January 8, 2008
The Great Torontoist Challenge: Pho Edition
Considered a traditional Vietnamese dish, pho actually only came onto the foodie scene about 100 years ago, tracing its roots to the French occupation and the desire to create a dish that was a happy medium between Viet (the noodlage) and French (le boeuf) cuisines. History lessons aside, pho is a low cost, low fat and healthy way to fill your tummy. It tastes really damn good too.
The Contestants
We kicked it classic style for this challenge and stuck with the Pho Bo Tai. All of the contestants also serve up other meats, such as some intriguing tripe-based pho. Just as an aside for you vegetarians out there, finding true veg-friendly pho can be difficult as many places use meat in making the broth.
- Pho 88. A contender for the best pho in Toronto according to several publications, such as NOW Magazine and the ever illustrious Torontoist, Pho 88 has been serving up the goods since 1989 and boasts a location on Spadina as well as one in Mississauga.
- Pho Hung. Well loved by Torontonians, Pho Hung is regarded as one of the best in the Vietnamese soup game. Torontoist would like to point out that their sign also features a wonderful likeness of La Vache Qui Rit, though we are uncertain what pho and soft French cheeses have in common. Yumminess, perhaps?
- Rua Vang Golden Turtle. The only contestant off the beaten Spadina track, Golden Turtle is, according to Toronto.com, the place where none other than Susur Lee goes to get his pho fix. Snap!
- Xe Lua. A bit of an underdog in this challenge, Xe Lua does not appear to have won any grand prizes for its pho. It is also described by some online chat rooms as dirty and lacking in great service. That being said, it is a name that is bandied about by those in the know when it comes to pho. So there you go.
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Photo of Xe Lua exterior by Chu Hefner from Flickr; photo of pho from Xe Lua by Julie Reitsma.
The Criteria
- Visuals. Pho is lovely to behold, with its different components all floating around in a pretty bowl.
- Ingredients. Is there enough of everything and are all the necessary bits accounted for? Thai basil? Lime wedges? Sprouts? Is there an adequate portion of beef? Proper amount of noodles? Too much broth?
- Freshness. Freshness is key to a great pho, especially when we take into account that there's raw beef and sprouts involved.
- Flavour. Is the broth too salty, too bland, or just right? Are all the pho-necessary flavours present?
- Cleanliness. Spadina may have some of the best restaurants in the city, but they aren't always the cleanest. Then again, sometimes they are so clean it hurts your eyes. It can really go both ways.
Additional Criteria
Pho is generally a pretty cheap meal, but for the sake of having additional criteria we've rated them. We ordered a small from each contestant.
Pho88 ($5.50); Golden Turtle Rua Vang ($5.00); Pho Hung ($4.75); Xe Lua ($4.25)
Results
- Visuals. Pho 88—4.5/5. The whole presentation was spot on, with the sauce trolley, the well laid out plate of accoutrements, and the bowl of steamy goodness.
- Ingredients. Golden Turtle—4.5/5. Really nice cuts of beef, all the necessary ingredients, and very generous portions.
- Freshness. Xe Lua—5/5. This contestant had truly impressive freshness levels. The sprig of basil actually made one of the judging panel mouth a "wow."
- Flavour. Golden Turtle—5/5. The best broth by far, Golden Turtle's offering could actually be eaten without the extra sauces and still be lovely.
- Cleanliness. Pho 88—4.5/5. Maybe it's the renovation, but the whole restaurant had a new, clean vibe that managed to not be sterile.

Photo of pho from Pho Hung by Pitole from Flickr; photo of Pho Hung exterior by technochick from Flickr.
