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The Battle For Screen Door


In our inbox yesterday appeared a link to a TTC tender for consultant services, sent to us by Joe Clark (as these things tend to be). They’re looking to hire someone to (emphasis ours) “provide professional architectural, engineering/design services and specialized transit services to perform the study concerning the installation of platform screen doors at 75 locations in 69 subway stations and in the six stations that will be constructed within the Spadina subway extension, as well as the documentation to allow the Commission to install a test installation in an agreed upon location.”
2008_5_14WestminsterTube.jpg Sigh. The installation of doors mediating the passage between subway platforms and trains is one of those sound-in-principle ideas that pops up every few years and is promptly shuffled back toward the bottom of the pile of TTC daydreams, somewhere below fare cards and above a commuter ferry service. Although many transit systems in Asia and a few in Europe use such doors, it is extremely unlikely that they will be installed on the TTC any time soon. (Even New York’s MTA has apprehensions about introducing them on the new Second Avenue subway line.)
Instead of shelling out for a high-priced consultant to conduct a study, the TTC, as with most things, could save themselves a good deal of money by just asking Steve Munro. Torontoist happened to do just that at a TTC meeting in February, and here’s why we won’t be getting screen doors in the near future:
1) They’re extremely expensive to install and maintain. Think about the rate at which elevators are currently being added to stations to make them accessible. Now imagine that each station had to have a construction project of at least ten times the scale that would be proportionally disruptive to its normal use. If the TTC had that kind of money, they’d improve service, expand the network, and maybe even implement a new payment system.
2) The TTC simply doesn’t have the technology in place to perfectly align braking trains with specific points on the platform. Although operators are supposed to get as close to the red dot on the wall as possible, in practise there is considerable range within which trains can and do stop (and on rare occasions, they even overshoot the platform). For platform doors to work would require the TTC to create and install an entirely new system of (likely computerized) train controls and brakes.
3) “Everything mechanical on the TTC breaks down in a week. Imagine being on a train and the doors don’t open.” Perhaps we’re being cynical, but consider what would happen if the ability to board and disembark from trains were as tenuous as any given escalator.
4) They would substantially interfere with the way that stations are ventilated. Since the opening of the system, the TTC has relied on incoming trains to push fresh air into the stations. (Although platform edge doors, unlike platform screen doors, do not reach the ceiling, the rush of air coming over a barrier would probably create its own set of problems.)
If you have an engineering degree and want to be the one to break this to the TTC, your first step is to head up to Yonge and Empress and hand over a $25 cheque, money order, or bank draft (but NO CASH) to pick up the bid documents. Here’s who’s done it already.
Video of the Tokyo Metro Namboku Line at Iidabashi Station by Kwitiaow. Photo of the Jubilee line at Westminster station, one of only a handful of London Tube stations with platform doors, by JohnSeb. With additional reporting from David Topping.

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  • rek

    I was expecting something terrible to happen in the video, just because it’s YouTube.
    Seoul has platform doors (plexiglass or something like it, not screens) in some of its busier downtown stations and transfer points, but they also have an excellent air conditioning system on the platforms.

  • wongoz

    Sorry, I must respectfully refute the comment by JohnSeb that Westminster station is the only Tube station in London with platform doors. I believe almost all Jubilee Line Extension stations have them. I haven’t ridden the entire way to Stratford, but I can confirm that at least from Westminster to Canada Water, those 6 stations all have platform doors.

  • wongoz

    Sorry, not the comment by JohnSeb, but the explanation of the picture as in the article above.

  • TokyoTuds

    A nice surprise to see my local station in Tokyo as the example. My zone pass is from Iidabashi (in the video) to Azabu-Juban, although I usually get on at Ichigaya.
    I am certain Steve Munro is 100% correct, and the TTC shouldn’t spend a dime on consultants. The TTC would be trying to almost literally re-invent the wheel. Just pick up the phone and ask Tokyo Metro how much it cost to add the chest-height screens to the Marunouchi Line recently, and that’ll scare some sense into the TTC.
    http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=49Lu2aZC6oY
    Those are a retro fit in the video above. I don’t think the TTC could pull it off, but the Tokyo Metro installed them without even changing the regular train schedule.
    Cheers,
    Tuds
    PS If you have any questions about transit in Japan, ask away. It is one of my favourite topics.

  • iantri

    “PS If you have any questions about transit in Japan, ask away. It is one of my favourite topics.”
    Alright, I’ll bite.
    Its relatively well known that the TTC has its fair share of suicides (though no hard numbers ever surface), but I get the impression that platform screen doors are very common in Japan.
    Is there something of a problem with people hurling themselves in front of trains out there?

