to an empty pop can for an extra couple blocks
Ah, the eternal problem of getting millions people to do exactly as you say... even the world's most lethal dictators haven't figured that one out.
I live in Etobicoke, and regularly use this station. Seeing this mess upsets me because this area is not affected by the strike. I understand the city trash-cans are not serviced; but there are numerous places other for people to deposit their garbage without resorting to throwing it on the sidewalk. You can see in the photo a mysterious black bag; it looks more like household garbage than daily street related waste. I know that just inside the station or in the office building there are multiple and empty garbage cans.
My experience in Korea and Japan was you keep your garbage with you until you get home. I don't remember seeing any public-use cans in Osaka, Kanazawa, Nara, Kyoto, or Buyeo, and just one in Shinchon (Seoul) that was barely larger than a kitchen can.
And going back to the fast food thing: fast food chains in Seoul used washable plastic cups you leave behind for re-use, instead of one-use-only instant garbage. Only take-out orders got disposable wax paper cups.
There are public-use garbage cans in Japan (or there were, as of a year ago) - generally beside vending machines. But you may end up carting around your garbage for a while until you find one.
Drop the garbage from coffee/cafe chains and fast food outlets in coffee/cafe chains and fast food outlets. They will almost certainly have a private trash pick up. Even if you've walked away from where you got your food/drink you'll likely pass another one soon.
Police needs to ticket people like these. What the heck - they sit and wait for people speeding and they can't hide and wait for people littering. They could write hundreds of tickets a day. BTW, I don't know how much the maximum penalty for this is, but it should be no less than $100. Would make people think twice about throwing it in the middle of the street or going a few extra meters. Damn lazy people. I would like to shove that garbage inside the houses of those who throw garbage like that.