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Terroni Abhors Your Unsophisticated Palate

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Photo by jeff caires from the Torontoist Flickr Pool
High-end pizza joint Terroni needs to get over itself. With three locations in Toronto and one in Los Angeles, the owners mean to bring a taste of the southern Italian old country to the West, but one element that is hardly Calabrese-like is the excruciatingly tedious attitude.
As reported in the September issue of Toronto Life, simply asking for some cheese on a fish pasta dish at the Queen Street location spurred an icy rebuke from the server, who condescendingly sighed, “That’s not how the dish is served.” When the customer then offered to use the grater instead, sparing the server from the indignity of sullying such flawless fare, the denial held firm, forcing the customer to pick parmesan off the plate of a companion.


The unjustifiable pretentiousness is echoed in a blog post by Torontoist reader Rahul, who experienced a similar incident at the Adelaide Street venue. As the food arrived and the server was grating fresh cheese and pepper for the table, a woman in the dinner party requested some for her pizza. Refused. Terroni only allows grated parmesan on pasta dishes, not pizza. To add insult to, uh, insult, eating out was a rare occasion for this customer to enjoy cheese: due to her young son’s severe allergy to dairy, it wasn’t allowed in her household.
terroni_grater_11Aug08.jpgAfter unnecessarily having to explain this to the server, who then had to appeal to the manager, the dinner guest was allowed some cheese “this time, but don’t expect it again in the future.”
These don’t seem to be isolated incidents. Internet consumer reviews recount the restaurants denying loads of simple, uncomplicated requests—cutting the pizza, omitting items for allergies, extra sauce, no onions in a salad, butter instead of olive oil for bread, and even extra water.
Restaurants often employ a “no substitutions” rule in order to keep the kitchen efficient, prevent certain tastes from clashing, and to avoid difficult customers “reinventing” the menu. Even fewer—and Terroni is not in this category—are legendary for the work of a famous chef, and therefore eating entirely at the master chef’s whims is a pre-established privilege. Still, there are salt and pepper shakers on the table for a reason: because customers have autonomy over their own taste buds, and wish to fully enjoy the meal which they are paying to have prepared for them.
More ponderous than Terroni’s unyielding and arrogant ban on all substitutions is the tableside humiliation that comes with it. Your companions may gladly accept cheese hand-grated across their dishes, but how dare you be so ignorant to compromise the integrity of your pasta puttanesca by asking the same! If your eight-year-old brat wants butter on her bread, haul her boorish palate to Olive Garden. Sure, pizza is most conveniently consumed in slices, but any true Italian food aficionado could navigate a rock-hard thin crust pie with a butter knife and not create a spectacle of crusty shards and grunts! Also, by questioning the chef’s indefectible personal taste, you’re obviously an uncultured asshole, so allow us to make that perfectly clear to your dinner associates.
Southern Italians are known for their friendliness and hospitality, and ironically, “terrone” or “terroni” is actually a slur directed at a southern Italian, seen as poor and unsophisticated by the more affluent northerners. Italians take their food deadly seriously, and Terroni founders Paulo Scoppio (now deceased) and Cosimo Mammoliti proudly boast humble beginnings and southern Italian heritage, yet it’s difficult to imagine a true southerner refusing to oblige a guest at his table. Infamnia, Terroni.
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  • Gauldar

    Ahh, the pizza nazi. Another example of how art and business at their extreams are difficult partners. Personaly, if the chef was looking in my direction there I would deliberatly shake some salt/pepper on my pizza just to watch the guy wince.

  • Stephanie

    Hear, hear. In Sicily this past winter I enjoyed many cheeseless pizza options, ones that tasted just like the pizzas I used to eat at Terroni until I became extremely lactose intolerant. Terroni wouldn’t remove the cheese from one for me saying it would be “too dry.” Funny that the identical resulting pizza wasn’t too dry in Italy. Oh, and they cut the one regular-menu reasonably priced non-dairy dinner off the menu too. We’re looking elsewhere locally for extended-family dinners now.

  • Gauldar

    Hmm, I should also ask if Terroni allows you to BYOC.

  • robducey

    this may not be the waiter’s fault. i used to bartend for the rubino bros (Luce, Rain). those dudes would threaten to fire you if you came back with any “substitutions”. 99/100 waiters want you to be happy and enjoy your meal, as it will decrease the stress of their shift and increase their profit potential. but if you’re gonna lose your job/get shitty sections and shifts, then you have to be a dick about that sort of thing. lesser of two evils.

  • mantisory

    Terroni are sooo pathetic at customer service. A friend went there for a birthday celebration. They burnt the pizza and were offended when they asked for new ones – they said “That’s the way they come” (after smoke alarm bells had been ringing from the kitchen for 10 minutes – no lie!)…when they did recieve new ones, the waitress said “Please inspect them [i]before[/i] you cut them.” (Were they going to serve the previous burnt ones to another customer?!?)…then they wanted a 5$/head cutting fee to serve the cake which someone had brought for the guests, because “Desserts are our specialty” (obviously it isn’t service!)
    When I was there, they would not give us any balsamic vinegar for our olive oil (WTF?!?)
    And the waitress seemed really put out when my friend asked them to make sure his greasy (and I mean greasy!) duck was actually cooked when he returned it the first time…
    I will never return to this pretentious, crap-tastic restaurant, and I hope everyone else takes heed!
    B

  • David Newland

    Am I the only one who feels uncomfortable with using this forum to arbitrarily attack a local business?

  • mantisory

    I don’t think it’s arbitrary – given the article…

  • David Newland

    No question there’s plenty of data out there which this article has summarized neatly.
    But isn’t it arbitrary to point out issues with this business in particular? Surely there are hundreds out there with myriad bad reviews, negative anecdotes, reputation problems, health board violations, etc to their discredit.
    What criteria were used to pick (and pick on) this one?

  • toranna

    A little strange, I think, to insinuate that status as a “celebrity chef” is a fair justification for rejecting menu substitutions/alterations. I’m sure that whoever cooks for Terroni deserves just as much respect for carefully and SKILLFULLY (remember, kids: the guys in the kitchen are trained professionals) building his/her menu as Jamie Oliver does for winking his way to stardom.
    I’ve been to Terroni many, many times and never have I experienced the angst and frustration with the resto’s strict menu-adhering policy, mostly because I, a food-lover and food-preparer, have no problem respecting and trusting the culinary expertise of someone who just might know better than me. I’m also not a picky eater, and it sounds like that’s an issue rife amongst the commenters and Terroni patrons above.
    Terroni scorners, take heed: There are plenty of fine dining establishments across our fair city where you can truly Have It Your Way.