  • Kevin Bracken

    iantri: I think that’s the reason there are so many doors in Asian countries: suicide.
    But just like building Luminous Veil, screen doors would only push suicides elsewhere. Probably to the openings of tunnels (like Rosedale for example) where the trains are going the fastest.

  • Jonathan Goldsbie

    wongoz: That’s almost certainly my mistake. Upon reading your comment, I went back and looked at the photo’s Flickr page to discover that it was uploaded over three years ago. So while the statement was probably true then, I guess it’s not now. I’ll change it.

  • TokyoTuds

    Thanks for the question iantri, regarding suicides on Japanese train lines and these screen doors.
    In fact, since suicide is a widely tolerated solution to life’s problems here, these doors do not reduce suicides, but rather simply prevent them from happening on train lines. Suicide has a long and romantic history in Japan (I can’t speak for other cultures), and many famous ones are celebrated in art and literature.
    See the story of the 47 Ronin who committed hara-kiri suicide out of honour and devotion to their master.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty-seven_Ronin
    As for transit, this is a quick and fairly sure form of suicide. It is estimated that hundreds per year happen in Tokyo alone, and a long delay on your train has a high chance of being caused by suicide.
    The amazing thing to me is that the authorities clean it up as fast as possible, so as to resume train service within hours, if not 30-40 minutes. There is certainly an investigation afterwards, but they do not leave the remains on the tracks, as the resumption of service is critical.
    Cheers,
    Tuds

  • matty

    I don’t see the point of these at all.

  • rek

    I just remembered this: A lot of stations in Seoul have waist-high metal fences along the edge of platforms too. They aren’t nearly as useful for preventing people from jumping (obviously), as they are for mounting ads.
    Don’t tell the TTC that last part…

  • dowlingm

    Point 2 will be addressed by the Yonge-University signalling upgrade by 2016 (or so) in order to facilitate the precise stops a 7-car subway train will require (the new ones can have a 7th, shorter, car added while fitting in the existing length). The Bloor-Danforth won’t see Automatic Train Operation for a while after that so platform doors on that line will remain impractical until then.
    As for Point 4, it’s likely that it could only be better post-upgrade, especially downtown in July. It would substantially cut down on the platform air particulates from brake dust, about which the safety folks are bound to make a fuss about one day.
    This paper, for instance, talks about PM2.5 manganese exposure:
    http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ewh-semt/air/out-ext/_consult/draft_ebauche/expose_e.html
    “Regression analysis suggests time in a subway, presence of tobacco smoke in residence, the presence of smoke or fumes indoors, and time in a motor vehicle are the strongest positive predictors of manganese exposure. Similarly, certain subpopulations have elevated mean personal PM2.5 manganese exposures such as metal workers (0.105 μg/m3), smokers (0.027 μg/m3), ETS-exposed individuals (0.019 μg/m3) and subway riders (0.016 μg/m3) compared to individuals without these characteristics or to the whole population (0.014 μg/m3).”
    @Kevin
    “just like building Luminous Veil, screen doors would only push suicides elsewhere.”
    If it means fewer traumatised TTC operators – no problem with that. Having been on a train which hit a suicide jumper, it also causes massive disruption to TTC ops generally and naturally the information/guidance provided to passengers was negligible in the first 20 minutes (at which it was “get off and use the streetcar”).
    “Probably to the openings of tunnels (like Rosedale for example) where the trains are going the fastest.”
    Maybe, but the GO train tracks would be just as vulnerable and the few subway openings easier to block off with netting or other obstacles.

  • dowlingm

    The NYT article on the MTA is worth reading, since it mentions that 2nd Avenue will not have ATO – thus the main reservation.

    “Ernest Tollerson, the transportation authority’s policy director, said Tuesday that the authority was studying the feasibility of incorporating the platform edge doors into designs for the Second Avenue subway.
    The doors, he said, could allow substantial energy savings in the station cooling systems, which would use cold water to chill air blown into the stations and reduce temperatures by about 10 degrees. With open platforms, the hot air from the tunnels would mix with the cooled air in the stations. With doors on the platform edge, the heat from the tunnels would be at least partly blocked and the cooling system could operate more efficiently.
    “They have a lot of advantages in B.T.U. savings and things like that,” Mr. Tollerson said. “They improve the station environment. It’s a design element worth looking at.”
    He described the initiative as part of a larger effort to consider the environmental impact of the authority’s operations.”

  • opheliaslove

    We have these in the Seattle airport and they work really well for safety. I think it’s worth having them in places like Bloor station where traffic is highest and then seeing where to go from there. I’d be interested in seeing how well they maintain them however, as was said earlier that there is always something going with system malfunctions. It could be worse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbyJbtOpIU4