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Toronto, Meet Pavel the Lover

20081216pavel4.jpgAs if one wasn’t already far too many, there’s a new Dimitri the Lover in town.
Dimitri, of course, is James Sears, the man whose unsavoury history is well-documented and whose distressing voicemail messages to a woman recently made him the deserved subject of worldwide ridicule. In spite of ego hit after ego hit, Dimitri is still making the rounds and still scheduling meetings, and it seems he now has something of a protégé to carry on the brand: Pavel the Lover.
Since the beginning of this month, a man identifying himself as Pavel has been following in Dimitri’s footsteps—approaching young women around the city, calling them “elegant,” and handing out business cards (at right) that offer a phone number, e-mail address, and the chance to “swing on a star.” You may not have met Pavel yet, so let’s introduce you.


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Though there are some murmurs that he’s been around town just being generally creepy since at least August, Pavel’s really only stepped up his game in December. That’s when he’s been spotted giving female customers at the Apple Store and a Tim Hortons his card, that’s when he joined Facebook under the moniker Pavel (the profile is, of course, public, at least as of 10 a.m. Friday morning), and that’s when he twice approached seventeen-year-old Lex Pearce, who wisely took her plight—and Pavel’s business card—to LiveJournal.
Pearce relayed her stories to Torontoist earlier this week:

The first time, I was at Broadview station sitting upstairs playing solitaire on my iPod. He came up to me and I don’t like being rude to people so I was nice and said thank you to him when he complimented me. He extended his hand and introduced himself as Pavel and I shook his hand (not wanting to be impolite) and said that my name was Lex. He asked if I was eighteen, and I said “No, I’m seventeen,” and he kind of made this face like he was deciding if he should go any further. He then asked if I was single and I told him that I wasn’t, then he said, “Damn, some guys have all the luck,” and pretty much left it at that. I think somewhere in there he said he liked my hair.

The second time I was in the subway around Bloor-Yonge station, he said the same thing he did the first time: “Do you know you look very elegant?” I thanked him politely. I thought to myself that this sounded familiar and a few seconds later it hit me that it was the same guy. So he went straight to asking me if I was over the age of eighteen. I told him no and that I was seventeen. He said a few things that I can’t remember for the life of me and then told me he liked my hair. (It’s bright orange, quite a few people like it.) He asked if I was going to be turning eighteen soon and I lied and told him that it wasn’t going to be for another year. He started reaching into his pocket and I braced myself because I just knew he was going to get out a card or something. He handed me the card and said: “Well, just in case.” I just took the card laughed nervously and slipped it into my pocket. Then he said something that I can’t remember right before he said something about me having a good sexual aura. After that I just said “Uhm, oookay,” and he just wandered off down the car.

Pavel is “pretty regular looking,” Pearce told Torontoist, of “average weight” with “a brown buzz cut,” “a slight lazy eye,” and “an eastern European accent but nothing too thick. He also wore cologne.” (Pavel did not reply to an e-mail sent earlier this week requesting an interview with Torontoist.) Until she had been approached by Pavel, Pearce had never heard of Dimitri, and even though the two men’s modi operandi match up, their faces don’t, and she’s sure that they’re not the same guy. But as Pearce puts it, “if [Pavel] actually took that $600 program that he graduated from then I assume they’re almost the same.” Yeah, that’s what we were thinking.

Top photo courtesy of Lex Pearce.

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  • ked

    shudder..wretch

  • Gauldar

    His profile pic looks like it was taken with a cell phone in a public washroom.

  • escape

    Creeps like this make my stomach turn.

  • fantasygoat

    My house seems to be a magnet for these creeps. Dmitry made his first public appearance at a party I had several years ago, and then this creepo was the first person to arrive at my party in August – more than half an hour early.
    I had to spend 30 agonizing minutes talking with him before someone else showed up.
    He apparently hit on every single woman at the party over the course of the night, but left around 10pm. So sadly the rest of the ladies who arrived later missed out on his particular brand of “ewww.”

  • _anne_

    oh my god! this guy approached me at the end of november, while i was waiting for the streetcar at yonge & college. he opened by telling me that i “had no idea how truly beautiful i was”. when i declined to take his card, he assured me it wasn’t what i thought it was, he only wanted to BE MY LOVER. i told him that it was a definite no in that case. he lurked around for a bit while i giggled about it with a girl standing next to me, and then came back twice to tell me that “my problem” was that i was sexually repressed, just like most other Canadian women…
    of course, I have regretted letting this gem slip through my fingers every moment of every day since.

  • Svend

    What’s wrong with being friendly and approaching women?
    Toronto is a cold city indeed.

  • rek

    Svend the Lover?