  • Gauldar

    What criteria were used to pick (and pick on) this one?

    The blog post is specifically regarding this particular restaurant, I’m just responding to the topic. By all means, if you’ve had bad experiences at another self-proclaimed “fine-dining” establishment it would still be related to the topic.

  • rek

    David N – Why does it matter? Should Torontoist only publish positive reviews?

  • Astin

    There’s an interesting line with restaurants. I personally cringe when someone grabs the salt or pepper before even tasting their meal. I also don’t like that I’m immediately accosted in most restaurants with “fresh cheese or pepper?” as soon as the plate is put in front of me.
    Why? Because I have no idea what the meal tastes like yet! Let me have a bite, and then I’ll let you know if I want cheese or pepper. So many diners are used to bland food or just the automatic need for additional seasonings, that they don’t taste anything anymore.
    I have a friend who immediately blankets his meals with fresh ground pepper (I feel bad for the servers every time). I imagine that he only likes pepper, and not any of the other flavours that would be destroyed by his liberal application of the black stuff.
    That said, if the customer actually samples the meal first, and THEN requests cheese or pepper, I have no problem with it. Why? Because our tastes are individual, but I think the chef should be given a chance first.
    Terroni, however, from these 2nd hand stories, seems to be stepping over that line. There’s no need to be rude, or deny a substitution based on allergies or intolerances. The holier-than-thou attitude of the staff is uncalled for.

  • Marc Lostracco

    David Newland: Why should a service establishment that intentionally degrades the level of service for the product that customers are paying for not deserve to be called on their questionable policies?
    Surely there are lots of other restaurants out there with leave similar bad tastes in customers’ mouths, and I’d say that they also should be called-out if bizarre anecdotes arise. Terroni is not only well known, but stories about its difficult reputation are hardly isolated to a few disgruntled customers. Their policy is lame, and degrades the dining experience for most people. They freely incorporated their policies and rigidly implement them (even at the cost of customer satisfaction), and they shouldn’t be allowed some sort of immunity just because they are a local business. Note that I haven’t criticized the quality of the food itself, but rather the operational policies of the restaurants.
    toranna: I resent the assumption that a meal shouldn’t be questioned because it was prepared by someone who “knows better.” I know what I like and I know what I don’t like. A child isn’t likely versed in the fine notes of cold-pressed Pulgiese coratina olive oil—they’d rather have butter on their bread, and deserve to have such a simple request accommodated. Someone who is lactose intolerant should be able to have a salad free of cheese if they so request. Someone (like me) who absolutely can’t stand the taste of mushrooms should be able to have the made-to-order dish prepared without them—not be forced to order something else.
    There’s a level to which special ordering crosses the line, becoming a particular imposition on the server or the kitchen, but this is not what is being discussed here. It’s Terroni dropping unnecessarily harsh and pretentious rules on their customers—rules that counter what people are used to in almost every other restaurant. The only reason is because they think they know better than you do what you find delicious…hence why I stated right off the top that they need to get over themselves. Because they do.

  • Julie Reitsma

    how does asking for extra water count as picky eating? or requesting grated parmesan? i think saying that anyone who may have an allergy, or has personal preferences about a dish, is “picky” is rather dismissive, as is referring to previous commenters as “kids.” i have never had an issue at terroni either, and it is a favourite of mine, but i think that relegating anyone who has experienced bad service there to burger king is, well, a tad elitist…?

  • RealityCheck

    Terroni can do nice pizzas and salads, but the strict no substitutions and overly authentic menu puts them far down the list of places I’d like to go to.
    For great cheap Italian food, Mercatto is a much better option if you’re looking for lunch downtown (i.e. competing with the Adelaide store). The competition for pizzas is pretty much Il Fornello and Bar Mercurio, but both are a little bit slower than Terroni.
    If you want superb service, go to Spuntini on Avenue. It’s always packed, but they have no attitude and are always a delight to deal with. Quite shocking compared to much of the Yorkville scene, especially their downstairs neighbour – Sotto Sotto.
    Anyone else have constructive suggestions on good sit down pizza and pasta places? And neither Via Allegro or anything on College counts.

  • jawknee

    When Terroni was on Victoria street near where I live, I used to frequent the place a lot. When they moved into the GongShow location on Adelaide, I have to say, the quality suffered BIG TIME. It’s difficult to swallow a $12 Margherita that’s crust has the consistency of what I can only imagine Elephant skin to be like.
    If you want really good pizza (substitutions allowed) there is a place in the Ontario Design Building called Mangia & Bevi Resto Bar
    http://www.mbresto.com. I would eat there everyday if my softening figure allowed me. But alas I can’t.
    Oh, and all the pizza spinners are Ex-Terroni employees who left when it started turning into the pretentious piece of crap that we all know and love today.

  • RealityCheck

    As to no subs for an artiste chef – definitely true. Places that only do tasting menus need to be respected – you’re going for a culinary adventure and should prepare oneself accordingly. Real food allergies of course merit changes, but do consider where you’re going if you have severe allergies or other dietary restrictions – vegans at Harbour 60 or Thuet are going to be more than slightly hard pressed, while someone with anaphylactic reactions to shellfish need not even walk down the same side of King as Rodney’s.
    If you’re going to a restaurant for a chef’s reputation (or well the exec chef’s reputation) you should trust him or her for the experience. If you go to the Fat Duck or El Bulli often enough to be friends with the chefs, then ask Heston or Ferran to customize things for you. Otherwise, enjoy your adventure at Madeleine’s, Splendido, Canoe, Jaime Kennedy…

  • toranna

    Marc, I resent the (widespread) assumption that, if you request something, you should be able to get it, for no other reason than the fact that you WANT it. It’s sad that, when diners who are used to being coddled by waitstaff and kitchen help are shut down, such outcry ensues. You’re 100% right about one thing — we are definitely used to being pampered and having our every whim catered to by just about every other resto in town. I would argue that there’s a lot more pretension to demanding to have one’s needs constantly and fully realized — and publishing a diatribe when they’re not — than to being a restaurant owner and simply saying “no.”
    As far as food allergies and dietary accomodations are concerned, I sympathize. But a close review of Terroni’s menu shows that there are in fact dishes suitable for everyone from picky eaters to the lactose-intolerant — and I see nothing wrong with ordering one of these dishes.

