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February 19, 2008

Campaign Confidential: Debates

Torontoist Environment Editor Chris Tindal is currently engaged in a federal by-election campaign. This weekly column is an attempt to offer a behind the scenes glimpse into what it's like to be that mysterious Other: a politician.

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tindal_cc2.jpgLast night was our first public all-candidates debate in this campaign. Hosted by the Bay Corridor Community Association in the Sutton Place Hotel, it was extremely well attended by an engaged audience. For those of us who recognize that interest and turnout in by-election campaigns is often quite lower than in general elections, this was a very encouraging and welcome sign.

The format is similar from debate to debate, and almost always involves opening statements, questions (from the floor, or the organizers, or both), and closing statements. Each candidate rarely gets more than one or two minutes to speak at a time. That's positive in the sense that it forces us to be concise and allows for many questions to be asked, but it also tends to produce somewhat shallow "soundbite" answers.

Last night was truly an "all-candidates" debate, in that all of the registered candidates were invited and participated. In addition to the four major party candidates (El-Farouk Khaki for the NDP, Bob Rae for the Liberals, Don Meredith for the Conservatives, and myself, Chris Tindal, for the Greens), Liz White of the Animal Alliance Environment Voters Party of Canada participated. According to Wikipedia, we can also expect a Canadian Action Party candidate (who came by our office to say hi a few days ago) and a Neorhino.ca candidate, which should be fun.

One of the things that really struck me about our debates in the last election (there were about 12 of them) was how some candidates would play out the exact same script over and over again. As in, Michael Shapcott would say "Bill Graham never did X and did far too much of Y," and then Bill Graham would respond by saying "Michael knows darn well that I did lots of X and almost no Y!" And then the next night they'd play out exactly the same exchange as if it had never happened before. This type of scenario seems to unfold when one candidate repeatedly says something that isn't true (or, at the least, that another candidate doesn't agree is true), forcing the other candidate to repeatedly correct (or refute) them in the same way.

If you missed last night and want in on this action (in my geeky opinion, the debates can be both informative and entertaining), there are a few more debates coming up over the next few weeks:

Saturday, February 23, 5:00 p.m. - Citizen's Income Toronto All-Parties Forum (issue-specific event to discuss the idea of a Guaranteed Liveable Income) at St Luke's Church, 353 Sherbourne Street

Wednesday, February 27, 6: 00 p.m. - St. James Town Debate at Saint Simon the Apostle Church, 525 Bloor Street East

Thursday, February 28, 7:00 p.m. - Candidates Debate at Rosedale United Church, 159 Roxborough Drive

Sunday, March 2 - Cabbagetown Debate - Time and Location TBC

Wednesday, March 5, 7:00 p.m. - Candidates Debate at the 519 Community Centre, 519 Church Street

Monday, March 10 - Regent Park Debate - Location and Time TBC

Tuesday, March 11, 7:30 p.m. - All Candidates Debate at the St.Lawrence Centre for the Arts, 27 Front Street East

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Comments (12)

But where were all the Marxist-Leninists?

 

thanks for the political debate format 101 lesson What the hell were the issues being tabled?

Are the readers of this site so uninformed that they need to know the basic format of a debate?

Or is this just a reflection of how inexperienced you are as a candidate?

 

It's a reflection of the fact that commenters on this site jump all over me if they think I'm promoting my campaign at all. If I talk about the actual issues and where I stand on them in this column, some think that's crossing the line.

Here are some of the questions we received:

-What are you going to do about police corruption?
-If you were minister of the environment, what would your number one priority be?
-What are you going to do for the homeless?
-What's your party's position on Afghanistan, do you support it, and would you work to change it?
-Do you support explicitly prohibiting discrimination on the basis of gender identity in the Human Rights Act?
-What are you going to do about growing rates of Autism and their connection to pollutants in the environment?
-Do you agree that biofules from food crops are dangerous, and would you continue to subsidize them?
-What would be your number one priority to make life in our riding better?
-What one thing would you do to improve democracy in Canada?
-What can we do to make sure the giant EI surplus gets into the hands of people who need it?
-Do you support the labeling of GMO foods?
-Do you support or oppose the Security and Prosperity Partnership? (asked by a CAP member)
-What are you going to do for parents who can't find affordable daycare?

If you'd like to see my answers, we're posting new videos every few days to YouTube.

BTW, if you're concerned about my experience you should know I have more experience as a candidate in this riding than any of my national party opponents.

 

I don't think experience as a sacrificial lamb for a fringe party was the experience the poster was referring to.

