Graffiti vs. Wraps

Hands down, I'd rather have ads than graffiti. Ads are at least mildly entertaining, and from an economic standpoint, they contribute to our GDP, provide consumers with information, and are a vital part of the system to which we all belong.

Graffiti rebels should be charged, locked up, and have the book thrown at them. Where do they get off, spraying their unintelligible crap all over the place? I'm no fan of the TTC, but even they don't deserve to be sucker punched by cowardly graffiti punks.

Hey graffiti kids: Take your frustration out on your bong, your hackey-sack, or your parents' basement where you live.

graffiti please.

Graffiti. Good graffiti, anyways.

Kyle - you're hilarious. "[Ad wraps] provide consumers information"! That's the best line ever.

Ideally, neither. But at least ads bring money into the transit system that would otherwise have to come from taxes or fare hikes. Graffiti costs money to clean up, and therefore causes higher taxes and fares.

Let's face it: 99% of graffiti is not art. Most of it is ugly, lame, and makes our city look like nobody cares about it. Those who are super talented with a spraycan can surely find a canvas or wall where they can paint with legal permission.

Uhm, the TTC only raised $13 million from ads last year. That's it! The operating budget of the TTC is about a billion dollars with most of that (around %70) coming from your fares.... I don't personally like ads on the TTC but if they wanted to get serious about raising money through advertising they'd work out another deal. Right now they're getting ripped off. Everyone and their dog knows that environmental ads like train wraps, billboards, etc. are on the rise because everyone is starting to read blogs, TIVO and iPod their way out of traditional media ads.

I wouldn't mind the ads we're already plagued by if the fare was 50 cents or a buck and ad revenue made up the rest. But it doesn't. Not by a long shot. For the contribution the ads make, we might as well not have them at all and enjoy the pristine surfaces.

When is the TTC going to realize that they have a commodity -- a million pairs of ad-seeing eyes every day -- to sell, and start demanding a price that would capitalize on that fact? I hate thinking of people that way, but I hate one-way exploitation a little more.

I declare "CAA Myth and Propaganda" on the above post.

Ads over graffiti. While I don`t want to be overrun by advertising either, seeing those streetcars and buses with ads can be cool sometime, but billboards are atrocious.
There is so much bad grafitti out there, they prevent the good ones from being given a chance to have their talent viewed in a more positive light.

GRAFFF on trains is the shit and to all the writers that have the balls to drop shit on trains.. props. In an artisti way graffiti would be realllly cool on train. to all you writers keep doin yah shit. causr your a king, peace
PS dont even try to track me thats not my email

GRAFFITI ATLEAST WHATS IN THE PICTURE!^^^^^^

fuck the adds its jus gunna get busted over wit tags neways....

Okay so your rather have a add well why its just another way that the big guys con put there name out there all the sellouts it doesnt make you think like art dose yeah isade it (art) yes graffiti is art Tags are not art though so you sol on that one + graffiti makes you think that gay pic they used to show that it wasn't art well that's a okay there's better ones out there and come on people you would probably never be able to do some thing like that with a spray can

graffiti on the outsides of subway cars died in new york a long time ago. the piece above was done illegally, and im pretty sure the person who did it got in shit for painting subway cars. obviously we cant have kids painting subway cars. nobody would want to see that.

Tagging the insides of subway cars is an excellent way for these so called "TAGGERS" to get their names up. all across the city. however, the ttc strict anti graffiti policies mean that trains get cleaned daily ( i believe!) therefore simple marker tags are useless. the only permanent solution for these kids? scratchitti. kids will write their names in the windows, this cannot be cleaned off and is far more costly. i cant remember the last time i saw a marker tag on a subway car.

as much as as i hate advertisement (especially illegal advertisements!) i really believe that it would generate more money for the ttc if they put up those WRAPS on the subway cars. or on the walls of entire stations! as long as big companies like SONY are willing to pay the big bucks i dont see the harm. even though it is an eyesore to me.

in short the ttc should not be victimized by heartless graffiti thugs. but it has become a reality that a permanent marker tag, which can be cleaned off in a few minutes, has become obsolete to these graffiti vandals who now prefer to 'get up' on the windows. which is a shame.

in short. i like graffiti but it has its place, and that is not on ttc property. if the graffiti artists were willing to pay the big bucks, okay. and if a kid does a marker tag on a bus or subway? big deal! it is the senseless destruction of windows that i find cowardly. from what i understand it costs roguhly $110 per window to replace or more. yet i hate ads, but the ttc needs the money. lets just hope the ttc spends less than the total ad revenues on cleaning graffiti up.

i guess im done my tangent. ttc is very good at removing graffiti and i commend them. and feel sorry for them as they are so frequently victimized.

aerosal artz. not graffiti, but creative expressions.

i say put the adds up. then the graffiti artists paint over the adds