  • tripper

    For more Terroni-bashing fun, check out Restaurantica. The customer dissatisfaction seems to go way beyond the food.
    http://www.restaurantica.com/on/toronto/terroni-restaurant-queen/23004884/

  • tripper

    “I resent the (widespread) assumption that, if you request something, you should be able to get it, for no other reason than the fact that you WANT it”
    How about the fact that you’re paying for it? We’re not talking about outrageous and bizarre demands here. We’re talking about a little extra cheese or some sauce. Hardly worth the fuss.
    Is business so good that Terroni can afford such bad publicity?

  • rek

    toranna – You see nothing wrong with forcing someone to order something they don’t want because the kitchen refuses to omit an ingredient that would cause a medical condition to flare up, perhaps even kill the customer?
    Why even have menus, just have the waiters bring out whatever the chef feels like cooking. Hell, having waiters just coddles customers: Make them go back to the kitchen to pick it up themselves, I say!
    If restaurants want to act like arbiters of taste then they need to make it clear before you pass through the doors or make a reservation that you may be required to eat things you don’t want or are deathly allergic to because The Chef Knows Best.

  • toranna

    Torrani, on their menus and their website, make it explicitly clear that they have a no-substitutions policy.
    And I don’t think anyone is having food shoved down their throats to the point that death should be an immediate concern — this “being forced” to order something argument runs a little thin when you consider the decision to eat at Terroni in the first place is an independent decision and that the restaurant’s menu is visible in the doorway and on the website (where the no-substitutions thing is also quite evident). Hell, I’ve been to Toranni with vegans who order what’s available and enjoy it. Most people I know with unique food allergies and/or preferences are used to having to work around a menu, anyways, and seldom complain. Besides, if you have serious food allergies, wouldn’t you do some research on where you’re planning on eating?
    I do see something wrong in kicking up such a fuss over this place and accusing a defender of these (widely advertised) ordering policies of elitism. I’m not going to deny that Terroni erects a few more barriers than most semi-fine-dining establishment in the city, but I don’t have such an overwhelming sense of entitlement that I’d call them pretentious for doing so.

  • Marc Lostracco

    toanna: Restaurants are part of the SERVICE industry, and exist to provide a service to customers, and one in particular that drastically hinges on personal taste. If Terroni really has such contempt for those who don’t wish to eat what they’re given, they should turn those customers away at the door, get rid of menu-ordering, and become reservation-only. But one other thing that Terroni doesn’t offer is reservations.
    Customers deserve to be able to make requests within reason to better exploit their personal tastes. I, for example, love food so spicy that it borders on physiological danger, but no restaurant in their right mind is going to serve it that way. Still, I deserve to be able to add black pepper or red pepper flakes in order to make it more appealing to me. As it’s been said above, I am paying for it, after all.
    A diner at Terroni should have no problem getting an extra glass of water or a sprinkle of grated parmesan upon request.
    There are little things worse than food snobs, and considering that most people aren’t there to meticulously critique the talent and schooling of the chef but are instead just trying to enjoy a walk-in meal with friends or family, Terroni should be able to accommodate similar minor requests. The policy likely alienates more customers than impressing food snobs, and isn’t the restaurant business tough enough without intentionally irritating your paying customers?
    I’d like the owners of Terroni to go into a clothing store and have their purchase turned down because it wasn’t made for their body type or because it didn’t go with the pants they were planning on wearing with it. They’d probably have a big problem with that.

  • Julie Reitsma

    where is it widely advertised that asking for extra water, or parmesan cheese on your pasta or fish, is not permissible?
    sorry to say it, but some of your comments are, in my opinion, snobbish (read ‘elitist’)—”have it your way,” anyone?
    as i said, i’ve had no issue at all with terroni. but i agree that if the waiter is already at the table with the grater on offer, and i’m paying, then hell yeah, i’m going to be entitled to some cheese if my little heart desires it.

  • toranna

    You know, I’m not actually saying that we, as diners, don’t DESERVE to make requests and have then fulfilled — I just think it’s a little far-fetched to expect exactly what we want, how we want it, 100% of the time, just because we’re paying for it (I pay a lot of taxes, but I don’t always like how they’re being used). If diners really have such contempt for what and how they’re being served, they ought to select the location of their evening meal more carefully. As mentioned above, Terroni gets a whole load of bad press, but I would guess it’s more than just “food snobs” who keep the place in business.

  • tripper

    I wouldn’t call wanting a little parmesan on your pasta an “overwhelming sense of entitlement”
    I WOULD call refusing such a request because there are very strict and clearly posted rules about such things a little rigid and anal. And just plain silly.
    I don’t care how “semi-fine-dining” this pizza joint considers itself.

  • Marc Lostracco

    Text from Terroni’s menus (except the Los Angeles one):

    No modifications, No substitutions, No reservations
    While modifications may seem easily accomodated [sic], such requests compromise the unique characteristics of our food and the efficiency of our service. Please respect our menu

  • Gauldar

    Today’s special:
    Ebola served over sour frog ass.
    I think this thread has gotten to be more serious then it needs to be.

  • Vincent Clement

    tripper: You are paying for what is listed on the menu and are subject to whatever conditions are listed on the menu. It’s up to the chef and business owner to decide if they will substitute ingredients or alter the recipe.
    If you want something different than what is listed on the menu then you can ask for a substitution and be turned down, you can order something else on that menu or you can leave and go to a different restaurant.
    T Rek: If someone has a medical condition then they should find out what ingredients are used, before ordering. If the chef or restaurant owner refuses to disclose them, you avoid that business. It really is that simple.

  • rek

    You’re being unreasonable toranna.
    Substitutions, and asking for some cheese or no onion are not the same thing and you know it. Some extra pepper is reasonable, but substituting the mushrooms for endive, or the tagliatelle for ravioli, no, I wouldn’t say that’s entirely acceptable.
    “If diners really have such contempt for what and how they’re being served, they ought to select the location of their evening meal more carefully.” Except the average would-be diner won’t discover these policies or realize their implications until they’ve been seated and have a plate of food before them.
    Thankfully now there’s a better chance when someone does “research” this restaurant they’ll find it’s not a good place to go if you have your own preferences. Or children. Or allergies.