 

x_the_x. No I thought it was a fair question, albeit a bit presumptuous ;)

I hadn't really thought of that angle on an article tagged as 'Campaign Confidential'

I have more experience as a candidate in this riding than any of my national party opponents.

spoken like a true politician ;)

 

also "national party opponents" suggests the local stand-in for the Canadian Action Party or Family Coalition or whatever outfit Mel Hurtig is wearing these days has more.

 

Both the NDP and Conservative candidates are in their first election. Liz White is in her second, as am I. Bob Rae is on his 9th. As noted above, there are no other registered candidates.

x_the_x, I have to wonder what your definition of "fringe" or "sacrificial lamb" is. We opened our campaign office full-time before either the NDP or the Conservatives. In the neighbourhoods I've canvassed we have as many or more signs than our opponents. The only CBC radio story regarding the by-election so far featured myself but not a single other candidate. A national poll out today has us tied with the NDP federally, as do two different polls of the 416. At the debate I discuss above, every single national party candidate attacked me at least once, which they wouldn't do (and, previously, didn't do) if they didn't think I mattered.

In other words, this campaign is a serious force, and we're having a measurable impact.

 

Re: "fringe party": Elect an MP and we'll talk.


Re: "sacrificial lamb": def. someone who runs against the distinguished former premier of Ontario for a no-hope party who has never elected an MP, in a meaningless by-election.

 

Two things.

First, while not a supporter of the Green Party, I think that labelling it a "fringe party" is incorrect.

By definition, a fringe party has no influence: think Canadian Action Party, Marxist-Leninists (or whatever they call themselves these days), the current incarnation of the Heritage Front, and so on. They have zero to negligible impact electorally or in terms of shaping the general policy debate. They are, as the name says, on the fringe.

The Green Party is not and has not been in recent years on the fringe of Canadian politics. It poses a minor electoral threat to the four more established parties, hence the level of vitriol thrown in its direction by the NDP (who rightly or wrongly have the most to lose from the Greens' ascension) and the relative neutrality of the Liberals (who have the most to gain from a weakened NDP). More importantly, it influences, whether overtly or tacitly, the environmental agendas of the other parties, who want to preempt possible defections from their own ranks.

Second, I find the criticism hurled at Chris to be all rather curious.

This column was about the structure and format of the debates. Speaking personally, I was always curious whether candidates refine their presentations from one debate to the next on the basis of how other candidates reacted at the previous debate; now I know the answer (and I'm surprised by it). I was also heartened to know that speeches were kept to a minimum and that significant back-and-forth with audience members was encouraged.

There are those of us who are interested not only in the issues but also in the nuts and bolts of campaigning, which includes things like debate format and audience size. I thought this column did a good job in providing an overview of them.

 

Except lots of things other than political parties have impact electorally - until they elect an MP the greens are just another civil society voice and, yes, a fringe party. Really, this debate is silly, but so is the author describing his brand as one of the "four major political parties". Which one is most unlike the other three?

The column sucks because it has not lived up to what it was billed as (and titled): a behind the scenes glimpse of the poltical process. It's more a mundane recitation of running in a low-profile by-election. It's biggest gotcha was that one of the three major parties had bad pamphletting etiquite. It reads like a report in a junior high school newspaper of the campaign for pet club treasurer.

 
The column sucks because it has not lived up to what it was billed as (and titled): a behind the scenes glimpse of the poltical process. It's more a mundane recitation of running in a low-profile by-election. It's biggest gotcha was that one of the three major parties had bad pamphletting etiquite. It reads like a report in a junior high school newspaper of the campaign for pet club treasurer.

Exactly!

There are those of us who are interested not only in the issues but also in the nuts and bolts of campaigning, which includes things like debate format and audience size. I thought this column did a good job in providing an overview of them.

So basically you need to be brought up to speed on the logistics of debating and elections? Realize that most of us are taught this by grade 9 so excuse our impatience with you and the author.

It poses a minor electoral threat to the four more established parties,

It's called causing a minor split in voting. Hardly a 'threat'. If anything, they will create a better vote for the conservative or liberal candidate only taking away votes from the NDP.

 

Man, you have some hostile cats commenting here!

I see they're not as ornery with you more recent campaign confidential submission.

I'll echo that these all candidate forums are fun. If you haven't been to one I recommend you check it out.

I ran once federally for the GPC, and the forums were the craziest aspect. I had a different speech every time, and replied to the questions differently at every forum, but some of the candidates did stick to their scripts no matter what was happening in each community, so I guess Chris and I have had similar experiences.

As for Chris' political experience in his riding, that was a straightforward statement. He obviously hasn't been elected to parliament, and he's obviously no older that Rae, so he hasn't been involved in politics longer than him. Is that so bad?

 
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