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Green Sulfur

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:11:22 -0500

I think I see how the Holy Wars started now...

mark0

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:27:17 -0500

What "deliberately misleading or obtuse facts" are you talking about? I read Skippy's comment to be an interpretation of borders and how many supposed historical state lines were arbitrarily drawn by the colonial powers of the day. I didn't see it as an attack on Israel in particular, or Canadian sovereignty, or the current international recognition of borders. I saw it as questioning the history of borders worldwide.

x_the_x

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:00:09 -0500

You can cheer for any team you want. Your attempts to characterize it as such notwithstanding, there was nothing in my characterization of the comment as shockingly stupid that was a defence of either "team". Forgive me, but I don't think the debate, such as it is, is helped by deliberately misleading or obtuse facts.

EricSmith

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:19:09 -0500

x: I read Skippy's comment as a reflection on the simultaneously specific and abstract concept of "right to exist," with its implication of moral certainty but lack of concrete requirement. But I suppose that I could just be shockingly stupid and not cheering loudly enough for the right team.

redleaf

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:42:34 -0500

Can someone please explain to me how a riot comes out of a win? It's just something I've never been able to understand.

x_the_x

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:55:26 -0500

The comment that Canada doesn't have a right to exist is disingenous at best. Canada's sovereignty is not challenged and its international borders are recognized. That the commenter thinks that the comment "Isreal has no right to exist" is benign is either a deliberate misreading or shocklingly stupid.

tyrannosaurus_rek

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:53:53 -0500

Is Eye Weekly really running cigarette ads now? I hadn't picked one up in over a year, but a week ago there was one sitting on the subway seat next to me and I leafed through. 2 or 3 full page tobacco ads, towards the back. I was shocked and wondered if they were parodies or something, because I didn't recognize the brand names.

mark0

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:30:50 -0500

Skippy: Far too many of the states that exist today have been drawn along artifically constructed borders irrespective of separate groups/tribes/nations. I interpret this to be one of the reasons why there are many ongoing separatist movements around the world. A perfect example is the Kurds, whose traditional homeland straddles the Turkey-Iraq border. Why was the border drawn to divide the Kurdish people and why were they not given their own independent state? Arbitrary colonial borders.

TokyoTuds

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:00:41 -0500

The way the divisions are aligned, it always insures that only one or two Canadian teams will survive the first round. Not to mention there are too many teams in the league. In any case, I can only hope to get the scores here in Tokyo. With satellite TV, I now get 84 football (soccer) matches a day and zero hockey games. Tuds

Patrick Metzger

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:57:40 -0500

@ Green Sulfur: yep, that's why I said "helped" instead of "became uniquely positioned to".

Green Sulfur

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:52:41 -0500

Aren't the Flames still playing in a Canadian city?

Skippy the Magical Racegoat

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:56:13 -0500

I've never understood the whole "recognize the right to exist" thing. I mean, Canada doesn't have a right to exist either, if you think about it. All arbitrarily drawn nation-states are just someone's imperialistic abstraction. What I'm saying is, they could be a little more diplomatic about the whole thing.