  • toranna

    Marc has thankfully posted the menu’s blurb, which covers both substitutions and modifications. I know they’re not the same, and so does Terroni, but they won’t accomodate either. I don’t believe that the “average would-be diner” wouldn’t understand “No modifications, No substitutions, No reservations,” which I believe to be extraordinarily straightforward. And, yeah, it’s great that people researching their dining choice in this instance will perhaps happen upon this comment thread, but with four locations and perpetual lineups out the door, the gripings of the Toronto blogosphere likely won’t do anything to change Terroni’s business model.

  • x_the_x

    The reason they are refusing parmaesan and butter with certain dishes is because they are doing regional italian cuisine. I respect that. I think the outrage is a symptom of how commodified italian food has become – these distinctions are lost. In any event, it seems silly to walk into a restaurant and ask them to ignore distinctions inherent in the cuisine they are presenting. To call it elitist seems also to miss the point – surely dining wouldn’t be improved if kitchens stopped pursuing excellence. 90% of the food on offer in Toronto was unavailable 20 years ago, and has proliferated because restaurants refused to be limited by the range of their customers’ palates.
    I think, however, the outrage is justifiable when you consider the rudeness. Diners don’t have a right to dictate the menu but they should be treated with respect at all times. Being treated like a rube because you don’t understand cheese doesn’t go on seafood dishes doesn’t make for a good dining experience and doesn’t do the restaurant any favours. Also, exceptions should be made for children, whose palates are naturally different than the adults for whom the menu was designed.
    Then there is the fact that it just isn’t all that good. There are one or two things on the menu that are worthwhile, everything else can be had better elsewhere, particularly the pizza.

  • Vincent Clement

    Marc: The fact that they are in a service industry is irrelevant.
    They offer a service – serving food – and outline the terms of that service – no modifications and no substitutions. You can try to negotiate a different set of terms, but it is Terroni’s prerogative to say “No”.
    If you don’t like their terms, find a restaurant that satisfies your requirements. Obviously more than enough people are satisfied with their terms, their food and their service. It’s called choice.

  • Bitondo

    The Terroni staff on Queen have never been anything less than gracious to me and my family. Even when our 2 year old spilt milk all over a busy area during peak service time, they just laughed it off. They’re really busy, but I’ve always found them to be very sweet and accomodating. The food isn’t earth-shattering, but it’s reliably good.
    I also worked as a waiter and bartender years ago (not at Terroni), so I might be overly indulgent of servers but I don’t think some of you realize what a tough job it can be – and how servile some people try to make you feel.
    I have no problem with them giving a little attitude to people who make a lot of fussy requests. There’s a sense of entitlement among some diners that can border on abusiveness. It needs to be kept in check, and Terroni happens to take a hard line on it.
    Just because you’re paying for a meal doesn’t mean you can rewrite the menu. If you think you can improve upon it, you’ve got your own kitchen at home.

  • Marc Lostracco

    If I saw “no substitutions” on the menu, I still wouldn’t expect to be denied grated parmesan with the rest of the table or butter for bread. I don’t consider that (or extra water or cutting a pizza) as either a “substitution” or an inconvenient or unreasonable request. Why does Terroni even offer grated pepper and parmesan if there are no substitutions?
    The article doesn’t state that Terroni doesn’t have the right to impose draconian restrictions on its customers; just that it’s annoying, ponderous, and unjustifiably pretentious, especially when they are attempting to be authentic to southern Italian style. A real southern Italian restauranteur in the old country would get a slap upside the head from Mama if he dared berate a dinner guest for their preferences.
    Terroni reserves the right to impose whatever rules they wish, but they also deserve to be called out on stupidity and poor service, especially since they are serving the wide-ranging tastes of Torontonians and not an exclusive, insular group of Calabrese food critics.

  • davedave

    I love Terroni. Never had a bad meal there, never had bad takeout. I’ve never seen any neighbouring tables having any of these high drama bad dining experiences.
    I can’t believe people are STILL crybabying about having to cut their own pizza. Still crybabying over no substitutions, or cheese or whatever. People need to get over their demanding selves.
    If you don’t like how they do things there or how the waiter treats you or how they won’t let you play Harry Met Sally with the menu, , by all means, feel free to piss off somewhere else. It’ll mean the rest of us won’t have to wait as long for a table.

  • davedave

    And one more thing: Torontoist claims they serve their pizzas with a butter knife?
    Uh, no. No they don’t. Have you ever even had a pizza there?

  • Miles Storey

    Bitondo, I think everyone realises that waiting isn’t an easy job, and no one is saying that you should be able to re-write the menu. The issue here isn’t even about substitutions, it’s about someone standing next to the table with cheese and a grater saying that no, you can’t have the cheese on your pizza.
    That level of control over your meal is over the top, and is bound to make customers feel belittled or humiliated when their requests are denied, as if they epicurean dunces.
    I’ve spent a lot of time in Italy and Terroni’s ‘authentic’ pasta wouldn’t impress anyone there though the pizza I had was good. I liked the atmosphere and the service was ok – though I didn’t ask for cheese on my pizza. There was nothing to justify a policy like this.

  • toranna

    But you have to understand that they’re trying to be authentic in their preparation style (which is the reason for the strict policy, as explained above) not in their treatment of patrons. Their serving style and ordering restrictions are fair game as far as restauranteurship is concerned, but of course, Nonna would never stand for it. Nonna would also serve larger portions and she wouldn’t let you go home without some leftovers for lunch.
    It’s almost naive to think that a restaurant serving strictly regional cuisine also sees its best interest to be adopting regional mannerisms and actual behaviour. Back when Susur Lee was serving his Chinese fusion, his wait staff wouldn’t turn down a tip, as is customary in most Asian cultures.
    And they may very well be serving the wide-ranging tastes of Torontonians, but I think it was said best here: “90% of the food on offer in Toronto was unavailable 20 years ago, and has proliferated because restaurants refused to be limited by the range of their customers’ palates.”

  • jawknee

    “Then there is the fact that it just isn’t all that good. There are one or two things on the menu that are worthwhile, everything else can be had better elsewhere, particularly the pizza.”
    AMEN.

