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Torontoist vs. Torontoist in… Crossing the Floor!

Every week (or so), two Torontoist staffers square off to debate an issue that’s important to our city. We invite our readers to join the debate in the comments section following the post.
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Today Garth Turner became the latest Member of Parliament elected for one party to wind up sitting on the other side of the floor. He’s in good company. The defections of Belinda Stronach, David Emerson and Wajid Khan are still fresh in everyone’s minds, raising the question of whether our system should allow MPs to cross the floor and sit with a party other than the one whose name appeared beside theirs on the ballot. Read on as Torontoist wades into this debate…

FOR

KEN HUNT


It’s always fun to watch when a politician crosses the floor: whatever side is losing a member waves its arms at the injustice, the thwarting of democracy, the cynical self-interest that motivated the move, and whatever side is gaining the member welcomes the new MP with open arms and speaks about sticking up for ones beliefs and the courage it takes to cross the floor. Neither the Conservatives nor the Liberals can maintain a consistent position on floor crossing; their point of view depends entirely upon whether they are winning or losing. The NDP are always against floor crossing, of course, but then it’s easy to advocate for abstinence when you can’t get a date.
There’s no doubt that party loyalists have reason to be upset when the drone they thought they were electing suddenly switches sides. Everyone else should take a moment to celebrate the fact that we still elect individuals to the House, and not all-powerful party leaders and mindless worker bees.
Unless you’re an absolute die-hard, chances are that you change your mind from time to time about which party’s policies are best. A party that you once loved can disappoint or outrage you. The same can easily be true for a Member of Parliament, especially a back-bencher with very little say in the direction of a party. If crossing the floor were not allowed, a member in those circumstances would be left with three options: continue to sit with a party but vote against their policies, sit as an independent, or resign and get another mandate. None of these are practical options.
Voting against your party consistently will get you turfed out of caucus quick enough. Sitting as an independent would be great, but independents in our system are at a massive disadvantage. It is very difficult for an independent member to ask questions during Question Period, and they don’t have access to the research staff or infrastructure that party members enjoy. Furthermore, your future as an independent is necessarily limited. An independent can never form government, and never position themselves to have a real say in the way that the country is run.
Running again in a by-election is, at the very least, logistically difficult and probably politically suicidal. First off, the Prime Minister decides when a by-election is held and they have the option of holding the seat open for many months. Next, a member couldn’t really run for the other party in a snap by-election, they probably couldn’t even win a nomination. Without sitting with a party for a while, and getting comfortable with the apparatchiks the members of the new party would have no reason to trust a recent defector; it would be smarter and safer for them just to run whoever they ran in the last election. A member could run as an independent, but we’ve already outlined the problems with being an independent MP in the House, and those problems are multiplied when trying to run without a party machine to back you up.
Certainly there are cases where a floor crossing seems particularly cynical. David Emerson is probably the most outrageous case of this, but the option to cross the floor needs to be kept open. It’s the only way to preserve what little independence our members have against the power of the political party machine.
AGAINST
PATRICK METZGER


So Garth finally made up his mind. Of course, in the last while there have been a few high-profile defections of MPs from one party to another – in 2005 Belinda Stronach went from the Conservatives to the Liberals, in 2006 David Emerson was lured in the other direction with the promise of a cabinet seat, and just last month Walid Khan quit the Liberals to celebrate his newfound buddyhood with Stephen Harper. In each case there’s been the predictable public outrage and gnashing of teeth, accompanied by the usual lack of action by Parliamentarians who probably want to keep their own options open.
Any MP who crosses the floor to change parties should be required to resign and call a by-election immediately. Not just because it’s dishonest, although it is. Still, if every politician who said one thing and did another was forced to resign we could tear down the House of Commons and put up a laser tag complex and a couple of Starbucks.
No, the fundamental problem is the massive and cynical nature of the dishonesty. The argument has been made that since the voters elect Members of Parliament because they believe that person will best represent their interests, the party to which the MP belongs is essentially irrelevant. Nothing could be further from the truth. In a Parliamentary democracy where a majority, or more often, a plurality of votes will create a government, people vote for parties, not candidates. The tendency is to vote strategically for the party that best represents the views of the individual voter, in the hope that they will become the government or at least win enough seats to have influence in the House. What the electorate is almost never doing is voting for the individual candidate based on his or her personal beliefs, which are generally unknown anyway since candidates are discouraged by their leadership from expressing dissenting views publicly.
The floor-crosser also betrays the many volunteer workers and party loyalists who have supported the campaign with their money and time, and would have done so regardless of the candidate. All these people have invested in a candidate who has claimed to support the ideals of their chosen party, and then turned around and unhesitatingly adopted an altogether different set of views.
And for what? A cabinet position, maybe, or just the warm glow you get from photo-ops with the PM. Certainly not for the benefit of the riding or the nation. The reasons are invariably self-serving and career minded, and have nothing to do with sudden political epiphanies or a desire to better serve their constituency.
The most compelling reason for holding a by-election is that aside from cost and inconvenience – a small price to pay for maintaining a semblance of democracy – there’s no reason not to. If floor-crossing MPs feel so strongly that they were elected on their own merits and not that of their party, let them put it to the test (to be fair, Stronach proved it can be done when she won as a Liberal in 2006). It should be up to the voters decide which party they want to represent them, not the candidate.