  • Machinations

    I think there is a subtle, but important, difference between “being friendly and approaching women” and serving as the living definition for why restraining orders exist.

  • Sarizzle

    LOL Svend. Seriously? A 41 year old man hitting on a 17 year old girl is your definition of friendliness?

  • exubai

    This guy used to hang out at the Starbucks in the Annex during the summer, hitting on every female that walked by. He was eventually banned from the store.

  • eller

    @fantasygoat was he the same guy as Joseph the Lover?

  • Ben
  • Gauldar

    Svend, there’s a line between being friendly and being a man whore. It’s not even a fine line, it’s pretty blatantly obvious.

  • escape

    He is not friendly, he is predatory. I’m speaking of Dimitri but this of course applies to anyone who thinks it’s ok to make sexual comments and hit on an underage person. The crap posted in the meeting announcement is pretty mysogynistic.

  • dimitrifan

    I warned people about Dimitri The Lover months ago. I posted links to the most vile animations to show how sick he was (one had him defiling the Virgin Mary and another displayed him murdering “feminists”). People mocked me. Since then the animations have been taken down. I learned details about a documentary movie shot in the summer about Dimitri, which I posted. All information on the film has since been purged from the net.
    Dimitri is dangerous because he is a smooth talker and from photos I have seen on Facebook, attractive. Those qualities allow him to get away with spewing forth vile misogynistic sentiments. Unfortunately people are less likely to look at someone as a sociopath if they are good looking.
    But what’s more dangerous is the PHENOMENOM that is Dimitri The Lover and how desperate men attempt to mimic his style. Whereas Dimitri may be saavy and intelligent enough to know not to cross the legal line, other men may not. Other men may expect women to give in to them as easily as they do to Dimitri and may cross that line in anticipation of a green light.
    Dimitri The Lover must be stopped more because of what he represents as opposed to what he personally is capable of doing. The announcement for his next meeting made me sick to my stomach. It sends shivers down my spine thinking of the men who leave that meeting thinking they can just go up to any woman and disturb her day to day business.

  • David Topping

    If you’re going to pretend you dislike “the PHENOMENOM that is Dimitri The Lover,” you might want to choose a different name to comment under, “dimitrifan.”

  • dimitrifan

    Sorry you misinterpreted. I originally created the account for the purpose of commenting on your original article about Dimitri. Every comment I ever made about him has been negative. The name was meant to be sarcastic. Sorry for the confusion.

  • escape

    “Whereas Dimitri may be saavy and intelligent enough to know not to cross the legal line, other men may not.”
    You have to be kidding. I would say that being stripped of medical license after being convicted of sexually assaulting PATIENTS crosses the legal line handily.
    http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1115167462268_11/?hub=CTVNewsAt11

  • dimitrifan

    True. But I made my comment in reference to Dimitri approaching women on the street and asking them out on dates and not what he did with his patients in the 1990′s. I think if he were behaving in the same manner in his dating life since, he’d have been charged with something else by now. Agreed?

  • kstop

    I’ve seen Dimitri working Tequila Bookworm a couple of times over the past month. I wonder if he’ll get banned from there too.

  • dimitrifan

    When you say “working Tequila Bookworm”, what was he doing exactly?

  • escape

    Sorry, not agreed. I’m suggesting that if the man is not ‘savvy and intelligent enough’ to know not to cross the line with his medical patients, then I have no reason to trust that he knows not to do it on the street or not to ‘teach’ other men inappropriate pick-up methods.
    By the way, your professed disgust for him in combination with what looks like admiration for his perceived smoothness, good looks and intelligence strikes me as a little odd.

  • dimitrifan

    Many sociopaths are smooth, attractive and intelligent. That’s how they get away with crime for years. It is an “observation”, not “admiration”. I agree for the most part with what you said. Maybe in a way I have a sick fascination with the man. But don’t mistake morbid curiosity with something more.

  • Marc Lostracco

    The most disturbing part about guys like this is that if the woman rejects their obvious irresistible charm and enchanting looks, they feel it’s because she’s a frigid bitch/lesbian/man hater—not because the guy is a colossal, repellent, vulturine shithead who reeks of pathetic desperation.
    Can you imagine the amount of energy it must take to be like this guy?

  • EricSmith

    Can you imagine the amount of energy it must take to be like this guy?

    A predatory mindset, a reductive model of other people, and a growing series of dismissive rejections that must offend his sense of entitlement — is it too much to hope that we’ll never see that creepy-ass Facebook profile picture on the front page of the Sun?