Conclusions
We try to approach our contestants without any pre-conceived notions. Reputations are not always accurate, and so we tried to not allow the less positive comments that we had read regarding Xe Lua bias us when we visited. The restaurant, which is on a second floor, has obviously been recently renovated. That being said, it didn't smell of new wood and fresh paint; rather, a curious and slightly sinister chemical smell confronted our olfactory senses. The owners have also decided on wall-to-wall carpet, which is, in Torontoist's opinion, a nightmare when it comes to cleanliness in any restaurant. The service at Xe Lua was the least pleasant of any of the contestants—the staff didn't actually say anything to us, and the accoutrements for our pho didn't arrive with the broth until we asked twice. Really loud, spastic techno confirmed an atmosphere that was less than ducky. Once we had received our full order, however, we noted the absolute freshness of the ingredients. Xe Lua won top marks for the loveliest sprig of Thai Basil we had ever seen, super crunchy sprouts, a mysterious green biting chili, and quality cuts of meat that had not yet had a chance to cook in the broth. After adding the sauces—cleverly hidden in ketchup and mustard bottles—we dug in. The biggest red flag for us was that Xe Lua had deemed it acceptable to add cilantro straight into the broth. We're not talking garnish levels, either—this was so full on that one judge barely touched her serving. We realize that some people love cilantro, but enough people abhor it that it should only be offered on the side. Xe Lua also used thick flat noodles in their pho; this didn't change the flavour experience, but it quickly became clear that there's no way you should try eating this on a first date, unless you think that having broth all over you and your companion is romantic. The soup was definitely on the bland side, and though the portion was huge, the whole experience really fell short.
Pho Hung has come up next in our challenge, beating out Xe Lua by only half a point. While Pho Hung was definitely cleaner and their staff, with the exception of one who really wanted us to pay our bill the instant we put down our spoons, were much more pleasant, their pho presentation was just not as nice. It wasn't that it was unappetizing, but it just didn't make our mouths water like some of the other contestants. There was more than enough broth and we found it to be quite flavourful, however we found the portions of beef and basil to be lacking. We also noted the absence of the mystery biting chili that, while not something we want to actually consume, we have become quite fond of. It pleased us to know that our pho was brought out super fresh, with the beef still in the process of cooking before our eyes, but we found the meat to be a bit tough, with extra chewing time required. Pho Hung also added cilantro directly to their pho. The difference between the previously mentioned "cilantrofication" and this one is that Pho Hung uses it sparsely as a garnish, making it easy to pick out. We were pleased to note that the flavour did not permeate the pho to the point of distraction. Pho Hung has line ups out the door, and if this is based purely on their pho-production, then we have to admit some confusion. Plethora of rewards aside, this is not, in Torontoist's opinion, the best pho in the city. Perhaps, having been declared the best for so many years, Pho Hung has become lazy and is now in full laurel-resting mode. Regardless, we still enjoyed the experience and wouldn't stamp our feet and pout if a group of friends wanted us to go there in the future.

Photo of pho from Pho88 by Julie Reitsma; photo of Pho88 exterior by Chu Hefner from Flickr.
Newly renovated Pho 88 has taken the second place spot in our challenge. While Torontoist realizes that "courtesy" or "pleasantness" were not actual criteria for this challenge, we need to make note of the following. While Xe Lua were not overly-friendly, and were actually almost completely mute if you disregard a few instances of muttering, Pho 88 started out on the wrong foot in a big way. Due to our intent to hit up four different pho locations in one afternoon, Torontoist decided to order on the conservative side in order to save on tummy room and unfortunately Pho 88 didn't think this was a good plan, indicating that they would prefer we order more than just a small pho. While apologies abounded once one of the judging panel made clear our intentions, we still found it slightly unpleasant that we were being asked to spend more money in a restaurant that was barely half full. We must remember, however, that this is about the pho; and this pho was really good. All the necessary ingredients were present, including the mysterious biting chili, cilantro "stalks"—that could have been fresher—were offered on the side, lots of basil, sprouts, lime, noodles and good helping of beef. The sauces were all in proper containers and there was even a lovely jar of crushed chili in oil. Misunderstandings aside, Pho 88 does a great job with their soup. We'd definitely like to go again and hope that this time we order enough to satisfy the staff.