  • Robsonian

    Marc’s last comment (especially) hits the nail on the head as far as I’m concerned. Terroni has always published their ‘no substitutions’ policy on the menu, but I wouldn’t ever have expected someone to say ‘no’ to me if I asked for cheese.
    Which part of ‘please respect our menu’ means that you can have EXTRA cheese on some dishes, but not any, at all, under any circumstances, on others? Does it mean if I asked for too much cheese on my pasta the server would decline? What if I ordered the wrong wine?
    Certainly there’s got to be some leeway between satisfying the kitchen’s artistic aspirations and a customer’s specific desires. Furthermore, If I want to drink Pinot Grigio with a steak, or champagne with my spaghetti, the person telling me I’m not allowed had better be pretty damn polite, and for his own good, convincing.
    By way of a curiously similar story:
    http://www.andiamnotlying.com/2008/murky-coffee-arlington-hold-that-espresso-between-your-knees/

  • rek

    “Marc has thankfully posted the menu’s blurb, which covers both substitutions and modifications. I know they’re not the same, and so does Terroni, but they won’t accomodate either.”
    Except for the pepper grinder and parm grater they send over to your table, you mean. Shouldn’t those things be put on in the kitchen instead of to the extent the lucky diner gets to say “when”?
    “I don’t believe that the “average would-be diner” wouldn’t understand “No modifications, No substitutions, No reservations,” which I believe to be extraordinarily straightforward.”
    Evidently it’s quite easy to miss and misunderstand. Since when does “modification” include adding what amounts to a condiment offered at the table? Why say “no modifications” and then offer select diners pepper or parmesan? (And how does this policy include “no water” for that matter?)
    “And, yeah, it’s great that people researching their dining choice in this instance will perhaps happen upon this comment thread, but with four locations and perpetual lineups out the door, the gripings of the Toronto blogosphere likely won’t do anything to change Terroni’s business model.”
    Terroni can keep its business model for as long as it wants, I wasn’t cackling with glee at the idea that this review would force a change or bankrupt the chain.
    I can understand wanting your customers to have an authentic ethnic dining experience, but there are limits to how far that should dictate the treatment of customers who ask for very reasonable and justifiable variations. At this point I could say I won’t eat a Terroni thanks to this review, but it seems my allergy precludes the privilege of eating what I want there anyway.

  • toranna

    If the waiter says “no” to the pepper & the parm, that’s covered under their “no modifications” policy. If the waiter says “yes,” that means it’s not a modification and is part of the preparation of the dish, according to classic, traditional Italian recipe, though obviously you (the diner) has no way of knowing this and would have to take your waiter’s word for it. Simple.
    A modification is just that — an addition, subtraction, alteration to a meal, and of course can extend to include the addition or subtraction of a “condiment offered at the table.” I think that’s pretty simple, too.
    You’ll noticed I haven’t touched on the water bit, which is just silly no matter how you look at it and is nothing more than an attempt to have patrons spend more money on San Pellegrino.
    And I’m pretty sure what’s on trial here in terms of “treatment of customers” isn’t the authenticity or ethnic realism of Terroni, because actual behaviour of waitstaff at the resto is by no means a reflection of Italian custom — the adherence to tradition in terms of food prep and presentation, on the other hand, is.

  • accozzaglia

    Uh, whatever happened to delicious, astounding pizza without a shred of pretentiousness? Are you saying it’s either hoity-toity smarmy such as A) Terroni (or insanely-stupidly expensive pies like Magic Oven); tiresome B) Pizza Pizza/Pizza Nova/Amato; or C) stupidly-bland, everycorner pizza parlours where everything tastes blandly the same (and staff elicit no pride in the craft of their creation)?
    Colour me spoilt: nearly everywhere else I’ve lived (incidentally, this would not include NYC, Chicago or Montréal) has yielded a slew of astounding pizza options for reasonable prices and differing atmospheres — from low-key, no-frills parlours with flavourful, distinguished pies; hang-out joints where a big screen telly, beers, the occasional buffets, and pizza rolls keep uni students well-fed at a reasonable cost; to gourmet-quality and chill atmosphere without it being Magic Oven-exorbitant; to local chains where the pizza takes on multiple forms depending on the time of day or night, replete with vegan options right next to a bacon masterpiece and a olive-oil-and-rosemary-kissed (and cheese-less!) Mediterranean pie, and where buying a slice is still always an option.
    Why has this logic entirely escaped Hog Rock Town? Why doesn’t astounding food more often come without astounding pretensions all around (or tucked-away in a “best-kept secret” attitude)? I’m constantly on the look-out for this balance here, and so infrequently does it appear, whether we’re talking pizza, pasta, or anything.

  • accozzaglia

    One more thought: in some senses, the extreme pains directed to atmosphere (think “Restaurant Makeover”-level interior thematization) of a restaurant seems to dominate around here over just producing damn good food where anyone can just go in and enjoy the culinary experience for what it is. I’d so much rather have an excellent dish in a dated-looking place than some hit-and-miss dish in a place where everything visually is so perfect it becomes precious, like a lounge museum piece long on style and short on substance. Or, worse yet, the management insist that their staff act like little Cameron Fryes with lumps of coal up their recta.
    Food is life, and with life, passion. Life is too short for pretension.

  • paigesix

    most people don’t even know how to eat bread properly when dining.
    “no artisan olive oil please–isn’t there some butter i can slather across this whole piece of bread and eat like a sandwich? what? that’s not how it’s done?”

  • PickleToes

    David Newland: Its Torontoist, the writers have a vendetta against all business. What do you expect?

  • accozzaglia

    PickleToes: come up with something constructive to say, please. Indulge me with a comment which invests a little forethought that suggests a two-way constructive discussion can even happen. I’d rather hear what you’re thinking about regarding food on a thread discussing eateries — not being a mealy, insipid Red Delicious that wouldn’t hold up in any apple pie, fritter, tart, or pancake. Believe me, your variety, if presented at the table, would be welcome. Otherwise, it’s just apple juice-cum-vinegar.

  • sheleftyouasong

    in all fairness, you are not supposed to put cheese on a dish containing fish. my own family cringe when i do it, but god damnit if that’s how i like it that’s how i’m going to eat it.
    i should also mention half my family is from italy, directly. my father, all his siblings, half my cousins and nonni were all born in calabria; but real calabrians, while they might not LIKE you putting cheese on your pasta containing fish, will not deny you the right.
    and certainly any restaurant hoping to stay in business and see any repeat customers really ought to treat their customers with a little more respect. i get no substitutions (within reason, allergies need to be accommodated), but denying someone water, cheese, pepper, etc? that’s just nonsense.