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  • http://www.newmindspace.com Kevin Bracken

    I, for one, have always believed that politics should be more about ideology than loyalty.

  • Dave

    Patrick’s bang on. Ken’s uhh, a little out of his mind.
    Anyone who quits their party should have to run for re-election, whether it’s a defection or to sit as an independent (the most worthless and pointless position in parliament). It’s bullshit that the results of an election are suddenly flushed down the toilet because an MP had a change of heart – (well, most often they switch for selfish opportunistic reasons.)
    People voted for the party as much as for the person. To suggest that an elected person can simply switch without having to answer for it is utter bullshit.
    Once a member of parliament quits a party/switches parties, the will of the people in the riding is no longer being represented, and the seat should be up for grabs again.
    Ken complains that having to rewin the seat as a member of the other side is too difficult – well boo fucking who. If a member wants to switch sides and it’s a long tough battle to re-win people’s trust, then so be it. Suck it up, flip flopper. Integrity is valuable because its so rare.
    Members of parliament don’t deserve a free ride to the other side for betraying the people who elected them.

  • rek

    Isn’t that the issue though? People elect someone because he or she more or less represents their ideals, and is a member of a party that supports those ideals. So this guy you put in power decides his personal ideals trump yours and those of everyone who gave him their vote, and crosses the floor. That’s not democracy anymore.
    Representative democracy, particularly our brand, is flawed enough without politicians free to betray their constituents and work against their wishes.

  • Max Fawcett

    Gee, I know this is a radical idea, but couldn’t politics be about doing the right thing, for the right reasons, at the right time? Both ideology and loyalty would seem to get in the way of that.

  • Hamish Grant

    Crossing the floor should indeed mean an immediate by-election. It’s a betrayal of the voters’ intent – it’s not for the elected official to decide whether his constituents elected him for him or for his party – people are parachuted into ridings far too often these days – and you know what, that causes a by-election. Apparently party does mean something… to the parties anyway. So when the party switches the man, it’s a by-election, but when the man switches parties, he gets to stay? Give me a break.
    We really need to change the rules on this. Otherwise what’s the point of having political parties at all if there’s no ideological difference? People are supposed to be liberal to the core, or conservative to the core. Is our political system so screwed up that we actually all agree with one another, and our political parties are just screwing with our heads? So party politics is a stageshow to make elections more interesting? Come on.
    The only turncoat I can deal with these days is Belinda Stronach – when she made the switch she knew there was an election coming so she would be tested – and she won. But the ones doing it right after the election, well… that’s a different story.

  • tastybacon

    Don’t kid yerselves, Canadian political parties are like Canadian beer: not hugely different. Granted, the Liberals are corrupt, arrogant and like wasting taxpayer money on ill-advised programs, but Molson Canadian tastes almost exactly like Labatt’s Blue. You know what I’m talking about?