When we got our bowl of Golden Turtle's pho placed in front of us, the first thing that we noticed was the absolutely delicious smells of cinnamon and ginger. To be honest, there isn't much that Golden Turtle hasn't gotten spot on when it comes to their soupy fare. Their ingredients are fresh, their flavours are drool-worthy, and the portions of all the crucial elements are generous, without a sprig of soup-tainting cilantro in sight. Torontoist was tipped off to Golden Turtle some time ago by the only member of our judging panel to have lived in Vietnam. This gracious judge had deemed Golden Turtle to be the cat's meow long before this challenge sprang to mind, and after touring up and down Spadina with us her opinion has not swayed. While the atmosphere of Golden Turtle isn't quite as appealing as Pho 88, it is a tidy establishment with the friendliest shopkeeps encountered during our expedition. It is obvious that the staff of Golden Turtle know who their regulars are. While we ate, more than one patron was able to pick up some goodness without having to remind the staff what they had ordered or even give a name. What really makes Golden Turtle the best for us is not only the best pho, but the overall experience—a family atmosphere, a clean floor, an invited lack of really bad electronica, a great location. Spadina, with all of its noises, sights and smells, is an intrinsic part of our city, and while being able to navigate it successfully is the mark of a true Torontonian, sometimes we don't want to brave it, and the Golden Turtle experience requires no bravery at all. Unless, perhaps, you order the tripe.

Photo of Golden Turtle exterior by Mr. & Mrs. Sell from Flickr; photo of pho from Golden Turtle by theyoush from Flickr.



Ok, so I know I've been a real bitch about these things in the past, but I gotta say, this particular Torontoist challenge actually falls under the classification of great. You've visited all the places I've heard are great for pho, and you really thoroughly critiqued them.
I may have actually learned something this week.
I (as hard as it is for this foodie to admit) have never actually tried pho before. Shocking, I know. I mean, I've had Vietnamese food before, but not pho for whatever reason.
I used to live right down the street from the Golden Turtle, but never got a chance to go, and now I live on the other side of town. Figures it's the best place to hit up (although I should have known it was good - Susur loves it). I'll have to make the trek back up to Parkdale someday real soon.
I love that pho, but unfortunately, have yet to sample any Toronto pho (other than my mom's). I've had friends rant and rave about Pho Hung, but this challenge has convinced me to make the trek out to the Golden Turtle, an establishment previously unknown to me.
I've actually been craving some good pho since new year's. Perfect timing, Julie.
No good Pho to be found in Little Chinatown 2?
That's disappointing.
the photo of the pho 88 exterior is outdated. it's now become a shadow of its former self by becoming a modernized asian catch-all restaurant and serves thai, viet, and chinese dishes now.
i can't say that i've ever been impressed by golden turtle nor that prominent ginger is something i look for in a pho broth. but if you're going to make a trek out... i really suggest trying pho phuong by dundas west and brock. they offer the "saw" herb that is near impossible to find at other places and has the best viet food in the downtown toronto area. if it helps, susur also dines here.
also, that "mysterious biting chili" was probably a thai-bird chili. not all that uncommon in viet cuisine.
Well, Xe Lua has a location on Gerrard, just east of Broadview, that looks identical to the way the Spadina one looked before the recent renovation.
hi vanessa! i know the photo is outdated, unfortunately my camera is slightly "unreliable" and i couldn't get a shot of the new exterior. i agree that pho 88 has changed a whole lot - seemed very "chain restaurant" and not in the good way. still i liked the pho itself. also with the chili, i figured it was a bird chili, just found it amusing in my own way that a whole chili was offered for...biting. *shrug*
i will definitely try pho phuong - what is "saw" herb?