  • metabaron

    Well, the problem is that some women will fall for these smooth operators. Nice guys finish, as always, last!!!
    Anyway, I had my share of meeting these kind of guys. They are so full of themselves, they have nothing to talk about and they are only interested in sex. They have figured out how to smooth talk women and how to confuse them – at least until they get what they want. Often times they do not get what they want, but they are very bold and unwavering, so they’ll just keep hitting. I have no respect for such guys – and not because they are my competition as a single guy – rather because they ruin women’s impression of men. The women who know such guys will put the rest of us in the same category and will be very wary of the other guys.

  • wilshire

    He approached me twice in the same day this summer, right around Robarts Library, with the same “elegant” line. Definite creep vibe. (He also happened to be postering the neighbourhood with posters for an essay-writing service…)

  • Adam Sobolak

    Quagmire: Hey there sweetie, how old are you?
    Connie: 16.
    Quagmire: 18? You’re first.
    Connie: Mom!
    Quagmire: I like where this is goin’! Giggidy, giggidy, gig-gi-dy!
    …come to think of it, he even looks a little like Quagmire.
    (Funny how nobody’s picked on his Conservative allegiances, too.)

  • wipeoutpop

    Oh my god, I totally know this guy. I used to host the Monday night open stage at the Free Times Cafe, and he came in every week for a while to do “comedy.” This was, like, five years ago. I’m sure it’s the same guy. A friend of mine, who saw him at the Free Times with me many Mondays, got carded by him recently, too. We couldn’t believe he was still lurking around. I wonder if he still has the clown nose he used to wear during his act.
    Pavel, if you’re reading this, it’s me, Todd. I still think you’re a douche.

  • fantasygoat

    Joseph the Lover, I believe, was just an online persona for Dmitry. No one ever saw him in person.

  • rosadraconum

    Oh, ick. I met this guy back in October coming out of the College subway station. I was wearing a fedora, and so was he. He said I had a nice hat, I thanked him and tried to continue on my way, but he stopped me with the phrase “But people in hats should know one another.”
    He started trying to get close to me, and said we should get to know one another because he was “looking for a lover.” I think I took a step back I was so shocked.
    “But perhaps you are in relationship! Well, when relationship ends, here is my card, and you can telephone or e-mail me.”
    I took the card (it was slightly different- instead of “would you like to swing on a star?” it asked if I was tired of being a good girl) and high-tailed it out of there, and he yelled down Carlton after me: “BUT PEOPLE IN HATS SHOULD KNOW ONE ANOTHER!”
    Creeeeeeeeeeeeeeepy.

  • raches

    Svend the Lover….rofl

  • Svend

    heh heh heh
    In that case, no love for you Raches.
    Not even a hug.

  • bxmx

    OK so I read this article earlier today… and tonight I think I saw him in person!
    I was taking the Spadina streetcar just after 11 around Nassau when a man got on the streetcar. I first noticed him glancing at the girl in front of me… and then seconds later he walked up to her, bent down so his face was very close to hers, and said “you have no idea how desirable you are”, to which she nervously thanked him. He then reached into his pocket, pulled out a white card to give to her, and said “e-mail me”.
    Then he wakled towards the back of the streetcar, and then walked to the front (maybe checking out other girls?). He had a seat near the driver and was periodically staring at her.
    Creepy…

  • somegirl

    Single men, next time you are complaining and wondering, “Why are women so cold and unapproachable? Why are they so suspicious of a simple, friendly conversation?” know that you have jerks like these guys to thank. They may have got it down to a “technique” but there are plenty of pushy assholes who are doing it freestyle as well.

  • realidealist

    No doubt these guys are completely disgusting, but nice guys have an opportunity here. Suppose you’re a nice guy and you witness this type of thing happen, you could be the hero who volunteers to punch the guy in the face! You may not get the girl but you’ll be saving the reputation of good guys every where. And, it will give you a great story to tell.

  • Svend

    Yeah, women need knights on white horses saving them from distress. lol.
    Why not also punch out panhandlers who are annoyingly persistent?

  • realidealist

    Not so much knights in shining armor as guys who defy the stereotype of “typical a–hole.” So I exaggerated about the punching in the face. Violence is never the answer.

  • andrew

    Or, you could just be a decent human being. And refrain from hitting anybody. And only come to the rescue of damsels in distress when they ask for rescue. Women are capable of rescuing themselves. Nothing wrong with a polite, “Hey, you ok? This guy bothering you? Want me to contact the police?”, but if the answers are “yes”, “no”, and “no”, then go away. Maybe they’re playacting and don’t want you interrupting their little game. Maybe she wants the glory of rejecting the guy and shaming him publicly for herself.

  • rlowenberg

    I don’t think what this guy is doing is enough to warrant putting his phone number and facebook profile online for everyone to see. The person who wrote this article is the asshole. This guy might be annoying but all he’s doing is asking girls out for God’s sake!