  • rek

    When all is said and done, nobody goes to a restaurant for the benefit of the chef.

  • PickleToes

    accozzaglia: Hah, okay, I’ll post something more constructive. When it comes to the extra cheese issue I think that while the restaurant is being incredibly stingy we need to be careful not to think that the patrons are entitled to it. They’ve paid for the pizza, not the cheese that the waiter is walking around with. While custom dictates the restaurant gives you a little extra cheese or some free water if you want it, a custom is discretionary and it doesn’t have to be followed. Personally speaking, I wouldn’t eat there.
    Doesn’t it seem really seldom (if ever) that Torontoist has something good to say about business?

  • Gloria

    After reading the entire thread, I decided that I’m going to go out and fly a kite. The weather’s not cold and miserable enough for me to sit here and decide how offended I am by fellow citizens who eat butter rather than olive oil with their bread (and spread it with the WRONG KNIFE! How declasse!).

  • rek

    The last time Torontoist said something nice about a local business, the author was accused of shilling.

  • baerp

    FINALLY!
    Thank you for showcasing this. Customer service is so vital to the dining experience and although I’ve truly enjoyed the taste of the Teronni menu I feel terribly uncomfortable whenever I sit down in that restaurant. I get that they believe since there is always a large lineup outside their establishment that they can feel a bit pompous about themselves but the level of condescending behaviour is unacceptable!
    I don’t consider this a “negative” post. I consider this a warning shot at Terroni. I hope they read this and perhaps consider some of the suggestions included within.
    There is always a new, hot, tasty, buzz restaurant around the corner that WILL provide both incredible food AND good service that will be looking to woo those disappointed with Terroni away.

  • Bitondo

    This is absurd. It’s a busy popular place with a clearly stated menu policy, if you don’t like it you’re free to eat elsewhere. What a bunch of kvetching crybabies. The place has character and integrity – and if you don’t know how to deal with a little attitude from a waiter, you should grow a pair or stick with The Olive Garden.

  • accozzaglia

    you are not supposed to put cheese on a dish containing fish.
    Oh lord. There goes Caesar salad’s unholy marriage between parm reggiano and anchovy paste. Or tacos pescados with cotija. Or the Friday night fish-fry in Wisconsin, where fried cheese curds and fried smelt or wall-eye go hand in hand.
    Would anyone scoff at the idea of any of these being “peasant food” or low on the culinary pecking order? Food is food, and somewhere a food marriage may be as verboten as a gay couple in Jamaica while embraced lovingly in the arms of another place. That the palate of one region’s tradition should overrule how other regions match ingredients together suggests a cultural myopia or, worse, an ethnocentricism extending well beyond the borders it was never intended to judge.
    To those restaurateurs or food lovers who frown on certain combinations, get out more. Find roadside food trucks in Texas, creole food shacks in Louisiana, or street food in Phuket, Mumbai, Mexico, or Shanghai.
    PickleToes: if added costs are the impetus for a restaurant to deny patrons an add-in request, then two things. One, the business plan isn’t well thought-out, as many places have no trouble making it possible to offer added condiments like parm or romano as a garnish (say what you will, but East Side Mario’s would have gone bankrupt a long time ago, given the amount of parm they probably clear in a year). This should be, planned appropriately, an ancillary supply cost. If cost were an issue, then as a patron, I’d willingly pay extra for a side cup of parm as long as it is offered as an option the way guacamole is regarded as an add-on (and rightly so, given the cost of avocado). Or even salsa (where a place like Fresh, the last time I went, looked at me like a serpent-headed Medusa when I asked for a side of salsa for my veggie burrito; they didn’t have any!).
    Two, if I think add-in A or B will improve my culinary experience, then who is it for a restaurant or café to deny me that synthesis when the add-in is a readily-available ingredient in their own pantry? While it might be, in the eyes of the chef, “inappropriate”, bear in mind that the best chefs look to break barriers and assumptions about food by presenting new dishes with exceptional creativity. And great chefs learn from their diners just as much as they do their own food travels.
    Otherwise, what’s the fun in being all Fawlty Towers about it? The restaurant loses, the diners lose and, ultimately, the city loses.

  • PickleToes

    …then who is it for a restaurant or café to deny me that synthesis when the add-in is a readily-available ingredient in their own pantry?
    Who are they? They’re the ones who own that particular thing you want. I think their well within their rights to say no, despite the damage it does to their public image.

  • accozzaglia

    Right, and I’m willing to pay for that add-in (which is, had you read closely, what I said already)? And they still don’t want to provide it? Then, as with all transactions, my gullet and my wallet will find a second place comparable to the first place which will oblige my not-terribly-exceptional request. It’s not like I’m asking for a side of gulab jamun (mmmm, sweet rose syrup) at a Sicilian joint.

  • accozzaglia

    Further, sure, it’s well within their “rights” to say no, just as it’s the soup nazi’s “right” to say, “No soup for you!” — which, of course brings us full-circle to the absurdity of this Terroni Trip-up remarked in the very first comment.

  • PickleToes

    Absurd is definitely the right word.

  • accozzaglia

    That this thread has as many comments as it does is testament to how personal the passion of food is to people. Food is culture. Food is life. Food is communication. And in the right settings, food is love.

  • Kinoshita

    For a restaurant to be excellent it must be unique, or at least specialized and thus not for everyone. I believe Terroni serves its food in the way it considers the ‘objective best’. You like parmesan on seafood pasta? Fantastic. On your pizza? Great. Salad swimming in vinegar? That’s your call. But honestly, a restaurant should not be faulted for refusing to accommodate your commonplace, or potentially bizarre, gastro-whims. It has an obligation to serve the food listed on its menu in the way described and for the price displayed. Rude, unnecessary slow service or botched food is one thing, but an adherence to their own standard of excellence is an exceedingly rare and particularly refreshing virtue.

  • Marc Lostracco

    Enjoyable customer experience > narcissistic personal standards.

  • Kinoshita

    Dignity > Groveling

  • ronotoe

    are we talking about pizza…pizza? we’re talking about pizza, right?
    no? then pasta? that other incredibly cheap thing to make?
    I don’t care if you charge $50 a slice, it’s pizza.
    this place makes a fool of toronto for charging what they do for pizza. (or the pasta)
    the pretentiousness is a whole other world of hurt.
    it’s good food, but hot damn it’s pizza/pasta. and it’s not cheap. (for pizza/pasta)
    they should be serving it to you on their backs for the money their making.