I'm a fan of Golden Peach, at the unlikely but highly accessible locale of Carlton just east of Yonge. Some people claim not to like the place...but you shouldn't listen to them. Trust your man Skippy.
Now, if you're ever unlucky enough to wind up in Markham, there's a wicked place called VIP...it's so tackily decorated it's almost kinda tasteful. Plus, in addition to hoisin and TWO kinds of chili sauces on the table, they have jars of sliced garlic in vinegar, which tastes amazing if you can handle it.
Good reviews, I don't know about the cilantro "on the side" business. It's pretty much an essential part of Viet cooking, isn't it? I say acquire the damn taste already!
One of the worst pho dishes I've ever ordered was from Spring Rolls, the takeout style one, on Yonge. Ouch... what was I thinking?
There's a Pho88 near Broadview on Gerrard ... closer to where I live, and still retaining its cheesy decor (as opposed to the Spadina location's "Asian chic" reno). It's where I usually go for my pho fix.
saw is actually really similar to cilantro but with a much stronger earthier flavour. some people see the use of saw rather than cilantro as a measure of authenticity of a pho.
i've never actually known anyone to bite into the chili. if it's available, i've seen people either pop it into the pho whole or crushed. i prefer mine not spicy so i forgo this.
I'm not a fan of the Pho88 revamp on Spadina either. I was in there last month, and the wait staff still seemed pretty inexperienced. They had gotten my order wrong - I was pretty nice about it, but the waiter seemed visibly ticked off, like it was MY fault. Although the food was tasty, I found the portion size to be much smaller, compared to other places. They've replaced all of their dishes with fancy (smaller) bowls.
Whenever I get the chance, I always make the trip to the Pho88 Scarborough location - the food and portions are fantastic, and the staff are super-attentive. It also has a bright cafeteria-like setting, which I personally don't mind!
Pho Hung at Bloor and Avenue (across from the ROM) is also pretty great too.
This challenge was awesome and really informative, but I have to agree with Skippy on one thing: cilantro. It's an essential ingredient in Vietnamese cooking and tastes so good. I say the more cilatro the better.
thanks for the big ups karen! my thing with the cilantro is that i don't care if it is present, but can it just be on the side. also, all the pho recipes i can find from what appear to be reliable sites do not put cilantro directly in the broth. i really just can't stand the stuff. c'est tout!
I'm not one to judge Pho, I usually go to Pho Hung for the vermicelli noodles (particularly the stir fry with pork and pork spring roll!!!) but I heard the Bloor street location (at Avenue) has better pho than the Spadina counterpart. Can anybody confirm/deny?
The pho at Pho Hung on Bloor is much better than the Spadina one, in my experience, but the staff are just plain jerks. Inattentive, rude, all that. I've noticed this is only towards other Asians, however, which is fine since most of their patrons are non-Asian.
i agree the pho at pho hung at bloor is better than the spadina, and I'd have to say is one of the best.
kadoos to the torontoist food pundit (why does this IST autospellcheck the word torontoist?)
witty analysis, word play, use of frahnshe to remind us of the other national language (n.b. vache qui rit...which is gross, btw)
But, as a full time commenter in chief at the institute of international blog commenters, I would like to express my dismay with the bulk of the comments.
here are some guidelines for effective effects:
If you are going to criticize the author...don't be dumb. that's it. don't suck ass and remember, this is the internet. You don't HAVE to be passive/aggressive. You can be a trans-homo-13yr old who is allergic to the sun...who happens to like unicorns.
ALSO: make it interesting! Just like I have, with these 2.5 paragraphs of drivel that I pulled out of my ass to waste your time with.
PHO 88 is the best. why? cuz i've never witnessed a baby's diaper being changed on the food prep table. (dundas/brock pho + some other place...4am...spadina..no joke!)
looking forward to the next challenge!!
There's also a new-ish Pho88 at Yonge and Empress Walk (which sparked this Chowhound discussion recommending Pho Bau Do at Finch & Weston).