  • John Duncan

    Hamish,
    Do you really want representatives who are “liberal to the core or conservative to the core”? That sounds like a ludicrously rigid and confrontational way to run a government (or anything at all) to me! What’s wrong with having people who join the party that best suits their beliefs, rather than completely buying in to a party line? And what do you even mean when you use those labels – are you talking about ideology or party?
    Remember, the CPC made a huge fuss about openness and accountability and Gomery during the last election but, once in government, ignored the Gomery recommendations in their “Accountability Act”, refused to talk to the press gallery, turfed a member of their caucus for being open about their decisions and muzzled the rest of the caucus.
    Someone switching parties seems a fairly minor betrayal of voter’s intent in comparison and, depending on the actions of the party they join, (warning: wishful thinking ahead) could possibly better realize most voters’ intent.
    Personally, I’d much prefer people who have the best interests of their constituents as their guiding principle. And parties which can agree on at least some things and work together for the good of the country.
    Honestly, Emerson is the only floor-crosser I think needs to be turfed from the House. The other ones cause me to roll my eyes a little but honestly don’t bother me too much. And what’s really the difference between someone who quits Party ‘A’ and sits as an Independent but pretty much votes in line with Party ‘B’, and one who officially joins Party ‘B’?

  • Diane

    “I, for one, have always believed that politics should be more about ideology than loyalty.”
    I have to disagree. Politics should always be about exercising the will of the people. Nothing more. That is why they are civil “servants”.
    And politics certainly must not ever be about exercising the will of the politician, however well-intentioned.
    If personal conscience prevents a politician from fulfilling the mandate given to him by those who voted for him, then that politician must seek a new mandate, and take his chances at the polls once again.

  • GH

    If we ban floor-crossing because it is the party and its platform that we really voted for, why not eliminate MPs (we are halfway there with party discipline anyway)? Elections determine the number of votes the party gets, then they are automatically voted for any given issue. No need to worry about the actual person you voted for and what they think – the party hacks can rule.

  • http://www.guesswork.ca Patrick M

    There are all kinds of problems with our system – the parties tend towards sameness, (although they’re not yet as homogeneous as the Republicrats in the US), voters are mostly ill-informed and ill-advised, and, in my cynical opinion, the traits that make a person most likely to seek public office are the ones that make her or him least suited to hold it.
    However, that’s the framework within which we have to operate, and I don’t think it’s too much to ask that MPs at least feign adherence to the beliefs and the policies that got them elected in the first place.

  • Hungry Antelope Bear

    Can’t we just abandon all this talk of “Democracy”, and admit that any other party besides the Liberal party are there for show… The Liberal party knows that on occasion they need to back off and let other parties take power, in order to throw blame for the problems they cause. (For example, the Liberals did absolutly nothing to comply with the Kyoto Protocal after signing it… so they let the Conservatives win an election, blame it all on Harper, and the vast majority of Canadians memory can be edited so that they will no longer be aware that the Liberals did jack shit about Kyoto… mind manipulation at its best. Especially since the CBC is staffed and run by Liberal party faithful.)
    When Americans ask “Are the Liberals like the Democrats or Republicans?”, I answer “The Liberals are like the Democracts AND the Republicans, if they merged into one party.”
    Since the Liberal party are pretty much the overlords of Canada, it is not suprising that politicians want to join the Liberals. You are either a member of the Liberal party, or you are irrelevant.

  • http://www.newmindspace.com Kevin Bracken

    > I have to disagree. Politics should always be about exercising the will of the people
    This represents a contentious issue indeed; I have written letters to representatives expressing how I would like them to vote on certain issues, only to get a response expounding on my representative’s personal feelings.
    I was upset, and swore, and asked “Shouldn’t he be voting how I tell him to?”
    And generally, the answer is yes, but Canada is not a populist nation.
    What if everybody in Canada started clamoring for a ban on abortion under any circumstance because of a revival of evangelism up here? But the politicians in Ottawa knew that such a ban would be patently wrong, and refused?
    There is a right thing to do in every situation, and if you ever have a hard time deciding what it is, just ask me ;-P

  • Michael Watkins

    Emerson, Khan, and now Turner, in collusion with Stephen Harper and now Stephane Dion (5 men) have overturned or rendered worthless the votes of over 165,000 Canadians.
    A candidate runs for parliament in large part by supporting a set of policies and promises endorsed and promoted heavily by the party they belong to. While the *outcome* of politics might not seem much different regardless of party, certainly the promises they make and ideologies they promote are quite different.
    Citizens should be able to expect an MP to follow through on their commitments. If the MP has a change of heart (ha! odd, isn’t it, that most MP’s leave opposition to join government side… power… and NOT the other way around) then the MP should believe so strongly in her/his conviction that they can go back to the people in a by-election to earn, not STEAL, a mandate.
    Turner, like Khan and Emerson, should be quite ashamed.
    Mike Watkins, a director of the Campaign to De-Elect David Emerson and the non-partisan group Real Democracy.