  • Kinoshita

    Wrong. We should be paying more for the privilege of eating some of the best food available in Toronto.
    Or not paying at all and not eating it.
    Serving it on their backs. Foolish.

  • mdtoronto

    I go to Terroni for the experience they provide, fresh food, attentive quick service, and nice patio too. From their wide variety of menu items I’ve never requested a substitution (- didn’t know about the “no substitutions” policy until reading this thread and I’ve been a customer for a dozen years).

  • accozzaglia

    Kinoshita, were it just the food that one was paying more for, then we wouldn’t be debating part of this larger discussion. It’s when one pays for “atmosphere and décor” as an embedded expense in the dishes you order — where clearly more concern is directed to how the place looks rather than how the food tastes — where we run into problems. And to top that with snobbery? Isn’t that how a generation of easily-stereotyped blue-blood restaurants fell to ridiculed demise for being too stubborn to listen, to adapt, or to extend respect to the dining patron who might, just might, be as versed, if not more so, than the old, tired chef in the back?
    Rude, unnecessary slow service or botched food is one thing, but an adherence to their own standard of excellence is an exceedingly rare and particularly refreshing virtue.
    One’s virtue is another’s haughtiness. But one’s adherence to their own standard of excellence? That’s pride.
    Go to a ramen counter in Japan at lunch hour. Perhaps two ramen options are offered (because there’s only room for two stock pots, which have been in preparation since well before dawn). Exceptional pride is put into that ramen. The counter setting is spartan, unpretentious, utilitarian, but exceptionally clean. And people go there to eat. What you add to your own order — dashi, tamari, whatever — is your business, but just so long as you finish your bowl completely is what matters most to that counter. Slurp away, as it shows tremendous passion in what you’re eating. If you leave the counter without it being completely gone, you will offend the chef. Finishing a bowl is a sign of doing honour for the chef’s care.
    Granted, this is but a single example, but there is certainly a distinction to be drawn between virtue and excellence. The attitude discussed here about Terroni suggests snootiness, not excellence.

  • Skippy the Magical Racegoat

    The waiter did the customer a big favour. The extra cheese would’ve just killed her…with cholesterol.

  • mister j

    comment #70
    lol!

  • Kinoshita

    I don’t think anyone was complaining about the decor were they?
    What I’m defending is Terroni’s RIGHT to serve food exactly how they want it to be served. The article, and much of the discussion, has painted an unwillingness to bend to customers’ taste as some sort of evil. When they refuse to accommodate you, it’s not because they’re jerks and don’t like you, it’s because they believe the food is best experienced in the way they serve it. As a customer, I would take comfort in this, not offense.

  • accozzaglia

    “Terroni’s RIGHT”, Kinoshita? This isn’t some sort of constitutional dispute over rights and restrictions! And that isn’t the crux of the debate here. They could serve glasses of sand and call it their “special kind of water”, for all I care. That is their “right”, of course, but under your rubric, this would be “comforting” because it’s the way they want to serve it in their place.
    But on the topic of décor, I certainly was raising a complaint. See comment @45. The correlation between atmosphere/décor overkill and the aforementioned haughtiness in disproportionately many eateries I’ve given a chance in this metro is hard to dismiss as a mere fluke.
    Here’s a paradigm contrast, though found elsewhere: a small Vietnamese lunch counter called Jasmine Deli opened on the so-called “Eat Street” in Minneapolis, Minnesota, many years ago. They quickly became known for having the best banh-mi in the city (their pho didn’t suck, either). The place was small, perhaps four tables and a takeaway counter service. By appearances, it looked like a fairly typical place found on Spadina Ave. They weren’t open late (maybe 8pm). But their offerings were consistently exceptional, fresh, and authentic. They welcomed you warmly whether you were a regular or a first-timer. As a patron, you were coming into their place, and they wanted you to feel like you were welcome in their place. They accommodated when one’s dietary restrictions limited certain options. No questions asked. They were glad to have your business.
    Many years later, the counter is still there, the quality no less exceptional, and prices still very reasonable. Their success allowed them later to open a bistro across the street called Jasmine 26. Jasmine 26 was clearly intended for a more upscale, leisurely experience. The food, while prepared (and meant to be experienced) like works of the chef’s culinary art, still retains the same core integrity to authentic flavourings and care found at the lunch counter across the street. Of course it’s more expensive. Of course you pay for atmosphere. But the quality and service didn’t metamorphose into one of high-nosed airs and graces experienced at many of the places I have chanced around here.
    It seems to be an acute pattern in Toronto when the same contempt towards patrons is being found at tepid, run-of-mill joints like Mel’s Montréal Deli, just as they are in far too many bistros and cafés well upmarket. Gratefully, there are hard-to-find exceptions, but there simply aren’t enough of these in any culinary grouping within the city to counterbalance the attitude experienced at the bad eggs (which basically crowd the market and then try to out-snob one another in the process).
    When a Toronto foodie experiences this kind of service as a rule, then it’s small wonder why standards and expectations of friendly service by patrons can run so low. Then a nasty cycle begins, whereby patrons and restaurateurs will point fingers at one another ’til the cows come home and expectations are compromised.
    On that note, I can’t wait for expanded street food kiosks to begin humbling overall restaurant haughtiness. When a few colleagues or friends want good food without pretension, they’ll need not look further than the street corner. The street food venue will also become a learning ground where people can graduate their culinary knowledge to something a bit more sophisticated (like moving up to olive oil from butter!) And suddenly, competition for people’s tummies will get a bit more tough for those places where being snooty really starts to become intolerably off-putting for more people.

  • toranna

    holy crap.

  • chenyip

    Eating at Terroni’s makes you verbose and serious.