  • http://null A

    Lucky me, I’ve now been approached by this man twice. Once, I was on the subway with a friend as he blurted out, “YOU’RE EXOTIC,” amidst a crowded subway car, then proceeded to lurk creepily behind me when I blatantly stopped looking at him or even acknowledging his presence.
    The second time, only yesterday. Ah, fond memories of seeing someone get up from a bench and follow me, side by side. My heart fluttered when, once again, I found myself hearing those sincere words, “YOU’RE EXOTIC.” Swoon. My new lover then followed me into the grocery store after I had told him I was not single and pretty much never stopped doing what I had to do while he talked in the background. This time I got a card and he left me alone. I must have had murder on my face at that point because he was taken aback when I turned around to take the card from him, only uttering a grunt to his request that when I am single, I should give him a call.
    I love a man with such integrity- no adultery for Pavel.
    If there’s one thing I can say it’s that women put up with this shit way too often. As girls we’re taught to be polite, even when we are being treated poorly. Any rudeness would be seen as “bitchy”… but it’s not- it’s perfectly fair and reasonable to tell someone like this to FTFO.
    If Pavel ever follows me into a grocery store again, or even talks to me I will tell him, directly, where he can shove his business card.
    BARF.

  • http://null idealisticcynic

    He approached me on the Bloor line at Broadview. He was staring at me, then to approached me. At first I was polite, told him I was married (I’m considerably older than Ms.Pearce so he didn’t ask my age). When he handed me his card, and I read the back “Certified Honours Graduate of the Dmitri the Lover…” I laughed out loud – guffawed really – right in his face. After regaining my composure and making a mental list of all of the people I had to share this ridiculous story with, I told him that I had communicated with Dmitri years ago (online dating at the time) and that I found the idea of a degree laughable. Pavel explained to me that feminists didn’t like them, but remained undeterred. I got off at Sherbourne and did a car switch.
    Seriously, there is nothing wrong with being friendly, or even trying. But when politely refused, back off. Or, pursue advance studies at being a ridiculous, pathetic ‘guru’, maybe Dmitri is giving deals in this economy.

  • http://undefined Abadonna8

    I met this creep today as I was exiting the subway. Apparently I’m “very elegant”… He’s Russian (I can vouch for that fact) and was really drunk. I am completely disgusted. Too bad I registered the Dimitri factor too late to give my input.
    His card has changed, now it just says Pavlik on the front with pavlikshkolnik@gmail.com. On the back: Recommended by TorontoRealMen.com and the digits are : 647 818 8947.

  • http://undefined tyciol

    This Pavel guy seems almost as sexy as Pavel Tsatsouline. I bet he has a hairy chest and does side splits and snatches kettle bells to impress teen girls.

  • http://undefined Happily Married

    So it was summer of 2008 when I was first approached by Pavel the (gag) Lover. I had never heard of Dimitri, so I was going into it blind. At the time I worked at Spadina and Bloor, and was heading to the Second Cup at the JCC to grab a coffee. This “guy” came up and told me how elegant I was, I said thanks. He kept talking and I told him I was married, but it was a beautiful day and lots of other girls were out, so he should look for a date elsewhere. He replied, “I’m not looking for a date, I’m looking for a lover.” I told him he could probably find one of those too, and kept walking. He followed me and as I was walking up the steps he said, “you have a fabulous ass”. While I can’t argue with that fact, I had heard enough. I said, “STOP FOLLOWING ME.” As I was standing in line waiting for my coffee and still shaking my head, he came into the Second Cup and set his card down on the counter in front of me. He said, “when you get the courage, call me”. I’ll give him this, he’s bold. The reason I’m writing this is because my friend who still works at my old job just sent me a message saying he accosted her yesterday…. he’s still out there, and up to his old tricks.

  • http://undefined Lauren Page

    I was approached by this guy at the Tim Horton’s at College Park at least a year ago. I talked to him for about 15 minutes mostly because I couldn’t believe how hilarious the situation was. He showed me a picture of his penis on his cellphone. That’s about when I decided to end our conversation. I still have his card as a reminder of how funny it was. I saw him working his magic at Harbourfront last Saturday evening while having drinks with friends. He didn’t look like he was having much luck. Ew.

  • http://undefined sss

    This guy looks incredibly creepy. This is the kind of guy who makes girls uncomfortable with guys who approach them.
    I’ve been trying to improve my social skills in malls and around town. I make sure that girls are comfortable when I’m chatting with them. If they don’t want me there, I can sense it and I leave. What I try to do is make eye contact and smile before talking to them.
    This guy shouldn’t make you girls suspicious of guys who try to talk to you. He’s only one man in a city of millions of men.