May 27, 2005
He Said She Said: Less Meat, More Bite
Torontoist believes that this sudden burst of summer weather has something to do with the excitement for part three of the he said/she said Summer Dating guide. This week, we take a look at some of the city's best places to eat on a date, with a focus on both vegetarian and carnivorous diets. And what makes this post so special is that it is the guest blogging debute of Matt Blair, Torontoist's new He. While discussion "business" to get today's post ready, it was discovered that Matt had recently become vegetarian while Paige had recently switched back to eating meat. Eager to defend their dietary choices by romantic standards, we present He Said/She Said Summer Dating carnivore versus vegetarian.
And while you're reading, take a listen to Aberfeldy - "Vegetarian Restaurant." It's almost too topical.
Paige
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Call me jaded, but as someone who spent seven years keeping meat out of her diet, I can't imagine choosing to do that again. Eating animals is glorious! Sure, I do love a lot of veggie dishes, but I still feel the need to assist in everyone back to omnivorous status. Like guiding a little lost sheep back onto the path -- a path which leads to cooking him for dinner of course, yum!
But on a more sexy and less bloody note, meat makes for some of the most playful and fun dates. First of all, summer makes barbequing necessary, and with that comes some of the best and meatiest food. Stay at home for the date by turning your backyard into a private barbeque party. Nosh on a variety of things, from hamburgers to chicken wings, which can be made fresh or cooked from frozen. Tip: make sure to have lots of napkins, because no one wants to be touched with sticky fingers at the end of the night.)
You can also start the date off with a trip to The St. Lawrence Market, where the best butchers and deli meats are located. That way you can enjoy the Saturday-morning crowds, the variety of smells, and never-ending feel of the market while holding his hand and being all cutesy.
If barbequing seems a little cliché, consider a more unique type of
animal to eat. Oyster Boy is a funky and fresh restaurant with a shellfish shack basis. Let you and your date take turns with the oysters, and have him test his strength when it comes to the horseradish and hot sauce. And the best thing about oysters is that they act as an aphrodisiac -- a little extra punch to your date is always nice, isn't it?
Matt B
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When Paige asked me to write about Toronto's best vegetarian dating spots, I said, "I'm your man! You can count on me!" You see, I didn't want to risk losing my sweet new gig at Torontoist by letting her find out that I've only been a vegetarian for a few months, and that I don't know much of anything about vegetarian restaurants in Toronto. But since the cat’s out of the bag, let me try and fumble my way through this column, in the hope that it won't be my last.
All right, let’s see… The fact that basically everybody has been a vegetarian longer than I have means I can’t just barge in here and start telling everybody where to eat. But I do know a thing or two about learning the ropes, and about how difficult it can be to find a place that suits your needs when you’re just starting out. Choosing a restaurant for you and your date can be tough at the best of times, and having to choose one that also accommodates vegetarianism can make it that much tougher – especially if your date isn’t also a vegetarian. For many meat eaters, dinner with a vegetarian raises the sort of uncomfortable questions that you wouldn’t want to get into while you’re trying to impress someone.
An easy way to get around this is to choose a place that accommodates vegetarians and meat eaters alike. The Queen Mother and the Red Room are two great examples, depending on the specifics of your diet and how strict you are about them. If you’re new to your vegetarianism and still a little self-conscious about it, then restaurants like these with diverse menus are a great way to go. Chances are, your date won’t even notice that you’re not eating meat.
If you’re feeling more adventurous and decide to choose a vegetarian restaurant, go with a place that serves a good meal that the both of you can enjoy. Some friends of mine recently introduced me to Bo De Duyen, which I can’t say enough good things about. There’s also Fressen, which has a great reputation among vegans and is well worth checking out.
As always, the web is full of all kinds of great information. Sites like Veg.ca and VegDining.com can provide you with a world of options. You and your date can even use sites like these to plan ahead together, which will help you get around the mystery and discomfort that a lot of meat eaters have about vegetarianism. Get rid of the added baggage and get on with the business of dating, already.


don't be self-conscious, matt. animals are our companions, and vegetables are our friends.
The Juice for Life in the annex is date central! Actually, I've gone on a date there myself, or at least I thought it was a date?! But everytime I walk past I see tons of couples chatting about progressive causes over their vegan meals. It's almost enough to make Boy Reporter's cynical heart happy.
I've never been down to Juice for Life, but people keep telling me great things about it. I'll have to check it out sometime soon. I've already made it my resolution to check the web for something new every time I get hungry and feel like leaving the house.
I really wish people would realise how disturbingly ugly Pamela Anderson is.
to put it in perspective, hiffy, pamela anderson is older than celine dion. i'm not sure what that is suppose to mean, but i think celine is way uglier.
There's a lot of reasonably interesting veggie restaurants -- Fressen on Queen comes to mind, as well as the aforementioned Juice for Life.
As far as I'm concerned, the really interesting vegetarian restaurants are to be found in the more ethnic areas. Cafe 668 is a an excellent vegan restaurant -- numerous fake meats and vegetable dishes, with a black bean eggplant to die for. Throughout Chinatown, and amongst our Thai restaurants there are incredible options, even if not in an explicitly veg restaurant, sizeable chunks of the menu are given over to interesting vegetarian options.
I'm saving the best for last. There's some excellent vegetarian-only restaurants in Little India. Udupi Palace's chickpea curry is amazing. And throughout that whole strip you'll find pleasing dungeons of indian flavour.
That said, only Cafe 668 or Fressen would suit a first date. Save little india for when you've gotten past the awkwardness and are willing to go someplace a bit more grungy for a truly unique experience.
There's a good place at the bottom of the Hilton on richmond, Ruth's Chris Steak House - and if you pick up the bill for you and your lady friend you'll look quite big time as it's very big time prices.
Ruth's Chris Steak House?
How about Casey's, no wait, Red Lobster.
You buy that bitch an Atlantic 2 pounder and some side shrip, pay for that shit, and you'll be making squishy noises in no time, for reals, ya heard!
BIG TIME!!!!
And another thing...
Why would you vegetarians be seeking out imitation meat like it's some exotic treat. HELLO! You can just buy the real stuff. It's a hell of a lot better, plus you don't have to worry about tricking yourself every time you open your mouth. That can get tiring I'm sure.
Moreover, for every animal you kill, an angel gets its wings. It's all scientific, really.
Kill Kill Kill
yee haw,
Frankie R.
(p.s. Matt Blair you suck so far, but I want you to know that I'll be patient until you're ready)
Thanks, man. Let me know when I'm good.
And I agree about imitation meat, veggie burgers and all that stuff. Maybe it's me, but I haven't found anything out there that's any better than a substitute.
Pendostanets!