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I Am. Canadian!


Does your Canadianness matter to you? And what does it even mean to be Canadian? The old joke, of course, is that Canada is NotTheUnitedStates, that we define ourselves as America’s inverse, or perhaps her kinder, gentler cousin, but have no substantive notion of what our identity is absent that contrast. On the other hand, lots of us vehemently reject that trope, arguing that Canada does have a distinct sense of itself. Just what that identity consists in though (Multiculturalism? Socialized medicine, or a broader concern for social welfare? Our climate and geography? The sheer course of historical events?) isn’t always entirely clear.
This is Not a Reading Series (TINARS) gave itself over to a discussion of Canadian identity Tuesday night at the Gladstone, in a discussion between historian Bryan D. Palmer and writer Rick Salutin. The conversation centred around questions Palmer raises in his new book, Canada’s 1960s: The Ironies of Identity in a Rebellious Era—questions about what Canadian identity looks like in the aftermath of the upheavals of the Sixties, and whether we’ve hit a point where the very notion of “Canadianness” can be dispensed with altogether. One of Palmer’s major aims, both in the book and in the discussion, is to argue that we are still living with the effects of those upheavals, that Canadian identity was fundamentally fractured by them, and that this isn’t really as worrisome as it may sound.


The Sixties are perhaps most famous for introducing a revolution in attitudes towards sex, a subject which Palmer spent some time on over the course of the evening. In particular, he used the events of the Munsinger Affair (usually described as Canada’s first major political sex scandal) to trace a development in our national consciousness, so that “what was a very big deal in a sinful, sordid kind of way” at the beginning of the Sixties became simply interesting and colourful by the end of the decade, as attested to in part by the election of a more frankly sexual Pierre Trudeau in 1968.

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Photo courtesy of Chris Reed/TINARS.

The notion of Canada-as-not-America came up for discussion as well, with the 1966 Chuvalo-Ali boxing match serving as a case study. Because Ali was, at the time, barred from fighting in the United States, he came across the border to fight the Canadian heavyweight champion; Chuvalo went all fifteen rounds against the legend but lost on points by a substantial margin. Salutin, commenting on the “Canadianness” of this outcome, remarked that “our guy did really well, way better than anybody thought, but he didn’t defeat.”
Palmer’s left-leaning positions came out more clearly towards the end of the discussion, as issues surrounding Quebec separatism and the FLQ took centre stage. Among his book’s aims, said Palmer, was an attempt “to bring the FLQ back from the labelling as a terrorist organization.”
As the evening wound down, Salutin and Palmer wondered what lessons might be drawn from all these events. Palmer’s general view is that Sixties revolutionaries may have only halfway reached their goal: “for all the struggle…the better world wasn’t realized, the irony was that they [just] took down the world that was….” Salutin concurred, saying that “we lost the old national identity, but didn’t get the new thing.” He then went on to wonder if a national identity was actually necessary, however, maintaining we may be all the better for its dissolution. We are “immensely richer,” in a sense, if we no longer have to hew to a fixed identity which “locks you into things so you can’t move.” As he pointed out in the Q&A, when socialized medicine was first introduced it was described as “un-Canadian,” though now it is often cited as one of our hallmarks. Canadian identity, Palmer and Salutin seemed to agree, is a moving target, and no good comes from attaching ourselves to any particular idea of Canadianness too intensely.

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  • http://null Svend

    I also agree with the final sentence. It’s now true of all countries though, it isn’t distinctly Canadian to be a moving target.
    I hope we’ll continue to build on our values peacefully even when we strongly disagree.