  • rahul

    @Marc: great post. Phenomenal response.
    @DaveDave: I was there. We were accommodating and adapting to the special rules for eating at Terroni: no substitutions, etc. However, they did not list that parmessan cheese was not to be put on pizza, nor did they explain their stupid rule when we asked for it. We did not make the waitress go out of her way, she was already at the table, offering to put the cheese on all the pasta meals.
    Perhaps you don’t get it because you think being told what tastes good makes it an authentic dining experience. /rd

  • louisette

    I worked, VERY briefly, at the Terroni on Queen. The middle management is composed entirely of childish, slimy, condescending men, and all their “rules” are completely contradictory. Think Terroni doesn’t take reservations? Nope, you’ve just got to be one of their suspicious, ass-kissing regulars. I’m sure if one of these equally slimy guys requested cheese for their pasta, it would be brought out on a silver platter. Oh, and I hated every time I had to refuse to bring customers cheese or balsamic vinegar. Basically, verything about the experience of working at Terroni was awful except the C’t Mang pizza. But even that’s not worth it.

  • Gauldar

    Can someone give me a link to where they state “no modifications” on the website, I only found the blurb about no reservations. Navigating that website is like trying to navigate a hamster cage filled with magazine advertisements.

  • accozzaglia

    Goodness, louisette. That entirely blows. :(

  • rek

    Gaulder – You have to download the menu PDF, which is linked to from the “Where & Why” page but not “The Food”. That page also passingly mentions a “no reservations” policy.
    Their site design is terrible — but maybe that’s traditional web site design in southern Italy, so all’s forgiven. We’re lucky they don’t demand us use IE 5.0 to view the site as it was intended.

  • Gauldar

    Rek,
    Ahh ofcourse, silly me. I should have known I needed to find and download a .PDF file before ever decide to visit a restaurant. Just like in southern Italy.

  • mantisory

    Bitondo:
    “The place has character and integrity ” – what a laugh! That’s why they tried to claim “The pizza comes this way” when it was clearly burnt, and the waitress sneered at my friend when he said his duck wasn’t cooked?
    Please, that is not integrity (nor is it quality) – although it may be character :)
    Menu substitutions – They don’t even allow for clients to ask for something cooked properly.

  • rahul

    @Kinoshita: IF Terroni wanted their meals only enjoyed in the way they think is best, why don’t they say so? Seems to me that you’re guessing at why they have their silly cheese rules, just like everyone else. /rd

  • andrew

    Having just spent four days in Montreal eating through my entire vacation budget, I think the service issue goes both ways. Service in the restaurants we were at in Montreal was not the greatest. Was it because my friends and I are anglos? Because Montreal has some damn snooty servers? The Perseid meteor shower? Who knows. But the food damn well made up for it, that’s for sure. Can Terroni claim that from even it’s most offended customers?

  • Kinoshita

    Rahul, they state quite clearly on their menu that there are “no substitutions, pizzas are served uncut and all olives have their pits”. Doesn’t get much clearer than that.

  • Philth

    Want cheese on your fish? Go to Red Lobster. Want butter on your bread? See Swiss Chalet. Or just avoid decent Italian restaurants altogether, because chances are you won’t find either.
    As for the water, the burnt whatever, and the attitude; people have bad days. I’ve never experienced anything like that at Terroni’s.
    Anyhow, stay angry, there’s nothing more humorous.

  • rahul

    Kinoshta: I like olives, especially with pits, have no issues with uncut pizza, and openly adapt to rules about no subbing. What you don’t seem to get is that their special rules are arbitrary and unexplained: Can we have hot chillies? Sure! Here’s four bowls of freshly chopped hot peppers. Can we please have parmessan cheese? No, not on your pizza. We have a policy.
    Philth: How silly is it that it’s taken over 80 comments to explain this? It’s not anger. It’s actually a search for some logic behind the stupid arbitrary cheese rules.

  • ArnoldDarkshner

    Go to another restaurant and stop trying to screw with something that is fine just the way it is.

  • Gauldar

    Go to another restaurant and stop trying to screw with something that is fine just the way it is.

    Bad news travels faster then good news. That’s just the way it is.

  • Svend

    First I’ve heard that butter on bread is a sign of boorishness.
    Sounds like the Italians are trying to become more like the French in their snootiness, thanks for the warning.

  • Gauldar

    Funny story from a friend of my sister. He was in Spain eating at a restaurant with his friend when the waiter was serving them, and wanted to ask his friend to pass the butter, but didn’t know the Spainish word for butter so just used the French one, “Beurre”. The waiter, then associated “beurre” with “burro” and said, “No, what you just said was “The donkey is here”.
    Another story is when my family and I were in France we stopped by a McDonalds to grab some food to go, my dad then asked for the recipt but accidently asked for the recipe. The guy at the register could hardly contain himself.

  • accozzaglia

    rahul, that was eloquently put. Thank you.

  • tripper

    Strangely enough, I found myself dining with friends last night at Terroni on Adelaide. For some reason this entire drama escaped me until my friend’s pizza arrived uncut. Then it occured to me where I was.
    Anyway, my pasta dish was very nice. Not the best I’ve ever had, but pleasant enough. The waiter helped us select a wine and offered me cheese and ground pepper for my dish.
    My friends also enjoyed their pizza. They were NOT offered sprinklings of extras and it didn’t occur to them to ask for them. We discussed this controversy and the general consensus was that it’s honourable for a restaurant to try to preserve regional cuisine and customs. But it’s also a bit anal and rude to refuse reasonable requests of extra toppings or seasonings from customers.
    All of these rules and policies seem like more of a Toronto thing than an Italian thing.
    The service was friendly and efficient and the place was busy. The waiter said that later in the evening there’s at least an hour wait for tables. So they must be doing something right.
    I’d go back.

  • FLSTC01

    I had the pleasure of dining at Susur’s a couple years ago and Lee himself was in the kitchen. Our server was friendly, knowledgable and bent over backwards to accommodate the special requests of one of our party. This woman is a bodybuilder and is meticulous about what she eats; it’s not a question of serious allergies or intolerances, simply that she regulates every milligram of fat, protein, etc. The waiter agreed to do what he could and consulted with Lee when he couldn’t answer directly himself. During the course of these “negotiations”, the waiter commented that Lee was enjoying the challenge. A challenge he rose to magnificently.
    The result was the hands-down best meal I’ve ever had, prepared and served by professionals who take pride in providing their clients with excellence.
    The idea that some upstart pizza joint would refuse perfectly reasonable requests with pretentious blather about being true to the flavour is laughable. Even McDonald’s will hold the pickles upon request.
    Anyone who believes that being denied condiments, being treated with contempt and slavishly following the arbitrary and dictorial “rules” of ANY service provider deserves what they get. I only hope that telling themselves that they “get” the chef’s vision is sufficient solace for being morons.