  • http://null Bill Bishop

    Bill Bishop said… Sir J.G. Bourinot wrote in “How Canada is Governed(1895) under “Executive Power” with regards to the Dominion Government and the National flag, Quote” The Dominion of Canada has also authority to display on all public occasions a national flag; viz., the Red or Blue Ensign…The Red Ensign is displayed at the opening and closing of parliament, and on national occasions. The Blue Ensign is a distinguishing flag of the government vessels of Canada; the mercantile marine of the Dominion has a right to use the Red Ensign.”Sir John George Bourinot,(1837-1902)Canadian historian and political scientist. He is remembered as an authority on the Canadian constitution and government his “Local Government in Canada (1887), Manuel of the Constitutional History of Canada (1888,rev.ed.1901), How Canada Is Governed (1895, rev.ed. 1918),” and other books are still authoritative… It would be wise and only fair to make sure that it becomes common knowledge that with the passage of time the true perspective on the creation of the current national flag of Canada, and the great emotion and sadness that accompanied the moment has in many ways been purposely hidden, lied about, overlooked and in many cases forgotten. In June 1964 the Toronto Telegram wrote “The people of Canada should be allowed to decide whether or not they wish to live under the flag of thier forebearers or discard it in favor of a new emblem…Mr. Pearson has an enviable reputation for sagacity and diplomacy. Let him ask the people by referendum whether they want to replace the banner that carries the symbols of our nationhood by one that is mounted on the colour of surrender and would be most suitable for an arboretum.” The Vancouver Province wrote “Canadians who are outraged at the thought of abandoning a flag sanctified by lives and blood of thousands of our countrymen in two great wars – a flag of colour and character in every way superior to the glorified dish towel that Mr. Pearson seeks single-handedly to impose on this country.” No one can change these facts and many of us will always remember.

  • http://null WannaBinToranna

    American here…but Canadian in my heart: – )
    I feel it when I cross the border and see your flag.
    Just feels like “home”..moreso than when I come back.
    If I had the means, or could find a job there, I’d move in a heartbeat.

  • http://null montauk

    How did you get past the captcha, little guy?

  • http://null torontothegreat

    No, please do not. We don’t want you here.

  • http://null quickymgee

    WOW. What’s that all about? If you ask me i don’t know anything about WannaBinToranna, but i would definitely prefer that person to YOU.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    good for you. I am a canadian so good luck getting rid of me.

  • http://undefined spacejack

    Nice flag pic!

  • http://null WannaBinToranna

    Hmm, well “torontothegreat” I guess YOU aren’t one of those things that makes Toronto as great as it is.
    And thank you “quickymgee”…I’m nobody special, just a guy who loves Canada/Toronto and the people there…
    well, save for ‘torontothegreat” : – )
    Fortunately for you “torontothegreat”, there wasn’t someone like you at the border when YOUR ancestors showed up.
    “We don’t want you here”
    “But I’m your great-great-grandfather…you travelled back in time just to tell me to go home?!?”
    And yes, “spacejack”, agree, cool pic.

  • http://undefined rek

    “We don’t want you here.”
    I thought we left that part of the Canadian Identity behind a century+ ago.

  • http://null montauk

    Well…in theory.

  • http://null torontothegreat

    WEEEENUUKKK!!
    My Saulteaux ancestors never came to the border…
    My grandfather? The only reason I’d go back into time is to protect ‘my great-great grandfather’ from your stupid ancestors.
    If that thought never crossed your mind, you’ve lived up to the reputation of your ‘great nation’ well.
    >I thought we left that part of the Canadian Identity behind a century+ ago.
    Maybe you did doboscobe. My people never have/will.

  • http://undefined torontothegreat

    The more I ponder your respoonse the more I feel you are an ignorant a-hole
    I can think of at LEAST 3 cultures which make up at the LEAST 60% of your country’s population that did not arrive at our borders of their own accord
    Unless of course you are assuming everybody posting here is of a angl-Saxon background
    Either way your display of absolute ignorance is right on par with my previous 2 posts

  • http://www.torontoist.com David Topping

    “Either way your display of absolute ignorance is right on par with my previous 2 posts”
    Heh.

  • http://null octpatp

    Palmer wants “to bring the FLQ back from the labelling as a terrorist organization.” Does anyone here know what his argument is on this point?

  • http://null torontothegreat

    haha good catch topping

  • http://null RickM

    For a humourous look on what it means to be a Canadian, check out: http://www.howtospotacanadian.ca/

  • http://null montauk

    Notably, that site assumes that Canadians are all white, middle-to-upper-class urbanites.
    God that really irritates me.